Nutrition Minutiae Got Ya Down?

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By Rob Archangel, 180DegreeHealth.com staff writer

Hey everyone- know how y’all think Matt is crazy for suggesting that fast food can be the ticket to health for some people?  That in the right context, junk food really can be therapeutic? Here‘s an elaboration on some of that, and why many people can’t see the forest for the trees. Kendahl at  Our Nourishing Roots is featuring Matt in a guest post entitled ‘Nutrition Minutia Got Ya Down?’ Go check it out and see if Matt really has lost his marbles, or if he’s still playing with a full deck.

Also, on or around Tuesday of next week, Matt will share the conclusions of the McXsperiment and some great video footage. And early next week I’ll have some thoughts to share about autism as well.  Have fun this weekend, friends.

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  2. On a totally different subject…Do you or Matt have any theories about teen acne and how to lessen it? I’d love to be able to help my son out. :o)

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    • Hey Stephanie- I don’t have much insight. Knock on wood- that was never a big challenge for me like for others I went to school with.

      I do remember Matt writing in a comment somewhere that acne was just vexing for him, and that he’s had much better success with seemingly tougher issues like seizures. Matt- when you’re back in internet-land, chime in if you got anything, bud!

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      • We’ve noticed that Min-Col helps clear things up for a few weeks, but then the acne comes back – even while staying on the Min-Col.

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    • On a pharmaceutical note, Acne.org’s (danielkern.com) regimen SERIOUSLY, works. Diet and lifestyle and lots of other factors play a role, and sometimes once the fire starts, it’s hard to put it out. I’ve even used colloidal silver creams. If your son isn’t allergic to benzoyl peroxide (says to try on a patch of skin somewhere, yada yada) it should work. All it takes, is dedication. 2 times a day (you can also use AHA, glycolic acid, which acne.org’s is the shit, in conjuction) you wash your face very gently with their cleanser or gentle cetaphil etc…put on the medicine super gently, let it dry COMPLETELY, then apply their moisturizer, its the shit, or neutrogena sensitive is alllright..pry some other stuff that’s good too but is probably very expensive. It must be done slowly, the skin can overdry and really be bothersome, but don’t give up. If it gets too dry just moisturize and don’t use any medicine for a couple days or what have you. This dude is from San Francisco, super nice dude, super quality products (the best benzoyl IMO) and I’ve been using it off and on since I was 17. It literally has saved my life.

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    • And don’t just think you can go get any ol benzoyl and have the same results, others are way more harsh. Even neutrogenas 2.5% can give you a little bit of hell, and is outrageously expensive to use. southpole_89@yahoo.com for any questions. And it doesnt happen over night. You gotta follow directions, watch his videos, sometimes acne is brought to the surface as well and maybe appear to be getting worse, but with this medicine being absorbed into the skin and left alone, it’s almost impossible to get worse.

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      • Bob Dean, I noticed your comments on chief’s blog as well. I wish you the best as you seem like a nice guy trying to figure things out. But the bottom-line is that NOBODY knows what works. So doubt everything and do your own thing. I look forward to Chiefs post’s as well but am realistic and do not expect any miracles. We are all different – if you are looking to fix health problems, then the 180 approach is great initially for diet recovery. If you are looking for (cosmetic) weight loss then Mark’s daily apple or Mercola might be a better fit.

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        • Yes Narain you’re right everyone is different. I’m not following anyone’s prescription to the T, and their prescription isn’t that specific to begin with. I am trying to be intuitive at most, and what I do believe is that I’m a big dude that needs lots of food, good rest, and that a lot of my health issues have gotten much better in doing so. I have a big testimonial type deal in a comment from the Free Ebook post. Matt should be putting this elsewhere once he gets the time. The acne regimen I provide is not intended to provide any health benefits, it’s only cosmetic, but sometimes people including myself really need something else to help out. Go read how many thousands of people use the stuff =) A lot of the time the stress involved with trying to figure out what is causing the acne for me made it worse and my health worse, and my body cold. I want Chief to give more information because I think he’s a part of the puzzle to figuring out how to destroy stress hormones and if what he says an actually be done, sounds pretty “bad ass” as he would say =)

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          • Hey Bob Dean,I really like your way of thinking and relevating saying about yourself you’re a ‘big guy who needs a lot of food’ and be comfortable with it.:) (Though I can’t imagine from your weightdescription what that might look like)

            You seem like a cool person to hang out with. Good for you that most of your health issues seem to have disappeared. I wish I could get away with some of the stuff that some people seem to be able to get away with healthwise.
            Good luck with your quest!

