GAPS Talk with East West Healing and Performance

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Tonight at 8pm Eastern I will be discussing digestion in great depth with Josh and Jeanne Rubin from East West Healing and Performance. The show is called “Filling in all the GAPS with the GAPS Diet. It should be a very insightful session.  The Rubins really know their, ahem, shit.  You should be able to listen to it here as it goes live at 8pm Eastern.  Feel free to call in with questions, comments, or your experiences on the GAPS diet or similar protocols.  I would highly recommend listening to their past shows as well – some hardcore geek outs with Ray Peat that make any lengthy roadtrip a breeze (got one coming up soon myself! – a road trip, not an interview with Ray!).  The call-in number for the show is:  (347) 426-3546

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104 Comments

  1. How about another Ray May!

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      • Matt,
        that was a pretty emphatic no. Are you no longer interested in RP?

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        • I am interested in Ray Peat’s work. Enough to do the Metabolic Blueprint. No need for another Ray May though.

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  2. What’s PUFA? Kidding realllyyyyy lookin forward to this show

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  3. Dorky question, will this be recorded to listen to later? Thanks!

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  4. I’m listening to the insomnia episode with Lita Lee. So interesting til she talks about diet. Then it’s just confusing. She’s fairly pro-paleo.

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  5. I hope that road of yours leads to you know where. Yes, The Land of Oz.
    and also our house.
    :-)

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  6. Listening in right now – yeah!

    Been promoting this call to others – hope many people are listening it :)

    Tamara

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  7. What’s this? Revenge of the idiot chromium-deficient sugar-eating temp-takers?
    Good at extorting your money, they are…
    ;-)))

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    • Chromium, eh…?

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  8. I bet that comment won’t even make it past the subjectively-oriented moderation…
    ;-)))

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    • I’ve yet to delete a non-spam comment since I started blogging in 2006. You say whatever the f$%# you wanna say.

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  9. I call them East West Stealing…
    ;-)))

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  10. So Josh talks about someone who has been on low-carb, or whatever, when they starting eating carbs they put on weight as the cells don’t know how to use glucose, and they shouldn’t introduce them too quick….Im confused as to what the hell one should eat!? And what about yoghurt, as its a fermented food, yay or nay???

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    • You should eat carbs. And put on weight. I take the opposite approach, bombarding the cells with carbs and forcing them to figure out how to deal with them quickly. I think glucose metabolism can be improved pretty quickly. Seems to in most people.

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      • Interesting the 2 different approaches: you bombard the cells, Josh does not. Yesterday I watched Dr. Oz. I rarely watch him, but I like to see what new stuff they are saying. Well yesterday was all about metabolism, so I plopped down in the chair with a bunch of carbs and watched.

        He has a new metabolism thingy called “The Confused Diet” or something or other…. anyway, it’s a mix between you and Josh lol. For a few days, eat a load of food (well, okay, he said 2,000 calories) and then for a couple days, eat light. He says this will stimulate metabolism. Interesting! I think he was off on some things re: carbs, but still, glad some word is getting out there….

        He mentioned some supplements that help. One, in my opinion, is wrong. He had a mix of turmeric, cinnamon, and something else as a gargle. He had a woman gargle with it and said that it increases metabolism by stimulating the sympathetic nervous system, the fight or flight response. I thought, “that is not metabolism, that’s messing with the adrenals, forcing stress upon them.” Right? Why would that be called increasing metabolism?

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      • Thanks Matt. Is it normal to have symptoms, other than nausea & vomiting, like headaches, random rashes/itchy skin, stomach aches, groggy head (mucous, inflamed sinus’ etc)??? Thinkin of tryin RBTI…

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  11. You didnt mention autism. I waited the whole time to hear something about it since the diet was created for autistic children!

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      • Hey Matt,

        Loved listening to your inputs on the show. I think I will stay your follower :-)
        Your advice has really brought me full circle back to better health. Full disclosure: I am vegetarian and mainly consume vegetable, breads, fruit and dairy,
        health has slowly improved and the main symptom of that has been reduced colds and sinus infections. I did gain a lot of weight with RRARF but I’m slowly coming down. My sleep has been better with the increased salt and sugar and less water, temps are up, PMS is reduced, menstruation cycle is 28- 30 days.
        My mind is zen :-) which could also be the yoga I’m doing and overall doing things that make me happy.
        I don’t crave chocolate at all which used to be an issue for me, in fact the other day I bought a cup of chocolate ice cream but ended up throwing it out because I could not eat it.
        So all in all, I’m feeling better.
        Now the last few things I’m dealing with are -the weight gain, body aches and pain esp. knees and premature grey ( vanity!)
        I look forward to your continued experimentation and education.
        Thank you!

