Resetting Your Circadian Clock

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Your typical health geek knows very little about Circadian rhythms, but real researchers know that there is a tremendous significance behind our daily biochemical rhythms. For those that don’t know, the circadian rhythms are basically just secretions of various chemicals and enzymes that take place during the 24-hour cycle that are set like a clock.

For example, during the evening it is natural for humans, a diurnal creature, to see a drop in cortisol and a rise in serotonin. This kills your appetite and makes you calm, sleepy, and ready to hit the hay after the sun goes down.

In the morning you see cortisol peaking in a normal, healthy human with ideal circadian rhythms. This helps to promote hunger, whereas having low cortisol levels throughout the night lends itself to a lack of hunger, helping you sleep soundly without needing to go on a midnight cupboard rampage. Anyway, you get the idea.

I first came across the importance of circadian rhythmicity when reading T.S. Wiley’s Lights Out: Sleep, Sugar, and Survival (2001) many years ago. In the book, Wiley makes a strong argument for the importance of sleep in avoiding metabolic syndrome due to the sleep cycles impact on circadian rhythms – cortisol in particular. And yes, it’s true, humans are sleeping increasingly less as the decades pass. Shawn Talbott, in the Cortisol Connection, mentions how the average night’s sleep has decreased from nearly nine hours of ZZZ’s to a measly seven over the past century. More and more studies seem to be emerging lately showing that lack of sleep is synonymous with metabolic syndrome.

During that same time, you see people drifting away from eating traditional breakfast classics like steak and eggs and moving to smoothies, Nutri-Grain bars, bagels, pastries, and Special K – the choice of a new, and pretty pathetic, generation. Being in New York City this morning, the white flour capitol of the world, and passing 2,784 bakeries and smoothie shops trying to find a place that serves something besides coffee, bagels, pastries, and smoothies was a great reminder of just how pervasive this poor excuse of a breakfast has become.

Keep in mind that these are the business establishments designed to serve those who DIDN’T wake up to sugary breakfast cereal or a smoothie they made themselves.

Anyway, that’s a separate tangent. What I’d really like to focus on is something that is a simple well-known fact that my own personal observations have reinforced over the years…

People with various signs and symptoms of metabolic syndrome seem to almost always have circadian rhythms that are totally out of whack.

To describe what I mean, I’ll explain what I believe to be a day in the life of someone with proper circadian rhythms…

1) Wake up in the morning spontaneously without an alarm clock at dawn no matter what time you fell asleep, full of energy and in a good mood with a strong appetite – like the family dog when he was in his prime

2) Eat a large and substantial breakfast

3) Desire to exercise early in the day, or at least get some kind of physical activity. Jittery and hyper if exercise is not possible

4) Have energy throughout the day without fatigue, drowsiness, irritability, feelings of depression or elation, mental fog, etc.

5) Good strong appetite at lunch but no panicked need to eat. Could skip lunch if he/she had to

6) Decreasing hunger levels throughout the day

7) Eat a normal-sized early dinner with no cravings or hunger afterward

8) Become sleepy early in the evening but not exhausted

9) Have no trouble falling asleep or nighttime hunger or cravings

10) Sleep soundly without hunger, without waking in the middle of the night, no need to urinate during the night

This is generally what a day in the life of a person with ideal circadian rhythmicity is like.

A short summary would be to simply say that most of the hunger and energy levels occur early in the day, while hunger and energy levels both decrease later, which results in no nighttime cravings for sugar or alcohol, no restless tossing and turning with your mind churning a million miles an hour or restless legs when you’re trying to fall asleep, and a solid night of deep sleep that you pop right out of early in the morning with no grog, fog, or zombie foot shuffling across the floor to get to the coffee maker. The day starts with bright-eyed energy, enthusiasm, and optimism with sort of a clean slate feeling.

Your typical obese person, or someone with the classic metabolic syndrome profile, often describes himself or herself as “not a breakfast eater” and “a late-night snacker.” Every morning is like having a hangover with no desire to eat and an unshakable feeling of drowsiness, fog, irritability, and fatigue. Hence the need for coffee at the very least, and something sugary and “light” if anything is eaten at all before noon.

At night things are equally screwed up, and even more annoying. Instead of winding down for a good night’s sleep, your typical metabolic syndromer starts winding up, and would love to go to sleep but hunger, cravings, and a feeling of restlessness seep in and get in the way – not to mention the normal chemicals that are supposed to be secreted in the evening that reduce the need to urinate aren’t secreted. What otherwise could have been complete sleep cycles is interrupted by a mega urge to whizzle if nagging hunger and cravings doesn’t get ‘em first.

Anyway, this is not meant to be a deeply revelatory blog post or anything like that. Rather, I want to put the importance of normal daily rhythms in the forefront of everyone’s mind.

In an evening of nonstop chatter and good times here in New York with Chek-certified trainer and health specialist/author Antonio Valladares, I mentioned that Circadian rhythms were something I was hoping to address in the near future. Valladares, who has spent years testing hundreds of clients with saliva tests taken at 4 times throughout the day to get a sense of such rhythms, responded to this by saying that “just knowing about Circadian rhythms puts you ahead of 99.9% of health and nutrition authorities out there.” I also asked him just how prevalent abnormal adrenal tests are, to which he said – “dude, it’s EVERYBODY.” And keep in mind this is just the saliva test, which says exactly NOTHING about the activity of the 11-HSD-1 enzyme that regulates corticosteroid activity in fat cells which I believe to be far more significant than levels detected in blood and saliva of adrenal hormones such as cortisol.

Coming up later we’ll definitely be focusing on some tricks to reset the biological clock. But in my experiences with resetting my clock and becoming more or less a new man years ago when I started really geeking out hardcore on all this health stuff, the most prominent keys to resetting the circadian rhythms go something like this…

1) Establish a regular bedtime. It’s better to go to sleep as close to sunset as possible, going to bed early. However, more important than the actual time you go to sleep is the regularity and consistency. Going to bed at almost the exact same time daily is a huge tool if you are seeking to better regulate your circadian rhythms.

2) Eat almost all of your calories within the first 8 hours of waking up. Eating an early breakfast that is pretty high in meat (and monstrous) is a great tool. If you are not a morning person and would like to become one, eating a big slab of something good in the morning is a powerful tool. An ideal day for me consists of about 80% of my calories being consumed during a very early breakfast and a midday lunch (interestingly, THIS STUDY that Riles passed along shows big differences in intermittent fasting when it comes to giving the food during daylight hours vs. giving the food at night. Our official 180 IF guinea pig, Collden, has also noticed much better circadian rhythms when eating food earlier in the day).