          • Thanks Dutchie, I’m a little under 6’6” and my body composition is continually changing as I eat a lot. More muscle now than fat, so I’m startin to look like a big strong, kinda chubby dude. Not as big as a football player or anything yet. I work in metal recycling and I’ve been purposely kind of choosing the hard way to do things so to speak, and once my body gets used to that I’m probably going to get kettlebells and battle ropes. I don’t want to be Brock Lesnar or anything hahahaha but I will and already am kind of intimidating =P

          • A big intimidating guy…..for some reason I’m picturing you now as Bane from The Dark Knight Rises:p

            I really admire you strenght&recklessness regarding it all,no fear of failure towards yourself or ‘the outer world’ and being happy&optimistic…..at least that’s how your posts come across.
            Here I am,stressing about macro’s/quantities etc., going to make myself having to eat 3square meals Paleo a day,how to manage it all regarding the prepping&cooking,OCD exercise tendencies being underweight yet fearing I’ll keep on having food issues/derailing etc. I really couldnt handle the thought anymore of not doing anything,so I joined the gym again and want to start a Stronglifts kinda program,though I’m really at kiddy weights(just the empty barbell for squats and even less on the other machines….they actually ‘advised’ me I should stick with that for about 4weeks) and in my head still can’t flip the switch that 15minutes 3 times a week ‘is enough’ regarding exercise…I really feel the tendency to work-out 5/6days a week,partly out of fear,though I don’t know what I should do the other 3days…..and my body’s probably gonna even come back with a greater vengeance since it’s underweight:s
            The issues that keep haunting my head regarding the macro’s the former regular dietician ‘calculated’ for me,Sisson’s adversed views etc.

            I wish I had someone like you nearby to hold my hand for reassurance as pathetic as it sounds. Do you make your own meals as you say you need a lot of food? It also sounds like you have a physical demanding job already so no need for you to Kettlebell soon unless you really want to.:)
            You should also keep a site,just like this one and Chief’s where you can ultimately share your triumph with the world.:)

          • In the future if I succeed I probably will have a website where I share everything. I’m pretty bad about documenting things though to be honest. It probably will turn out, that I will get fat on purpose like Chief did and redo the whole scenario but this time doing a full documentation. I haven’t been over eating as much as I’ve said because I can’t afford to be any hotter at work, but yes I do cook, and eat out too. I’ll have chipotle’, chinese foods, white rice always though, never fried, but I could if I wanted. (I avoid tons of sauce, and only get fried stuff when I’m really cravin it, but I’ll take vitamin E with that) Today I just had chocolate milk, nesquik, an whole milk, ya ya, carageenan, synthetic vitamin D, whatever, I see alcoholics and meth people who have more hair than me so what’s the difference haha (mixed with this green smoothie stuff I bought, you know the screw buying a vitamix kind of deal hehe, some rice with butter and cream cheese, umm, chicken drum sticks, vitamin E with that (just kinda started takin vitamin E if I have unsaturated fats) and consider it cheating whatever, but I seen some snickers mini ice cream bars and said shit, that’ll hold me over while I shop =) I eat processed stuff and whole foods too. Some days I am exhausted and crave extremely calorie dense stuff and other times I want sweet potatoes, white potatoes, steak, and what have you. I like incorporating a lot of Kurt Harris’s view on what foods we should be consuming the most a lot of the time as well. But hey, if I want to eat a whole big tray of cheese danish in one sitting, and some taco pizza, then by golly I’m gonna do it, and it’s gonna be freaking awesome. Dude, I’ve been there with you, and probably what helped me was desperation because I absolutely had to figure out how not to pass out at work first of all, and I’ve always known about Matt Stone ever since I heard him on Sean Croxtons blogtalkradio. I find myself feeling guilty for relaxing too much to this day, but I catch myself. After all, resting is when our testosterone and all the good stuff happens. Gotta go to bed now though, I am holding your hand buddy.