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      • I have been reading it since you posted it for me on facebook a week or two ago! Thanks but wtf thanks for complicating life :P Still how the heck do you use your eating strategies for an autistic child or even a child with food allergies that reacts developmentally?!?!?!?! I want to find someone who can tell me with pure confidence! Oh and that TRH test – dont know how id feel about injecting synthetic thyroid into my 2 yr old son. Please promise me you’ll keep delving into this topic!

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        • I would start by keeping him from peeing clear. See what effect that simple change has.

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  12. Hi Matt, I listened in and it was awesome info. Thanks! I just found your website a couple months ago. After I did, I started compulsively taking my temperature. What I found is that it is very low (95-96s) but what really disturbs me is that my 11 month old daughter averages at 96.8. I don’t even know where to start with her – I’ve heard that babies can’t digest grains. What do you say to that? I want to get her on the right track. Can you point me in the right direction? Thanks again!

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    • Her metabolism should basically mimic yours, especially if you have been breastfeeding her. I would get her some good goat’s milk or high-quality ice cream and see how she likes that. Coconut milk would be great too. Not tons, but a little would be good – like a yam puree with coconut milk added or something like that. I wouldn’t chuck a bunch of grains down her gullet either. Mashed potatoes and some white rice or perhaps quick-oat oatmeal, but wouldn’t rush into those. Fruit should be excellent, but keep an eye on urine concentration. If it gets too clear, no bueno. And that can happen with the high water content of fruit.

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    • @ Melissa. Weston Price Found claims an infant lacks the enzymes (amylase?) to break down grains. After a year old the grains should be properly prepared by soaking them for 24 hours to make them more digestible.

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  13. I’ve always suspected that when I stopped being a vegetarian of nearly 17 years, I did it too quickly and my digestive system couldn’t handle all the meat. This is when I started having indigestion, bloating, and gas, and my face started breaking out like never before. Josh really confirmed what happened for me with the lack of HCl acid and overgrowth of bacteria, inflammation, etc. I went on a very-low-sugar/carb diet and took herbal anti-fungals and probiotics, which helped my skin, but obviously didn’t fix my digestive issues. That was about 5 years ago, and I’m just now fixing a 2 year long battle with gluten sensitivity. I think I am noticing that my reaction is worse when I take probiotics. Very interesting! Great podcast, guys!

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    • Do you still need the HCL?

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  14. Great podcast, really appreciated explanations for how everything is connected and focusing only on the gut is not enough. However, still waitiing for an answer as to whether Dr. McBride’s assertion that people with leaky guts are across the board unable to digest starches is the absolute truth–it was unclear if the Rubin’s agree with her because they also discussed that the villi are damaged and seemed to recommend eating potatoes (which I eat, leaky gut and all)…

    Id be interested in working with them to tweak my diet as my body seems to hate all the supplements I try to heal, yet hesitant that its going to be too Peat focused???

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  15. Matt -

    Can you explain what you guys were talking about re: collagen? I have very low HCI – 2 yrs ago, couldn’t digest anything – got on HCI and could eat some meats, but not much (was never a vegetarian or anything, just body so stressed from all the mercury in it, I think).

    So, I am eating very little meats, rarely desire them and when I do eat them, I don’t think I am digesting them well.

    You guys talked about broth and collagen. I make homemade gelatin from chicken bones. What do I do for a collagen supplement?

    And if I’m not going to eat much in the meats departments (like muscle), am I giving my body a break or worsening my situation and not going to be able to make the acid one day well enough?

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    • I don’t think you need many meats. But hopefully you can rebuild enough digestive mojo to digest them properly. Eggs and dairy products are sufficient for most people if you really can’t pull off the meat. I certainly don’t eat meat every day. As for the collagen, gelatin contains the amino acids in collagen. It is, in a way, a collagen supplement.