3) Stagger exercise towards the morning hours vs. the evening hours. This is still the hardest for me, but people that wake up to yoga, or a good workout, or a morning walk almost always notice a re-calibration of circadian rhythms (they shift to have more energy in the morning and be spontaneous “morning persons”).

4) Don’t watch too much late night tv, drink too much alcohol in the evening, or stuff yourself with a dessert after a full meal in the evening.

More on this to come as I delve deeper into this. But in general, the idea is to raise stress hormones in the morning with protein-rich foods and physical activity and keep them low at night. The carbohydrate to protein ratio discussed in the last post as well as the concepts here address that very simple fundamental.

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188 Comments

  1. I'm #1…woo hoo!!!!

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  2. very helpful. i have horrible circadian rhythm. i am unable to sleep until 3-6am most days.

    QUESTION- do you recommend a low oxalate diet ? what if removing oxalate from ones diet improves symptoms? basically the only low oxalate starches are white and wild rice. is this too restrictive when one is trying to heal metabolism?

    THANKS

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  3. That study is on mice, meaning it has questionable relevance to humans.

    Anyone have any tips on late night urination? Everything else is fine, but I always seem to wake up around 3 am to urinate, no matter what I eat for dinner or how much I drink during the day. Interestingly this does not happen after I have drank a lot of alcohol.

    Scott

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  4. A lot of great stuff in there. I'm having some energy problems at the moment (damn you, school!) and this could be very helpful. I might try eating most of my calories early and see how that work out. Usually dinner is by far my biggest meal.

    Anyways, keep pounding out the great information, Matt.

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  5. "do you recommend a low oxalate diet ? what if removing oxalate from ones diet improves symptoms?."

    I THINK your immune system is meed up immuno compromised

    is it food that causes symptoms or unhealthy bodies? low metabolism?

    you need to cleanse and nourish your glands

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  6. *SEE ABOVE*
    I MEANT TO SAY I THINK YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM IS MESSED UP

    LUV ~

    PuFfY~:*:~:*:~:*:~

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  7. Swede

    That is basically the exact problem I solved by eating much earlier in the evening, moving back my dinner from about 10:30pm to 7pm.

    It's a stretch to say I consume most of my calories early, considering my first meal is usually around 2-3pm. I suspect you may be right that it would be better to shift back my calorie intake even more though, think I'm gonna experiment with that.

    Isn't this exactly what Jon Gabriel preaches by the way, to eat almost everything early in the day?

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  8. Hey Matt, I was wondering what your thoughts are on life expectancy and metabolic rate. Studies have shown that undereating and fasting prolong life, would that mean that constantly having your engine running full steam will promote dying earlier? So if you remain small and eat light you live longer (perhaps why women live longer than men on average). But then that would mean a lower body temp would promote longevity? Personally, as a male, I'd rather be big right now and energetic and tackle that later on, but I was wondering what your thoughts are on that.

    Also, eating more than your burn promotes muscle gain if the training is there (especially combined with adequate protein), but does a higher body temperature promote a greater adaptation response? Perhaps this is another reason why whole milk is so great a tool for muscle builders.

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  9. I can't really get breakfast at all in the mornings, much less meat, due to school schedule and the meal plan i am on. So i try to eat a really big lunch around 11 and then a slightly smaller dinner at 5:00. I'm thinking this isn't best, and I don't even know if i'm getting enough food as i never have an appetite. But could this possibly work with a larger early afternoon meal and a smaller supper? All of my meals are pretty high-carb and very low protein as there aren't many good sources in our caf but i can always get rice and vegetables.

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  10. Matt, wanted to comment on your last post. The 2:1 ratio for the morning is awesome for me. I feel full and satisfied and I'm not gnawing on my pencils before lunch time. Also, by the time dinner rolls around I'm only mildly hungry. I had noticed doing the RRARFing that adding a little butter versus another carb really hit the mark as well. I would of never thought adding a little fat was what my body needed.

    Thanks

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  11. 98,6
    The live prolonging effects of calorie restricting have also been achieved with tryptophan and cystein, and with toxin restriction.
    It's not about slowing down your metabolic rate or eating fewer calories. People that restric calories automatically get fewer toxins, Pufa, bad protein….
    The idea that individuals with a higher metabolism die sooner is old nonsense!

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  12. 98.6,

    It's a complicated topic. Calorie restricted animals actually eat more per gram of mass (not necessarily more per gram of lean mass though). This may be an important idea. Raising uncoupling proteins (cause energy to be used for heat over ATP) reduce mitochondrial "stress," which, according to Nick Lane and others, is a significant aging factor. High uncouplings proteins should mean one needs more calories per gram of mass for maintenance.

    Metabolic supermice, Snell dwarf mice, and methionine-restricted mice all eat more per gram body mass and live longer.

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  13. Switch to blue-free lighting in the evening. Blue light tells your brain it is still daylight. Put some bug lights in some of your lamps, amber LED lights in the bathrooms, etc.

    Before electricity, we had fire for evening light. Orange fire. We got blue light during the evening during thunderstorms and full moons. The latter might explain the origin of the term lunatic. People with easily offset circadian rhythms got unbalanced when the moon was full. With electricity we are lunatics all month long…

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  14. Jannis,

    The idea the calorie restriction extends life because of less "bad protein" or whatever is oversimplified: referencing my comment above, the calorie-restricted animals would be eating more PUFAs/bad proteins/toxins per gram of mass, but they still live longer.

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  15. That's it I'm bustin out the steak and eggs tomorrow, yo.

    Yes, I find it mind boggling that there are few to no classic midwestern or Southern style breakfast places in New York. It's all bagels and dunkin donuts. I think this is sadly true of most cities now. You can't find a place that serves bacon and eggs unless you eat the shitty buffet at the hotel which is all toxic powdered eggs and yuck.

    When I'm traveling in a big city I usually save half my entree from the night before for breaky. Philly cheese steak for breakfast is the bomb.

    Also: Flava FLAVE!!!!!!

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  16. For all of you people out there who like to sit in front of your computer in the evening: There's a great tool out there called f.lux which automatically "tones down" the blue lights your monitor is emitting as soon as the sun goes down. You can find it here.

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  17. I definitely recommend F.lux, awesome program.

    On the topic of dying earlier…consider a car that runs fast all day and accumulates many miles, would it not break down earlier? Would the engine not die faster? Of course how you treat the car and take care of it makes a difference and genetics (the make/model) make a difference..but the overwhelming factor is how hot you run that sucker and how often. Is this not shown in longevity studies?