          • Like ive mentioned several times,i unfortunately cant get aeay with it without lots of physical&mental disturbances and also the fact i actually cant afford it. I still am cursed with the fact that everything i like is detrimental to me,so its unfortunately about staying lean here:(
            Btw,im no dude but a dudette;)

          • Sorry Dutchie, forget the whole dude stuff and testosterone =) I don’t have time to say much, but I wish you the best of luck, and just try to be more concerned with your health rather than your image of yourself. Like this chick I’m talking too, she knows I’m gettin fat on purpose and supports me in doing so. She thinks my tummy is nice an soft hahahaha =) And I’m warm and comfortable to lay on too.

    • I have greatly reduced (not cured) acne by eliminating sugar and gluten.

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    • My cystic acne started when I was 12. I’m 50 now and my acne didn’t clear until last year. I still have acne scars. Fat and milk turned out to be the culprits for me. Even an oily moisturizer would form a cyst. Reducing fat eliminated the cysts on my chin, neck, and temples. Milk would produce little pimples on my forehead and cheeks. I didn’t know how to stop the effects of the milk until I looked up Danny Roddy and Ray Peat and read about Vitamin A. I took about 100,000UI of Vitamin A (I know it was a lot!) for a couple of days and no matter how much nonfat milk I drank, I didn’t get a pimple. Now I may take 25,000 UI once in a while because I need to go to my doctor to ensure my liver is functioning well since taking the vitamin. Fat is still an issue if I cross a certain threshold (and I don’t know what that threshold is for myself, maybe more than 20 grams in one meal). I still I don’t know if fat and milk are the culprits for everyone, but hopefully my experience is helpful to you.

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      • Ya dairy definitely seems to be a part of the puzzle for a lot of people. That’s why I have ghee in my cupboard to this day, yucky =P But dairy is so freaking delicious, I’d rather use medicine and have my cheese too. I’ve had cystic acne as well as many family members, my medicine and AHA saved my from the horrible ice pick scar fate. I remember when Matt did the Milk experiment and said that maybe the pimples he was getting may have legitimately from detox. Who knows.. I also remember listening to Arthur De Vany on Sean Croxtons blog talk and how he said that if a child grows up on Milk, their bodies will be much different in their requirements or some shit. Wellp, I’m certainly a dairy kid, can’t get enough of them hormones mmmm…..

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    • Steph, have you tried the essentials?

      1) change pillow/blanket sheets daily.
      2) wash face thoroughly with soap, wipe thoroughly with cotton towel, soap to finish.

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    • I went off gluten for stomach reasons and was shocked when my acne and bachne went away. I mean, not even one little pimple unless I cheat! Btw, I’m also lactose intolerant so I try to avoid that too though gluten seems to be the bigger culprit for me. There’s dozens of other things that cleared up for me as well when I went gluten-free. I know here at 180 degree health we want to get beyond going gluten free and fix our metabolism so we don’t have to keep eliminating things from our diet but until we reach that pinnacle it may be important to avoid certain foods that really mess with our bodies. Not doing so may totally hinder progress.

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    • My acne gets worse when I miss out on sleep, or being constipated. Cutting out sugar and vegetable oils has helped.

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    • My acne cleared up after removing nuts from my diet. I seem to do okay with peanuts though, which, I guess, is probably because they are not technically a nut, but a legume??? I don’t know. Anyhow, not eating nuts = clear face, eating nuts = acne.

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    • Hi Stephanie! My daughter is 9 years old and has acne, my husband and he’s brother had severe acne in their teenage years and I assume she got it from him because we eat a very clean whole food diet. Salicylic acid is a natural product good for acne and i been using it on her and it works. This is what I use https://www.arbonne.com/productImages/420.Lg.Jpg

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  3. “That in the right context, junk food really can be therapeutic?”
    This needs a big disclaimer that junk food typically uses a lot of vegetable oils and pseudo-foods and very little saturated fats. And eating too much at McD’s or other such fine establishments will generally not help your digestive health. So, proceed with caution.