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  16. Lot’s of good info in the call. Josh and Jeanne have a really good big-picture view of health. I agree with their approach of bringing in the carbs in a slower fashion, or at least at a pace that is in agreement with the body’s wants. I really liked the example of the “eating a quarter of an apple” and building from there. When I jumped full speed ahead into the High Everything Diet right after I finished with my final low-carb stint, I did more harm than good.

    They do seem to be a bit obsessed with the Peat diet though, and as a result they throw entire concepts out the window and ignore the potential benefits of things like probiotics and grains.

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  17. Does Josh recommend high HCL dosage? I need about 15 per meal to digest anything….and amounts less than that cause digestive issues! I want to get off of HCL and digest on my own, but having trouble bridging that gap

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    • Hi Louise!

      I’ve been taking cat’s claw bark (Nature’s Way) and it’s ended crazy acid indigestion very quickly. I think it’s better to take the dried herb than drink the tea–something about the intestines getting the compounds from the herbs when they’re broken down there. I used to drink the tea which didn’t feel nearly as effective (and of course was a pain in terms of crashing my sugars.)

      Have noticed lots of other improvements with that tiny addition to the whole ETF and get lots of sleep plan.

      Also, I really want to give a shout out to you Matt Stone. Just did my second consultation and the stuff we talked about in terms of my probs with cortisol and improvements have been quick. I have tons more energy. Also, my bf who has quit smoking and having wicked IBS was helped a lot. The cat’s claw has calmed down his IBS symptoms a lot too–it’s just been a couple of days.

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      • Hi Karen

        Do you think the cat’s claw bark would help gas and bloating. Also, do you take capsules, if so, how many per day?

        Thanks in advance. :)

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        • Hi. Yeah, I take capsules of the bark (not extractions). I think it would help gas and bloating a lot. That was another prob I was too shy to mention. I’ve been much less gassy and my mid tummy bloat is going down (as is after meal bloating).

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          • Thanks for replying Karen. Just another question – how many capsules do you take per day?

            Cheers

          • I’m just making sure I’m taking the capsules with meals. I use Solaray brand and take 2-3 with every meal. I may tinker with lowering the dosage eventually, but it’s helping so much at this dose, I’m not going to worry about it.

          • Ok great. Thanks heaps :)

  18. I kinda laughed when he mentioned the pop tart not doing anything good for metabolism…that’s been my taboo food lately. It actually has really hit the spot for some reason (was an old favorite back in the day). Hey, it’s an organic one…

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  19. Just finished the podcast all the way through. Wow. Big thank you to the Rubin’s. I liked the part where you guys distinguished the difference between and specified program like GAPS and a more holistic one like Peat’s for example. However I like the 180 way best.

    For those of you who are thinking of trying the broth I suggest you do this:
    Make the broth in your crockpot
    Then COOK OFF a considerable amount of the water!

    You will be left with a more concentrated gelatin that you can benefit from without consuming too much water along with it :). Wouldn’t want anyone peeing too much now would we :p

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    • Just something I was always curious about? Is gelatin this wobbly/gooey stuff that can be found in broth? And if so,I was wondering if gelatin is high in fat or not?cause there seem to be contrasting information regarding this?

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      • Yep its the wobbly stuff :) GELATIN is a protein. BROTH is a whole food that CAN BE high in fat. So, to get rid of the fat, cool the broth in the fridge and the fat will rise to the top after a few hours and you can discard it :)

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        • Thanx 4 the explanation:)
          One more question though…..how do you cook off the liquid like you suggested? (And then put the pan in the fridge,so I can scoop off the hardened fat?)

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          • Well its a friggin process to be honest. The only way I’ve done it is to :
            Make the broth
            Cool it and skim off the fat
            Then ,later, cook at a low heat and let some of the water evaporate.

            My understanding is that “traditionally” more concentrated sauces or gravy had this gelatin as a component. Specifically French cooking. Also keep in mind that if you make a broth correctly with a lot of animal feet or whatever it should completely turn to jello in the fridge (with the fat still rising to the top) and just having a small amount like a small bowl of soup a couple times a day with some other dry food might be sufficient?

          • Thanks for explaining this – I haven’t been able to eat broth because I don’t do well with a high water content. I didn’t even think of boiling it down and making gravy.