    I think limiting toxins, however, can definitely increase your lifespan..but I don't think it is the overwhelming factor.

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  18. madMUHHH: Big up for mentioning f.lux the program is a life saver. Definitely a must for anyone interested in this stuff.

    Have been using it for about 6 months now and swear by it.

    Although this post makes sense, I still don't buy having a huge breakfast and a small dinner. It just doesn't seem to work too well for me, besides my appetite is way lower in the morning. In spite of waking up ravenous I am satisfied pretty quickly (with not so many calories) so long as I get in some starchy carbs and protein (oatmeal and eggs).
    Your 10 point plan for someone with a healthy circadian rhythm seems spot on.

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  19. Oh my god, Matthias, that is amazing (f.lux). Thank you so much for sharing! I just downloaded it and am anxious to see how it affects my husband who's in grad school.

    To quote Jennythenipper: "Flava FLAVE!!!" I almost forgot about that dude.

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  20. John,
    They might eat more per gramm of body mass. But their endocrine system is stil pretty much the same.
    Besides, animals eating unrestricted calories but restricted amounts of cystein and tryptophan live as long or longer than calorie restricted ones. But you are right that it is a bit over simplificated.

    "Raising uncoupling proteins (cause energy to be used for heat over ATP) reduce mitochondrial "stress," which, according to Nick Lane and others, is a significant aging factor"

    Why do they think that it is an aging factor? I think it is quite the opposite.

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  21. 98.6,

    Aging is not simple wear and tear. The body can heal and repair. If you were frequently working on your car and replacing parts, it wouldn't matter how often or fast you drove it.

    And remember what I said above: the restricted animals eat proportionally more yet live longer. Calorie restriction is not the equivalent of driving your car less.

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  22. Jannis,

    Correct about restricting tryptophan (and others)…that's why I said that restricting calories in a wear-and-tear context is not why the animals live longer.

    "Why do they think that it is an aging factor? I think it is quite the opposite."

    I was saying that reducing mtDNA damage slows aging–the wording was weird.

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  23. I can't help but think of Ori H. when talking about consuming a gigantic breakfast in the morning. I think he was on to something in regards to night time eating.

    It seems counterintuitive to boost serotonin in the morning when you are trying to stay alert.

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  24. John, I think your argument is a strong argument for fasting, letter your body periodically repair efficiently instead of digest.. Of course, the body does this every night for those who get enough sleep (perhaps that is why people who sleep better live longer) and there is a drop in body temperature at night.

    More studies need to be done and I remain skeptical. Humans are organic machines. A body running at full efficiency is certainly better for quality of life, but in terms of life expectancy I am not convinced (yet) that it can outlast a cold, small and skinny one. Not that I would ever want to live like the latter case.

    ……
    Man, I have been slacking on sleep and it sucks. I kinda wish I lived in that New Zealand town that has mandatory lights out (besides candles) at dusk. I can barely see any stars where I am. Technology has certainly done considerable damage to our circadian rhythm and it's addictive. I hang a tapestry in my window just so I can get darkness, I am not sure how much longer I can take the city.

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  25. Matt,
    Good to see you are posting on circadian issues as most people neglect this completely. There are a few points that seem off and you might want to research it some more. There are plenty of books on the subjects.

    Having a gigantic breakfast does not fit in with the circadian rythym. But, having higher protein and lower carb does, preferably a light breakfast. The biggest meal of the day with the most protein should be at lunch when our appetites and digestion are strong.

    If you want to exercise in accordance with circadian rythyms then morning is NOT the best time. Strength and flexibility levels are at their highest between 6-8pm and this is the best time for most to exercise. You will get better results because you are stronger and less likely to get injured because you are more flexible.

    But, some people do well in the morning if they are hardcore morning types and their body learns to exercise at this time.

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  26. "Man, I have been slacking on sleep and it sucks. I kinda wish I lived in that New Zealand town that has mandatory lights out (besides candles) at dusk. "

    Hobbiton?

    The whole car/human metaphor is just that a metaphor. Like all metaphors it works to explain a certain aspect of a situation, but it breaks down if you try to press it too far.

    My German Made car has 300K on the odometer. It has not been babied by any means. It lives outside a garage, gets driven on lots of short commuter type trips and rarely gets the autobahn touring for which it was born. Still, it just keeps going. If only my German DNA were as reliable, starting day after day in the worst weather imaginable. All my Germanic ancestors died of heart disease before 75, and many before the age of 50.

    Matt, isn't Flava Flave as an old school rapper and star of VH-1 near the top of the list of stuff white people like?

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  27. Oh Gosh guys F.lux sounds awesome. My husband who is otherwise a metabolic dynamo has real sleep issues. He is an IT manager and spends a lot of evening in front of the computer or texting. This is a great solution. I may not be able to get him to eat steak and eggs in the morning but he will probably actually install a computer program…

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  28. 98.6,

    I don't necessarily think fasting has any great benefits. Why, during fasting, would the body "repair" more efficiently than during eating?

    There are examples with life extension without calorie restriction–check one of my above comments.

    Birds and bats live very long propotional to their size and have a high metabolic rate and temperature.

    Anyway, my point is that decreasing your metabolic rate in and of iteself does not increase longevity.

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  29. JT: Doesn't exercise boost adrenaline and cortisol? Wouldn't you want to do that early in the day, rather than later? Provided you warm up/cool down and stretch appropriately you should be able to avoid injury. And from a practical POV, I find it best to "get it out of the way" in the a.m. It's really easy to make excuses later in the day and blow it off.

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  30. whoa, i love this f.lux!!

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  31. John, the theory goes that fasting on simple foods like milk put the least stress on the digestive system possible, allowing the body the energy to heal. I've been working on a bit of a half-assed theory. (I know, what's new). I think that when Western medicine was in it's primitive days some of the damage done by actively harmful practices like bleeding and recommending consumptives bathe in the Atlantic ocean in October were offset by the fact that most doctors preached rest and fasting with simple foods (milk, gruel) for almost every ailment. They mostly set things up for the body to heal itself. The common sense approach also recommended that children and invalids be kept away from rich foods, which, of course included sweets–a diet high in unrefined carbs and low in fat and protein.

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  32. Jenny,

    You are right, long term compliance is much higher if it is done first thing in the morning. Many people do fine training early in the morning especially the "larks", and if you do it on a regular basis your body will adapt to training in the morning.