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  4. Well,i definitely like eating at the chinese wokbuffet,however my body is letting me know i cant get away with any cheats:'( (lots of anxious racing thoughts but thats lately in regards to anything i eat, constipation,dandruff,dry skin etc.)

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  5. So, what are we doing these days for the middle of the night pee run? I know that during the RBTI phase it was a couple bites of fruit. When Matt went rogue he mentioned something about a few dates. I noticed in this article he has decided it is a salt issue, so…?

    I thought I was past this since I hadn’t had a problem with it for a few months, but last night I woke at 2:30 for a potty break, and couldn’t get back to sleep. As I lay there with my thoughts racing, toes getting colder and anxiety building, I remembered Matt’s date thing and got up and had two. I was back to sleep within a matter of about 15 minutes.

    It’s great that it worked, but if there is a better idea, I’d like to have it in my arsenal in case the issue arises again in the future.

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  6. Hey Rob. Please make your articles more complete with details or ideas. I love to read Matt’s stuff because he writes so much of his knowledge out there for all to read. but your articles or a fourth of the length or shorter (maybe some exceptions?).

    Even if its not full of Peatanese or WAPFian please write more!!

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    • Hey Pass- I appreciate the encouragement. The recent few articles are mainly just to give a heads up about 180D across the web. Are you saying stuff like ‘How to Get Better Sleep,’ and ‘Obesity Is Officially Incurable Response’ are also too short?

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      • In my opinion the length is far less important than the content. I was super excited to see “How to Get Better Sleep” but the content left me a bit disappointed. There wasn’t much 180 about it and its the typical advice given on a gazillion websites. Someone had posted a link to what Chris Masterjohn had written on the same topic which included new and interesting information. Even the Mercola approach of repeating the same message by rewording and putting a new title seems to work. That said, Rob is writing very well but I wonder if the higher frequency means the content is not as exciting perhaps.

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        • Constructive feedback’s always valuable, MAH. Will think on your comments.

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    • Hey Pass, Rob is just gettin’ started. He has lots to offer. You’ll see :)
      Those of us who have been around here a long time (including Rob) and stuck with Matt through all of his 180s – in his search for the real truth even when it meant sometimes he was wrong – remember how valuable a contribution Rob made here along the way. Some of us even urged him to do a blog of his own. So I (for one) know he makes a great addition to 180DH :)

      And hey we get both of ‘em, Matt AND Rob, for the price of one – FREE!
      Now that’s a deal! :)

      Oh and this was in no way meant to say your feedback isn’t welcomed. Absolutely it is! And I know they will both agree, they welcome and appreciate all feedback. So keep it comin’ :)

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  7. I went off gluten for stomach reasons and was shocked when my acne and bachne went away. I mean, not even one little pimple unless I cheat! Btw, I’m also lactose intolerant so I try to avoid that too though gluten seems to be the bigger culprit for me. There’s dozens of other things that cleared up for me as well when I went gluten-free. I know here at 180 degree health we want to get beyond going gluten free and fix our metabolism so we don’t have to keep eliminating things from our diet but until we reach that pinnacle it may be important to avoid certain foods that really mess with our bodies. Not doing so may totally hinder progress.

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  8. I’m at a stage where I’m just not sure what to do anymore.
    While on paleo for a year, I developed chest pains and dizziness. Got more complex carbs and chest pains went away (thank goodness!), but the dizziness didn’t go away. Now I’m boosting my metabolism and thyroid by eating more “junk” like wheat, sugar etc, while trying to avoid vegetable oils. I noticed that whenever I eat high calorie carb foods, the dizziness slowly goes away for a few hours. If I don’t, I could barely function. But if I eat them, the gluten or the sugar gives me pimples (I had almost no pimples when I was on paleo). Now it’s a choice between eating to stop dizziness or eating to have nicer skin. Of course I choose the gluten/sugar only because the dizziness is so bad (I’ve had it checked by multiple doctors, they don’t know what is causing dizziness – but they came about 6 months into paleo diet – and I’ve never experienced dizziness or chest pains prior to that).

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  9. Videos are a loss for me. Writing……………..please, thank you.

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  10. Thank you!

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