  20. Hi Matt I want to hear what your opinion is on taking progesterone? Ray Peat loves the stuff, says there are no side effects and will cure anything from cancer to MS to mood swings. I’m very skeptical about messing with hormones, even one that supposedly can do only good. I think we don’t know enough about steroid sex hormones yet. What is your opinion? Should autistic children, those with depression or anxiety, those with low metabolism or other ” minor ” health concerns just rub in some progesterone cream?

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    • I wouldn’t use progesterone. It might help with some conditions, but I wouldn’t expect any miracles.

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  21. Just when I thought I was done listening to nutrition podcasts!! :). Been following this blog and snarfing carbs for a few months now. Temps are increasing. Both myself and my kids seem on the road to recovery from low-carb. Curious symptom we are having is dry/chapped/burning skin above and around the mouth. Is this a sign of healing or a nutritional deficiency or what?? Thanks for your input! Pam

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    • I sometimes get that from eating fruit and drinking juice. Seems to be mouth irritation and it is usually very temporary – like if I haven’t had fruit for a while and eat a juicy mango I’ll get it for a couple of days and then it will clear. Let me know if it continues to bother you.

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      • It comes and goes but seems more persistent lately. Happened right away when started eating starches. We haven’t changed any of our juice or fruit habits. I can’t find it in your comments but someone else also mentioned burning lips as a symptom when transitioning. I am just surprised it continues to happen and don’t know exactly what it is. I will still try and find the comment. Searched “burned lips” but didn’t find it.

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  22. Do you think there’s a time when food allergies can cause thyroid issues/adrenal fatigue? Or is it usually the other way around (like you guys were talking about)? It does seem like considerable improvement can be made by avoiding allergens, thus stressing the adrenals less, but I’m just wondering what causes what. My son had an undiagnosed IGE milk and beef allergy presumably since birth, but I assume he also inherited my issues, and it caused a domino effect. Just trying to understand the root cause so that I can better understand correcting it. Thanks! : )

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    • It’s definitely a 2-way street. Allergies do often keep temps suppressed. Raising temps often suppresses allergies. You just have to play around with it freely and see what you can make work. The minimum number of dietary restrictions the better.

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  23. Thought this was funny…Sisson talking about the best primal food to get pregnant…like grassfed dairy products and cage-free egg yolks…some guy wrote this comment I found amusing:

    “This is brilliant. Only if this article could be posted everywhere for parents-to-be to see. It kills me that families still think bread, oatmeal, cereal, pastries, pancakes/waffles, spaghetti/macaroni, etc. are the norm for a healthy diet. People should really open their damn eyes. Great article, none-the-less.”

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    • OMG. I can’t believe people eat carbs! Open your Fruckin’ eyes man! The Illuminati eat zero carb, duh!

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  24. I see several comments here on drinking less fluids. Be careful is all I can say. Recently I was trying this and have ended up with a nasty UTI that spread to my kidneys (I have never had this happen before). The best preventive, I am being told: drink more water!

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    • Contrary to common belief, Urinary Tract Infections (UTI) are contracted mostly through external means such as sex – more commonly through oral sex – and touching genitals with fingers, other body parts, and objects.

      Drinking more water is not “preventative” against UTIs. But… drinking several glasses of water (distilled is best) over a 12 hour period will usually flush out the infection. Especially if you do it at first sign of discomfort while urinating and in the genital area in general.

      Repeat the next 1-2 days if needed but don’t drink water/fluids ALL day long. Too much water WILL weaken your body’s immune system and thus its ability to defeat the infection.

      Amy, I recall you mentioning recently that you have a new boyfriend. I would wager that your UTI was contracted during all that NEW sex you’ve been having :)

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      • Haha you may be right about that!

        Interesting about drinking water at the first sign of issues. I did not do that. Also, my dr prescribed cipro. Has anyone here had any experience with that? I’m leery of antibiotics in general, and this one always sounds especially scary. But, not sure what else to do once you have a kidney infection.

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        • Try grapefruit seed extract instead.

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        • Amy, at the first sign of a bladder infection scarf some Vit C and some D-Mannose. You can also take the Mannose as a preventative. I’m not sure it will work once it gets to the kidney infection stage though. I think you need abx for that! But in the future do the Mannose, it’s really amazing.