    I am not saying it is bad to do it in the morning, I am just saying that your circadian rhythm is primed for max physical performance in the early evening, not the morning.

    Training in the late afternoon/early evening does not hurt my sleep, it usually improves it. But, if exercising right before bed probably isn't good for sleep.

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  33. Jenny,

    "…the theory goes that fasting on simple foods like milk put the least stress on the digestive system possible, allowing the body the energy to heal…"

    That theory has no scientific rigor. When I say energy, I mean glucose, ketones, etc–not some mystic force. See what happens if you have major surgery and then don't eat: I'll bet the lack of eating does not give your body "energy to heal."

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  34. The power of circadian rhythm is obvious to me, who by some weird quirkiness, has been going to bed at about 11:00 pm every night for weeks. Now that I'd like to commit to going to bed earlier (since it actually feels nice to be an early bird and get stuff done in the morning hours), I find it's nearly impossible to get myself tired before 11. But I'm working on it.

    What if you don't have much of an appetite in the morning? I find that a large breakfast mostly gets uneaten around here, except on weekends when breakfast can be had 1-2 hours after waking, when our appetites have picked up. But eating within 30 minutes of waking seems to be a turnoff for everyone in my family.

    @john: That's kind of the beauty of the milk diet. You get the energy (the real thing, not a mystic force.. you know, like calories and carbs and protein and such) from the milk, but it still gives digestion a break. I think it's probably a great post-surgery diet when you don't feel much like eating solids. Too bad hospitals serve crap like microwaved canned chicken soup and cranberry "juice" instead of raw milk.

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  35. I said fasting on simple foods, John. Drinking milk, eating gruel, etc. Not eating at all would be bad, but the idea of eating very simple foods that are easy to digest is sound. Most hospitals feed you very bland food after surgery. My post C-section diet was all white: mashed potatoes, grilled chicken, iceberg lettuce. You know what, after five days of not eating it was some of the best food I've ever tasted.

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  36. Matt in New York City! How long are you here???

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  37. JT: I know when I was running and keeping track of times I was always amazed at how much faster I was at hill intervals and sprints in the afternoon. It's a shame so many athletic competitions are held first thing in the a.m.

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  38. Jenny,

    Those foods are eaten only because they are easy to digest or keep down in some situations, not because they have healing properties themselves.

    Anyway, my point is aimed toward small-scale repair on a cellular level. In this case, fasting shouldn't have any advantage.

    The idea that calorie restriction reduces "wear and tear" and therefore extends life because of this is incorrect.

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  39. Another wacko thing from history. Lunch is pretty much a modern invention. Most people would eat a large breakfast mid morning and eat dinner around 5 or 6. When dinner got moved later and later, lunch was invented to fill the gap.

    Rewatching the LOTR movies this week, I've decided my metabolic type is "Hobbit." Breakfast, second breakfast, elevenses, lunch, afternoon tea, dinner, supper….I love them all.

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  40. I'm cracking up, Jenny:

    "Rewatching the LOTR movies this week, I've decided my metabolic type is "Hobbit." Breakfast, second breakfast, elevenses, lunch, afternoon tea, dinner, supper….I love them all."

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  41. But food that is easy to digest takes less energy and therefore gives a surplus for healing. If I've learned one thing in the past 18 months on this blog, it's that digestion is more important than you think. If you maximize digestion you will maximize assimilation of nutrients and therefore increase energy and healing. This isn't mumbo jumbo, this is just really basic physiology.

    I would also argue that broth which is a classic invalid staple is loaded with healing goodness. Whether its psychological or not, I still get an energy boost whenever I have a good homemade chicken soup. It's not just that it's easy to digest. It's loaded with nutrients and gelatin.

    My point is that modern medicine pushes you toward drugs that alleviate symptoms but prolong illness by dehydrating you and taxing your liver. The goal is to get you back to work as soon as possible, not getting you back to health. The emphasis is on speed of healing and the least inconvenience to the economy and health care system.

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  42. "The idea that calorie restriction reduces "wear and tear" and therefore extends life because of this is incorrect."

    This I completely agree with. Calorie restriction is bad. I think we can all agree on that. And it is completely bogus pseudo science as well to conclude that lowering metabolism could increase life span by reducing wear and tear.

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  43. Hi everybody !

    Matt .. came across your site a few days ago nice stuff
    i was actually saving a flava flav pic for a blog post on this subject as i am a huge circadian rhythm geek DAMN YOU..lol

    I noticed you like to quote Weston Price and his studies on "primitive" people .. ill be glad to ad my observations among traditional native american nations i have spent time with I am iroquois (wyandot) but i spend a great deal of time in the boonies all over learning from elders.

    for instance most natives fasted daily and only ate one big meal prior to the arrival of europeans.
    and did occasional multi day fast as well
    as eating all day is very impractical.

    So Ill be 180's other official faster guinea pig ! along with colden.
    cuz Ive been doing it most of my adult life,the only time i did not i was 50 pounds over weight and pretty sick

    I also follow a similar diet to what you call hed
    for more than 5 years ..and i am a big supporter of resistant starch as i eat alot of Corns beans and squash (our traditional foods)

    there is a study on mice i cant seem to find right now that shows intermittent fasting with refeeding that made up for calories restricted over the short term had the same effect as calorie reduction on a daily basis with out the lethargic weird behavior the mice had while reducing daily calories.

    i disagree with eating most calories in the morning
    i find as long as the majority of eating is done right around sundown i sleep like a baby somewhere in between 9 and 11 .

    in people i have advised after thier bodies adjust the hunger issues and energy and mental clarity fix themselves and like myself they can tell you its 6 pm on the money going by hunger alone .(or whatever their feast time is)

    i wake up full of energy eat very little if anything during the day unless I'm doing extremely demanding physical work ( like splitting wood for 8 hours) and I have a great body temp ( I am known to go outside in a wife-beater in winter)

    and exercise in my opinion should be done in between 4 and 7 pm If you look to when the most athletic records are set they are in between this time for a reason you are at your best at this time

    jenny …
    your pretty right about breakfast being a new thing
    my great grandpa's generation and some of my grandpas generation were not fans of breakfast or lunch

    hey everyone .
    Dont forget about artificial light …turn the lights down in the evening after eating to create a "natural" environment. Make it a habit to go outside as soon as you wake to get the high amount of lumens from the sun needed to "set" your clock as it enters your eyes

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  44. Damn! I always finish reading the post with a question or two, but then by the time I wade through all the comments, I can hardly remember what the post was about, much less my question…

    Um… oh yeah, what if you have to get up before dawn for work? I started having to get up at 5:45 three weeks ago and I have not been able to adjust to it–I never really adjust to anything before 7, but this is especially bad.

    Also, thanks for pointing out f.lux; I'm really sensitive to the screen's effect on my eyes but I never would have thought such a program would exist.

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  45. i like!

    masali- Conservation must take place for transmutation to occur within the sleep state.

    I recommend inducing sleep paralysis to sense the presence of the dark forces.

    I recommend incense, tobacco, burnt leavens (sage especially), or smoke screens in the evening helps as well as repeatably waking yourself up and going back to sleep in the same position- do not exposure yourself to bright lights when doing this

    Sleep apnea is truly a sin

    you can try to pounce your chamber with the burning sage bundles to lessen the symptoms

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  46. matt should definitely consider incorporating some middle eastern philosophy into his blog posts/ lifestyle. i wish i was a swami. i crave hinduism….

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  47. Rachelle,
    depending on where you are and of course seasonal changes sunrise can be different. i cant speculate on what your case is.
    I have found that if you are eating well and getting necessary vitamins etc … waking slightly ahead of sunrise to be a breeze (although an alarm clock is used no snooze button slamming) for the odd time i need to be up. and at least as a teenager i had great difficulty doing so.

    You might try getting some brighter lighting where ever it is you get ready in the morning.

    normal i wake at roughly the same time without the use of a clock.

    I have found that it is possible to change this wake time according to daily light exposure and moving this time a little earlier each day i have never needed to be awake before sunrise for many days in a row to test weather it works before sunrise or not .

    P.S. it has been shown that people who work the nightshift have a lower overall health even more body fat in many cases. might be better to find work
    that is better suited to your body's needs.

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  48. Please help. I hit day 39 yesterday of RRARF and need advice. I’m looking at trying to get my blood sugars normalized (among other things). I have come from lowish carb GAPS for over 6 months and on RRARF have been eating high carb, lowish fat, not super low but less than I want. I have been eating red potatoes, quinoa, brown basmati rice and yams for my starches. I’ve cut all fruit, nuts, seeds, stevia and honey. My temps are great going from 96.4 up to 97.8 and even 98.0 on some days. During ovulation I was 98.5-98.7. My fasting glucose started in the low 100’s and has only dropped to a consistent 93, better but I still obviously need it lower. Then my 1 hour postprandial glucose reading jumps all over from 199 at first and then on different days 140’s or 150’s. It has been in the 110’s and low 120’s lately and I get excited it’s improving but then will jump up to the 140’s again.

    So my question is if I should keep going or can I start eating to appetite? I want to fix the problem and not just put a band-aid on it but it’s getting really difficult to eat this much. What do I do?

    (On a side note, here is what I have to report so far on RRARF. I sleep a million times better, have less joint pain from an autoimmune disease and didn’t have cramps during my period for the first time in years. I have gained 5 unwanted pounds but oh well. My husband has increased his temps from 95.9 to between 97.0 – 97.5 depending on the day and also sleeps a million times better. Poor thing really packed it on with a whopping .2 pound gain- not even a half a pound. His fasting glucose has stayed even at around 87. His postprandial glucose readings have gone from the 120’s and 130’s to a typical 103. We have nothing negative to say about our experience so far and are very thankful to you, Matt, and everyone here at the 180 blog.)

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  49. Oh, one more thing to report on rrarf so far. I hope poo talk is okay here, it's applauded on the GAPS boards I’m used to so don't read any more if you can't stand toilet talk. For those that deal with constipation, i have been constipated my whole life and needed enemas just to go. I’ve done daily enemas for over 2 years now and by the 2nd week of rrarf I was going by myself once a day. Now for the last 2 weeks straight I not only didn't need an enema but am consistently going 3x a day on my own. The pride I now have as I leave the bathroom-well formed, good consistency, a joy that can be truly appreciated by the constipated.

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  50. John,
    Richard Johnson for example tries to explain that fructose specifically lowers ATP production or something (though, all his studies used refined fructose).
    Lowering ATP production, per calorie eaten and oxygen consumed, will tend to reduce obesity; The "uncoupling" of phosphorylation from oxygen consumption, turns calories into heat, and protects against free radicals.

    You are right, it's definitely a good thing that protecs against aging. Sugar (Fructose) in particular is one substance that promotes the "uncoupling"

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  51. I sometimes sense a presence while sleeping. I will try sage leaves for elimination. it is good to turn down brightness on computer screen too.

    what sugar is best? brown rice syrup? its low in fructose?

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  52. shari- matt recommends overfeeding plus lots of sleep for 1 month then eat to appetite. Umm does sage really work?

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  53. I honestly don't even know what this sage thing is all about, but I've been browsing through a forum that has a very heavy emphasis on hypnosis, NLP, self development techniques and all that kinda stuff and some of those peeps seem to swear by it. Don't know if that helps, but I plan to get a little deeper into all this woo-woo stuff and might come back with some interesting insights to share with you.

    Po-Ta-Toes!

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  54. Be careful Madmuhh-

    I've been down that road and barely escaped!!!

    Sheri-

    That is all fantastic. You've made progress so I would just eat to appetite for a while. You can always try another round of overfeeding later on (like months from now) if you don't continue to progress. All of that sounds fantastic though and is very typical of what I've seen reported. You can also overfeed for a day or two here and there if you start to feel some kind of constipation relapse, drop in temps, etc.

    But keep in mind just how much you progressed in 39 days. That's just 39 days, which ain't much in the grand scheme of things. Continue to eat well and you'll do great I bet.

    Jenny-

    Likin' the Hobbit diet, and yes, white people fall head over heels for pretty much any mainstream rapper.

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  55. Chief-

    Welcome and interesting thoughts. Each culture has different practices, but breakfast is not what Jenny was suggesting to be a modern invention, but lunch.

    There are many ways of scrutinizing it, but I've found that the people with the most out-of-whack circadian rhythms are often those with the greatest aversion to eating in the morning. I find morning eating to really help. We'll continue this discussion though.

    JT-

    Thanks for the insights. Like I just said to chief, my reason for recommending a "monstrous" breakfast has more to do with making sure that those who are nauseous and disinterested in food upon waking are at least eating a respectable amount of food in the morning. Montrous is relative to your appetite in that sense.

    Eating and exercise habits in Nature….

    I've always used this as an example of what is natural and normal for almost all creatures on earth. The hour before and after dawn is the most active time of day for both feeding, overall energy, hunting, and physical activity for nearly every diurnal creature on earth.