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          • Thanks, I can try that next time. I don’t ever want to have one of these again so a preventive would be good!

    • Hmmm….it seems the denser the food,the more I need to drink or else it will just sit there like a thick brick wall and doesn’t digest at all. I also get very dry skin:)
      Though the excessive fluid helps with circulation eventually,it does make my stomach swell/balloon up…..which doesn’t feel great either,makes me feel nauseous&overly full (either way with or without fluid) and like not eating anything for the coming 6weeks or so. And my lower back hurts.

      Btw, am I the only one who doesn’t feel great at all when temps rise? makes me sometimes feel lethargic,depressed or anxious/OCD. Anyone else have/recognize this? :s

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      • If you’re just starting to get your temps up, I would wager it may be normal to not feel so great when they rise. I know when I’ve gotten mine up quite a bit from an especially hearty meal, I’ve actually ended up with a migraine. Definitely not pleasant. I think my body just isn’t used to all the circulation, so I’ll get hives in my hands, and will sometimes get some anxiety/restless legs going on, but that should go away I expect once my body gets used to higher temps and more circulation. But all that is nothing compared to what I went through when I tried GAPS! :)

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        • Taking in a few extra fluids when those overkill symptoms arise can help fend off the migraines and other problems, like pounding heart beat. I imagine you will sort it out in due time though.

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  25. Hey Matt,

    On the subject of water, do you think people with anatomical differences should drink more water. My son in particular has an ileostomy and doesn’t absorb as much fluid from his colon. I know a good amount of h20 is absorbed in the small lintestines, but from seeing it myself he does lose out on a good bit of water from observing the output. Usually it is watery or muddy/applesauce at best.

    Also, when people discover they have h pylori and bad bugs, do you think they should try the herbal routes or even antibiotics, but keep I the supposed evil foods like starch as high as they can?

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    • I haven’t considered anatomical differences. Your best judgment I’m sure is the right way to deal with it.

      As for h. pylori and chronic infection, I do think metabolism can be cranked up, immune system vigilance dramatically improved – including more leukocytes, secretory IGA as Josh and Jeanne discussed, increased HCL secretion (which kills off h. pylori) and other changes should be the first line of defense. Then alternatives can be sought out. My girlfriend had a serious oral infection of nearly a decade clear up in 6 weeks for example. And by clear up I mean gone. As in gone, gone.

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  26. Hi Matt,
    So I have been re-feeding and carbing (whole oatmeal is my favorite at the moment) and having a grand time… and gaining weight! AH! I have not been weighing myself which is helpful and makes me happy, but my pants are for sure tight. I am tempted to do the whole low carb drop weight thing, but NO I am not going there! My temps are up I am nice and toasty, I feel great, I sleep great.. I even want to exercise. So now what? Do I buy bigger pants and figure this is it? Or do I just keep eating the food and the weight will adjust itself? I promised myself this is the Year of No Diets. I am giving myself the whole year (hopefully my whole life) to let my body do what it needs.
    Thanks Matt, you ROCK.
    Emma

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    • You’ll be fine I think. Sounds like your body is functioning better, and if you keep at it and use that food and strong metabolism to fuel some good physical exercise, continued on a long-term consistent basis with a lot of self-care a la sleep and food, you’ll be liking how you look next year and beyond a lot better than you would have if you hadn’t gone through this process. But be patient and make sure you get past these diets forever.

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  27. What did she do? Do you think a good approach is just consistent eating, sticking to more tolerable and easily digested foods (potatoes, white rice, some fruits, healthy oils, saturated fats, etc). I feel much better with higher carbs but do notice that I can keep digestive symptoms at bay by staying on maintanence doses of things like berberine, oil of oregano, mastic gum, etc. so maybe keep doing those while continuing to eat in aims of improving metabolism, while working on lifestyle as well (sleep, stress, etc)?

    I am also confused on what the rubins stances are on particular carbs. I know they like easily digested peat friendly things like ok, certain tropical fruits, etc. Do they usually like potatoes/sweet potatoes/yams (I know they like root veggies and generally don’t favor grains).

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    • I am eating pineapple, bananas, etc, but what type of ther sugars do you think I should play with re introducing to help with cell metabolism and do you think it is always a good idea to pair up fruit with starch? I even tolerate oats and quinoa flakes well when paired with bananas, kiwi, pineapple, etc, in a shake.