    Most creatures are eating and moving most in the morning and early evening, but things start winding down quickly in the evening.

    There's a reason why fishermen get up before dawn to go fishing, and it's not because fish are lethargic and disinterested in food at that hour.

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  56. Don't worry, Matt. I won't turn into a weird hippy-shaman any time soon. It's probably all more harmless than you think. That's also why reading that sage part weirded me out a bit, because it really sounded kinda strange and out of place. But I still thought I should share it.

    Which makes me wonder however. You said you've been "down that road". What exactly are you referring to? Was it at the same time as when you wear writing words on your water bottles to give them healing properties or something like that (silly Matt).

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  57. Matt,
    I am not sure that lunch is a modern invention. The teachings of ayurveda are thousands of years old and it teaches that the time when digestion is strongest is midday, so if you were going to eat a big piece of meat this would be the optimal time. Just leave the big plate of pasta for supper.

    I have heard that argument before concerning animals being most active in the morning so humans should be too. The problem is that humans are not fish or birds. All animals are not the same, owls and cats are not at their physical peak in the morning so maybe humans aren't either. Circadian research has proven that human peak physical performance is early evening.

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  58. I should have put the caveat lunch in the western world is a modern invention.

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  59. I sense an evil spirit when I am in dream state going in and out of the dream!Is there something wrong with me???
    I want to heal my immune system and metabolism to stop these evil forces bothering me in my sleep state.
    My dreams are always in the dark, I don't remember having a sunny dream :(

    This diet doesn't work cause I already eat to appetite and am still having these demons.

    madMUHHH please share what you find. what forum?

    JennyTHEnipper hows the unglazed clay SLOW COOKER (VITA CLAY) working out for you? would you recommend it?

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  60. sage is sacred

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  61. "I have heard that on one occasion the Blessed One was wandering on a tour of Kasi with a large community of monks. There he addressed the monks: "I abstain from the night-time meal.[1] As I am abstaining from the night-time meal, I sense next-to-no illness, next-to-no affliction, lightness, strength, & a comfortable abiding. Come now. You too abstain from the night-time meal. As you are abstaining from the night-time meal, you, too, will sense next-to-no illness, next-to-no affliction, lightness, strength, & a comfortable abiding." Kitagiri Sutta – The Buddha

    Even the Buddha recommends eating early in the day and not eating in the evening. That's one of the main reasons why I always had a difficult time believing people like Ori H. or Delfuego who eat only at night. The Buddha often seemed to be right about many things (if he ever existed lol) !!

    Martin.

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    • It seems fairly safe to say that if those were his actions then it didn’t seem to do much for his metabolism. This guy got a timeless rep for having quite the belly on him. I think I’ll take the advice from skinny spiritual leaders if I am to follow the advice of sages. It is far better to follow the path of those that were successful achieving ones desired goals. :)

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  62. JT

    i think what matt means is "our" natural environment we would all normal be doing some kind of fishing or hunting and would be more active because of this.

    although i agree the heavy duty work load would be done in the late afternoon early evening. (Carrying a moose back to the village for instance.) In my experience there is a lot of light duty things to do early in the day looking for tracks, setting up camouflage etc

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  63. Just a bit of anecdotal evidence to toss out there: my european grandparents always ate a huge, multi-course breakfast (tea, followed by cereal, followed by juice, egg, bacon, toast with more butter than bread, marmalade), a mid-morning snack, small lunch, drinks and a handful of chips at 4, and then a micro-dinner: an egg and toast, or a little pork chop with some greens.

    They also smoked, drank every day, and never "worked out" (though walked a lot and were constantly busy around the house) and lived healthily till their late 80s. I wonder how long they could have gone without the tobacco and booze.

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  64. Matt,

    yea i could have made it clearer that i was adding a thought not putting words in her mouth sorry jenny :)

    Although I do agree with you about the typical overweight person's energy and hunger is out of wack.I think there is 2 ways to skin that cat. I have noticed it works with either a large breakfast or large supper to fix some of the metabolic problems i see with some of the people I advise. i think the skewing of the bulk to one end of the spectrum might play a role. as it is in a sense a form of fast and overfeed depending on how you look at it.
    you might wanna look into it as an option for those you advise.

    Personally i feel more energized eating very little during daylight hours and some studies have shown a reduced amount of productivity with large meals during a workday. I don't feel drowsy waking up, never drink coffee and I don't snack at night either. I would challenge anyone to prove eating mostly in the evening has any negative effect on my metabolism as i routinely eat over 5000 calories in a day without gaining weight and I am in no way a biological anomaly as i was over-weight at one time.

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  65. Erik,

    That's interesting. I wonder what would happen if, instead of fasting, pure [non-insulinemic] fat was eaten. Insulin levels stay low, which I think is important for enabling autophagy.

    Acipimox (a niacin derivative), is suspected to be anti-aging (http://morelife.org/references/full_papers/15236765.pdf) since it prevents reduced autophagy with age, but I don't know if blocking lipolysis is the reason (it's just that blocking lipolysis should lower insulin, right?). Notice that, along with lowered insulin, free fatty acids are decreased until a strong rebound increase (along with rebound insulin). Low insulin, free fatty acids, and blood glucose is a strange state. I wish we had data on fasting glucose, insulin, etc on days when Acipimox was not given.

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  66. I'm Comment #71 WOOT!
    oh, sorry.
    Mattie:
    I love Antonio, he makes me wish I lived in NY so I could work with him. Adrenals.. yeah, mine are on the down low lately.
    and I caught a cold.
    Coincidence? I think not.
    Thanks for this, I will try the rhythm method you describe.
    ;-) xo your caffeine and sugar free/fruit&date free friend deb

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  67. Chief,
    I agree with Matt partially in that I think it is good to do some light physical activity in the morning, like yoga or a walk. There are some morning types that do well exercising in the morning, but I would say this is an exception to the rule.

    This post was about circadian rhythms, so i was just pointing out that we peak physically in the early evening, not the morning.

    I agree with you regarding eating later in the day. I think it is unnatural and unhealthy to eat a huge meal early in the morning. I can see it being important in agricultural societies where you needed to eat a big breakfast before going out to plow the fields all day.

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  68. Matt,

    what do you think about exercising before breakfast? It's (sadly) the only time when I can make myself excercise consistently.

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  69. Matt,

    what do you think about pre-breakfast exercise? It's the only time of the day I manage to make myself excercise regularly.