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  28. maple syrup perhaps :)

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  29. Matt,
    I guess this was an interesting talk, but I dunno maybe I was listening to a different pod-cast cause all I heard was “don’t eat beans, they raise cortisol; don’t eat fermented foods they make you estrogen dominant; lettuce is indigestible; eat meat, don’t eat meat; corn will facilitate an adrenaline inducing miasma of endotoxic bacteria in your gut, it will make you look act and feel prematurely old. Pretty much stop eating all of your dietary staples, they will kill you.
    But, seriously I do have terrible symptoms of low and high cortisol, heart palps, sub-clinical svt insomnia, mind-numbing daytime fatigue. Had adrenal testing last year low all day high at night so far I haven’t found anything that alleviates these symptoms, although thanks to rrarf I have basically been able to get temps up to mid 98s though they’re somewhat unstable, would I benifit from eliminating some foods, even though I basically feel like I can tolerate them without much distress? OK fine beans give me a bit of gas, is this as deleterious a the Rubins make it sound.

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    • Would love to hear a reply to this too, from another Crystal :)

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    • Christal – As you have probably observed, I like to focus on the things that can yield huge improvements with very little change, and leave the remaining 20% to the others to fight over. I wouldn’t eliminate foods unless I had to. That is a last resort if you ask me, not a first line of defense. You peeing frequently with clear urine? Or have you gotten beyond that already?

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      • Oh yeah, my body has the miraculous ability to summon a clear stream even when I haven’t been drinking. Needless to say I’ve dramatically cut back liquids in the past month or so, and cut out water completely about 3 days ago after having some sort of weird emotional meltdown, where I had to have like 16 oz.(actually I’m salivating just writing this, mmm water), of course I calmed down, and woke up, and spent the rest of the night talking myself out of drinking more, and peeing like ever 15 min. I did order a refractometer yesterday, though I know I don’t have the will to do the full rbti program right now. Anyway I’ve been drinking some milk with meals (for some reason I can’t drink milk when I’m not thirsty so its a good physiological gauge of real thirst, water on the other hand, I can always drink) and a bit of juice like 6oz. twice a day, though I think this may still be too much, the only time I have color in my urine is first thing in the morning.

        But really come on beans raise cortisol.

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        • Haha. More salt will help. Ice cream is a good “drink” too for some people. Seriously though, salt will probably take you the rest of the way down the yellow piss road.

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  30. Hi Christal. Are you my sister from another Mister? Had those same exact symptoms. Consulting with Matt has really paid off. I’m really working on getting enough sleep. If I don’t, (because I’m able to) I’m taking a nap after breakfast. That’s helped a ton. I’ve been humming along (frickin finally–can I swear on comments?)

    One other huge thing I finally surrendered to was not drinking — pretty much anything–in the morning. Nothing really til lunch. Just a couple ounces in the morning of something sweet in order to take supplements. It’s helped an incredible amount. At and after lunch I drink fluids steadily-with a bit of a spike at meal times. This week’s been great.

    In general, if you have the moolah (although Matt’s so workable if you have limited funds anyway), it’s really worth the call to work with Matt directly. It may take a few sessions to get him caught up, there’s so much to this health puzzle. But after an hour and a half he’s helped me and my honey so so much.

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    • Yeah, a consultation is probably inevitable, though for the time being I’m allocating my resources toward Hometown Buffet and IHOP, I’ve got big-time kitchen burnout. This liquid thing is huge for me, its funny I went to the doctor last spring complaining of weakness, and vertigo, and I swear to god, he told me, “you need to drink more water.”
      “but, I drink tons of water, I can’t stop, I think I have diabetes insipidus or something”
      “that’s ridiculous, you need electrolytes, you should be drinking at least a quart of Gatorade a day.”
      Anyways, I’m glad you’re getting some relief, with similar problems, makes me think I’m on the right track.