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  70. Hans, I think that light work done before breakfast is fine. Farmers generally had to milk the cows and gather eggs before they could eat.

    Vigorous exercise on an empty stomach compounded by fasting over night may be harsh on the adrenals unless you are eating lots and lots of food before falling asleep.

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  71. Yoyoyoyoyo Matt,
    I guess I'm out of the loop, but whatever happened to your raw milk diet? Did you complete it? Anything outstanding?

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  72. J.T.,

    question for you or anyone else that might have a similar situation
    do you consider yourself a night owl ?
    and if so do you feel you have hit a peak in health and performance ?
    The reason I ask is to see if others feel this is set in stone or can be modified with certain things.

    i have read in certain books about chronotypes (larks and night owls) and at one time i believed i was a night owl and it was as if almost overnight as I got myself in a better state of health and mind, I noticed i would wake up n jump out of bed not the least bit groggy. At the same time i notice creative endeavors seem to be easier at night and have remained this way so I'm kind of on the fence with this one.

    I definitely agree better physical performance late afternoon and early evening in my self and in observations of others as well as through research.

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  73. I'm a health coach and know better but sleep is probably my biggest down fall… thanks for the tips! I'll try to be better ;)

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  74. JT, Chief and everybody else:

    So… eating a large dinner is best, and eating it at around 5-8pm is best. Physical performance is also best at around 5-8pm and we should work out at that time. I see a problem there… How can I work out at that time and at the same time eat a large dinner?

    It's a quite practical question for me… I'm thinking about re-introducing some martial arts, grappling, it's from 6:15pm to 9:45 so… I'm not sure when to eat. Also, I do all my cooking at dinner, in the morning it takes too long until I can eat and at lunch I'm usually out at the university.

    Also, Chief

    do you have some kind of gigantic stomach capability? If you eat 5,000kcal mostly in one meal and if you eat mostly starchy foods (like you mentioned), that seems impossible for me.

    ABout the buddha,

    wasn't he rather sickly towards the end of his life and didn't live that long? Either way, I don't like the esoteric influence on eating. Reminds me on macrobiotics and so on. Not a good guideline imho

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  75. Hans,
    I eat 5-6 times a day, so i would eat a moderate meal before and after training. There is no right or wrong, just experiment and see what works best for you.

    Chief,
    I am not an extreme night owl, but i am definitely not a morning person. I am mentally and physically sharpest around midday and in the evening. If I had some creative project where i really needed to hyper-focus and produce I would do it between 10pm-2am.

    I have noticed that a lot of artists and creative types are extreme owls, working all night long. A lot of the worker types seem to be larks.

    I don't think chronotypes can be completely changed, but I do believe that can be modified through light stimulation, protein/carb timing, caffeine, exercise.

    One thing that I have read about that might work in extreme cases is staying awake all night and the next day until you reach the time you want to reset your sleep cycle, and then go to sleep at that time.

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  76. How long before workout would you say eat?

    A lot of my friends like to study or write their papers at night. I've also noticed that it's easier because there is less distraction. I think it's a mental thing though. In the morning the day seems still long, at night you want to rush to get something done before you go to bed.

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  77. i tried the staying up all night to reset circadian rhythm, it doesn't seem to work for me. i don't sleep through the night -max 3 hours. at the moment i fall asleep at 6am and sleep for 7-8 hours. i am tired shortly after waking. i feel best late night 12am – 4am. i might try Chronotherapy where you sleep 2 hours later each day until your at the ideal sleep time.

    any suggestions?

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  78. Gianne Putatti,

    i have seen the walking up slightly later each day to work.
    and i have seen the stay up all might method work.

    i think where you might be going wrong in staying up all night is you should remain in an environment as dark as possible all night and the critical part is to get as much bright sunlight as possible at sunrise ( do not look directly at the sun) but stand outside for at least 5 mins looking at the sky and ground. as your brain recognizes the darkness as sleep time and light as wake time. i thikn its like 1000 lux hitting your retina regardless of weather or not it is artificial.

    don't be a skeptic this isn't some kind of "new age healing " its quite scientific. It might take a few days but i have seen it to work quite well.

    as far a good night sleep try as matt has suggested…potatoes.

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  79. gianne putatii, i had the EXACT same schedule.

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  80. also, a year ago i tried going forward around the clock like you're suggesting. it ended terribly. try thyroid instead, or low salicylate/amine diet

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  81. Hans
    i believe that stomach "capacity" has little to do with physical volume but more to do with hunger signals. you will feel full according to your needs. I did not stretch my stomach nor do i usually feel the Over-full sensation maybe one time years ago.
    every once in a while i eat half as much and reach satiety. a study done one pigs giving them non calorie filler were found to eat more volume to make up for the difference and ate less when calories were given through an eating tube.

    a funny thing will happen once you have adjusted to eating within a window of a few hours on a daily basis you will eat alot more than you think is possible. Working out right before breaking fast is also a way to develop a larger appetite.

    If you believe in a body weight set point this makes perfect sense as your body makes up with hunger to keep the same amount of calories.

    Although I don't assume that I am unique, It is possible that within my gene pool we have an extreme appetite as my clients/guinea pigs typically live on my reservation and are are known to have an extremely large appetite. In the same light many including myself have at least one european ancestor in there somewhere in their lineage. I have not seen drastically different results with different amounts of european dna accounted for.
    so i don't feel it is a genetic thing, although I could be wrong. I would love to hear your experience.

    if you want to try it i would suggest moving breakfast or lunch a little ahead each day and your last meal back until you reach a desirable window of a few hours in between say 4 and 10 depending on when you go to bed. also avoiding sugar as this will make you hungry at weird times and don't eat right before bed if i eat really late i wake up really hungry

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  82. Hans,

    about 5000 calories
    I might have been a bit modest a friend added up what i ate at a feast the other day and was something like 7000.
    as far as how do i eat mainly (at least 50%) corn beans n squash and still hit high calorie??
    I typically eat one really big meal (several plates) and if i get hungry ill eat again. It usually happens like 20 to 40 mins later if it does.

    Digestion is key, when i eat fruit I eat it on an empty stomach and dont eat anything else for a lil while. I avoid sugar, veggie oils, dairy, pork and refined flours.