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  31. Does anyone have any issues with acne when following a Ray Peat style of eating? i.e. Dairy(mostly raw milk from a local farmer), O.J., coconut oil etc.. That is not only what I eat but it is included everyday.
    I don’t even think it is acne really, more like a rash on my forehead and skin below my eyes on the sides of my nose. The skin is really dry and there are lots of little red bumps and it kind of itches.
    I don’t have skin problems anywhere else on my body.
    I thought maybe I needed to add some more Vitamin A to my eating so I added some turkey liverwurst which has 380% of Vit. A per serving but that has seemed to help very little.

    Thanks,
    Scott

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    • That sounds more like a yeasty candida-like reaction. Has it been a while since you’ve eaten a lot of sugar? I have triggered something similar to what you describe on my butt while eating truly excessive amounts of fruit before. That was fun. But mine didn’t “kind of” itch. It was more like intense itching on par with poison ivy.

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      • Depends on what you mean by a lot of sugar. This started last year around Thanksgiving and hasn’t let up since. That coincides with more sugar consumption with all the treats, pies, ice cream etc… I have always eaten some sugar in the form of post workout carb drinks(anywhere from 50 to 100 grams) but not much fruit and certainly no fruit juice.

        Since Thx Giving I have been eating 1 or 2 pieces of fruit per day. For breakfast I usually eat some cooked oats with 2 dates and some maple syrup with a glass of milk. I swapped out my post workout carb drink with cereal(a lot of) mixed with honey(probably a couple tablespoons) and/or maple syrup and a little bit of extra protein mixed with the milk. I’ll have 1 glass of fruit juice usually OJ. I have also been eating more starchy carbs such as potatoes, rice, oats. Certainly more sugar but not a lot I don’t think. Maybe just enough to cause this reaction.

        I wish my problem was on my butt rather than my face/forehead. I have had to use some cortisone cream to keep it a bay somewhat. It looks pretty bad at times. I also have a little discoloration at the very end of my toe and finger nails which I have been told is caused by yeast infection for which I could get a prescription. If this is a yeasty candida reaction, what is the best way to handle it? Should I go to the doc and get an anti candida prescription so I can kill off some excessive candida?

        Thanks

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        • Just FWIW: I had a really bad rash on my behind and thighs, itched like crazy, had me in tears often. I thought it was a sugar problem and cut it out, and improved, so I thought that was the connection, but as it happened, I quiit gluten around the same time. Now I’m back o sugar, fruti, etc. and the rash gradually shrank to nothing.

          I think Matt is really smart in advising as few food restructions as possible, I just got such great returns from giving up gluten (including improved thyroid tests and no more arthritic pain on damp days – probably both issues, plus the rash, were autoimmune) that I thought I’d mention it.

          Good luck with this.

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          • Ugh, excuse all the typos, dumb iPad keyboard.

  32. Hey Matt this own directly related to his entry. Where do things like cod liver oil fit on your intuitive eating plan? In the winter this is obviously one of he only choices of vit d. But I’ve never craved it even when I was tested as deficient and I had an entire bottle in my fridge of unflavored stuff. It was as gross as ever.

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    • I would not take cod liver oil. You won’t see me going anywhere near that stuff.

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      • Can I ask why you feel that way about cod liver oil? ie, the green pastures fermented kind?

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        • I am also interested in what’s wrong with green pastures fclo? A lot of people are reacommending it including your friend from Cheeseslave. I heard that a lot of people had success when combining it with high vitamin butter oil with healing cavities? Is there anything else that you would suggest to solve that problem?

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        • Cod liver oil is gross and I suspect taking in large quantities of omega 3 like that can do some damage due to the tremendous instability of the oil itself. It degrades in the body much faster.

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          • Personally, I think there are some benefits to CLO. My parents were given it as children and neither needed braces and both have been in good health as adults. I don’t know if adults need to be taking it, but it’s pretty time-tested for kids.

          • What about teeth? Is there alternative to fclo and hvbo that can help you remineralize your teeth? And why did Weston A. Price recommend it for everybody? Ok, he said to take only half teaspoon 2-3 times a day along with high vitamin butter oil to prevent negative effects.

          • Perhaps eating liver few times a week is enough!

  33. Keep in mind when you work with Josh Rubin (I have been since April 2011) he is very person-specific in his recommendations. For instance probiotics might be part of what has worked fo you in the past to get your gut back online, but he wouldn’t recommend using them long term as they can cause inflammation in the gut. Grains are not eliminated 100% for life but he may recommend cutting way back on them if you’re not digesting them well. Very rarely will he say “don’t ever eat that.” There are foods to avoid and foods to eat lots of.

    I don’t think I would say you have to pick Josh Rubin or Matt Stone as one to follow. They both have valuable things to say. It’s more important to find what works for you and to be open to being ‘wrong’ and going back to the drawing board like Wile E. Coyote to look for another approach. If you look at Josh’s older videos on youtube you see how he’s changed his tune on things such as sugar. Matt changes his tune quite a bit. Very Wile E. of him.

    Great Lakes sells a gelatin powder that says “collagen supplement” in big friendly letters on the front of the container. It’s easy to stir it into drinks rather than cook bones down for 5 hours. I do love bone broth. My farmer’s wife makes bone broth. I buy it from them. I call it Jiggle Broth.

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  34. Don’t know where else to post this, (and I know some like to talk about poop here;)), but does anyone recognize this.

    Mostly I experience constipation and/or normal stool…..however today,for some reason I haven’t figured out yet, I experienced diarrea. Which doesn’t happen a lot…..but whenever it does,I feel so awesome afterwards,even in contrast to normal bowel movement(which sometimes can leave me tired)! My spirit lifts and I can think more rational,I feel energized&like working out and not feel like eating ever again bc I want to keep that ‘good feeling/mood&energy! Yet when I walk around food,I see myself looking at it,but simultaneously not wanting it in order to maintain that feeling/vibe!

    Anyone any similar experience?

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  35. I’m lost on the ray peat recommendations you’re making. If I drink oj and eat fat my hands will literally be shaking and this is coming from someone who has done 80-10-10. I just don’t get it. Maybe it’s good for the thyroid but it’s raher obvious to me that if I follow my hunger tans. Idiot cravings that I will soon

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    • Pay for it shortly after in not feeling good for a few hours. And this is why I got into dieting. Because I’m trading that instants nous pleasure of eating desired foods for the clean energy I get for the hours following.

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    • Autofix changed some of that. I meant if I follow my hunger and cravings

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    • You do realize that you don’t need to eat that much fat, right?

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  36. Hi Matt, I came to 180 degree after the typical process of sabotaging my health after trying both the raw vegan and paleo diet. I just completed my first week of rrarfing and my mental fatigue has improved greatly which seems to indicate that the brain does love glucose a lot more than ketones! Next I hope to regain my sound sleep sometime soon.

    A friend had warned me that paleo/raw diets are fad diets and now I am being told the same thing about rrarfing – hopefully I am right this time around :) Could you please help me with the following:

    a) I have noticed my heartbeat has become much more noticeable especially when I am lying down. I was trying to find the reason and found the following link: http://www.ajcn.org/content/52/4/602.full.pdf. I am no scientist, so I skipped to page 607 which indicates a rapid increase in heartbeat when overfeeding. Does raised metabolism mean a faster heartbeat? An elevated heartbeat for a month during rrarfing doesn’t sound ideal :(

    b) You have written about Santa Schulze whose stuff I regularly consumed in my raw vegan experiment. Whats your take on herbs like ginseng ? I have noticed a faster heartbeat when taking them as well but it does give a good amount energy without as much of a crash and digestive distress as with coffee.

    Thanks! Narain

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    • Yes, you really want your resting heart rate to increase, and you want it beating harder too. These are both signs of increased metabolic rate. Unless of course you are just taking a stimulant to increase your heart rate, which will atrophy the thyroid gland. No thoughts about ginseng, but not opposed to it outright.

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  37. I started drinking less water and feel like it coincides with being constipated. I am also 4 1/2 months prego but still, what’s a blocked up girl to do??

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    • I had this problem too, but fruit was the solution. I think it’s the fermentation of excess, undigested fructose that loosened up the stool.

      And, also a probiotic works, or perhaps kefir is enough.

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  38. That was a good show. I love my Great Lakes Gelatin, and have started buying it in 10lb bags. I take 1-2 tablespoons of it a day, and I find that I crave muscle meat MUCH less when I’m taking gelatin.

    I wonder about people with elite genetics and “ideal” metabolic expression… Can they exercise intensely and keep a high metabolic rate?

    I’d also like to find a way to stimulate maximum mitochondria energy production via exercise. I’m delving into some theories about that at the moment.

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