    A lot of the calories i eat come from how we cook it. a lot of our traditional recipes call for fat, maple syrup etc
    corn soup for instance requires fatty meats in the broth.
    I put probably the equivalent of 4 tablespoons of butter in terms of fat if not more in a plate of beans.

    beans without fat aren't very tasty at all putting the fat in it is like a night and day difference almost like MSG without the crack! lol

    on a side note,
    although I am on the smaller side for my family i am a pretty big guy (6ft 1 inches 215 pounds)
    I deadlift 450 squat 650 and putt 1200 on a leg press machine, so that might account for some of it. even though I slacked the whole summer n never changed eating habits. When i do work out its less that an hour and half a week. I have a friend that can't even squat 200 but eats as much as i do.

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  83. Hans,
    as far as your grappling/ workout just do it and eat directly afterwords. Your body responds to glucose better after a workout. say workout somewhere in between from 5 and 7 then eat it's that simple.

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  84. As far as refined vs unrefined grains are concerned, where does calrose white rice fit in the picture?

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  85. Yo, JT, whats up with the "5-6" meals per day? Sounds a lot like the mainstream bodybuilding/weightloss advice. I've never heard anyone suggest "4-5" or "6-7", but I've heard "5-6" plenty of times. What's up with the 5 and 6 hype? Are 5 and 6 "magic numbers" or what? :)

    I personally eat about 5-7 meals per day. I eat a small meal right after I wake up, to end my nighttime fast. Then I will have the time prepare for breakfast. Before I go to sleep, it's a similar thing. I usually eat small meal right before bed, in order to prevent cortisol surges at night.

    I feel bad after big meals. It's the same thing with small meals. If the small meals are spaced less than 3 hours or so, I too don't feel good. With small meals, I must space them 3 hours apart. With big meals, however, I must space them for more time. Both ways, it's hard to get enough calories without feeling bad…

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  86. Welcome Chief!
    From you're pic you're a pretty hot guy, I'm not surprised your metabolism is high. I always like to fantasise about all the tasty boys writing here. Sexual healing. xx

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  87. Fabulous post Matt and so opertune!
    Having progressed to being able to get 8-9 hours of sleep (crap quality, but at least sleep) and having lots of good bms, I seemed to have regressed and can only sleep 3 hours at a time and am constipated! As a undereater with poor appetite my priority was to get something in my stomach within an hour of awakening (whatever weird time that may be). And managed that with liquid, eg raw milk kefir and fresh squeezed citris juice. This has caused me to get an appetite and be able to eat within a couple hours after that. I once saw this tv program about isolated hunter gatherers and they sat around the fire of an evening and people went to hammock when they felt like it, everyone seemed to get up and wander around whenever during the night. So maybe 8 hours of continuous sleep is a modernist fetish. Its weird but I sleep so much better during the day than at night that the nap is tempting. Whether I eat alot or late doesn't seem to affect my sleep at least in any obvious way. I still think I need more carbohydrate- my mill arrives tomorrow! Hurray!

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  88. This and your previous article on serotonin are very helpful in explaining why people like me have no appetite in the morning but are ravenous and snack-y at night. I'm trying very hard to do the right thing for my body by watching my protein to carb ratio, eating nutrient dense foods, getting rest, etc.

    For many many people who are trying to lose weight their explanation for their nighttime hunger is lack of willpower. They do very well at their calorie/fat restricted diet all day then at night they "lose control" and binge out on salty, fatty and sweet foods all the while blaming themselves for being weak willed.

    Although I a almost done playing the self-blame game I'm still stuck in hungry at night mode.
    I'm trying to understand the information you offer here so I can understand how my habits are helping or hindering.

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  89. Sydney,

    only 2 measly x's no o's …..What the #%$@

    thanks, :) i didn't put put a photo up to swoon anyone just noticed in another post a big debate over proof via photos and I didn't want people to think i was talking out my ass.

    Make no mistakes, I've never had a six pack and Im no flex magazine junkie looking for 4 % body fat. I work out to ward of diabetes. Im the laziest guy in the gym, always trying to figure out the least i can do via cheating.

    Sexually heal yourself all night long … I didn't factor that into my calorie burning …hmmmm

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  90. Organism,

    Yes, 5-6 meals a day are recommended due to their magical properties. Also, they must be spaced exactly 182 minutes apart for it to be beneficial.

    Besides the magical properties, the reason most do 5-6 meals a day is due to the fact that it works best for most of the people most of the time. If you eat every couple of hours you end up eating that many meals.

    Just because something is mainstream bodybuilder advice doesn't mean it is wrong. Bodybuilders know more about the effects of food on the body better than anyone else. It is their obsession.

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  91. @Chief:
    First of all, I wanna endorse you to stick around at 180, if you didn't already plan to do so. I think your comments add some good points to the discussion and I'm sure you have some valuable input to offer.

    Any specific reason you avoid dairy? I'm not too familiar with native American culture and stuff, being European, but milk isn't part of the traditional native American diet, is it?

    Also, how exactly do you prepare your corn? Do you soak it in lime or anything before cooking it?

    I really don't know what to think of that chronotype business. I haven't read anything about it, so I'm definitely not an expert with this, but the notion of two different chronotypes seems unintuitive to me, which of course doesn't mean that it's wrong.

    However, I don't think that morning persons tend to be workers, but rather that workers tend to be morning persons, simply because they have to. I hope that makes sense.

    @Matt or anyone who is into legumes:
    I've been thinking about adding some legumes to my diet for the sake of variety and to get some more resistant starch into my diet. However, I don't know a thing about preparing legumes. Which kind of legumes are relatively easy to prepare and how do you prepare them? So far, I've been thinking about cooking up some lentils, as that seems easy enough to do and seems to be Weston A. Price's "favourite" legume, if I recall it correctly. I guess I have to take a look into Nourishing Traditions and Matt's cookbook again. I haven't even started getting into Matt's cookbook since the update and didn't even get that far before the update. Dammit, maybe I should stop writing unnecessarily long comments and start reading.

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  92. Lisa sargesse,

    I recently read something you posted in a Jon gabriel article matt did in may,
    saying you had an injury and 3 jobs.

    to relate to your situation I was once 273 pounds at my heaviest. It was during a time i ran 4 businesses, ate terribly and slept poorly if you could even call it sleep..was getting sick often felt horrible my hair was coming out in clumps in the shower ( i have a long braid down my back)
    i had all the money anyone could want with no time to spend it.

    then i let it all go …simply saying Fuck it !
    went in the bush (deep woods) for like 2 to three months avoiding civilization .. came out a new man

    the point of my story is eliminating stress and reseting your circadian rhythm is PARAMOUNT and nothing is worth your health. The love ones you work so hard for wont have you around to love in the future continuing in this path.

    the most likely is another option than what you are living through focus on healing and the weight will naturally come off.

    PS after overcoming my situation and reading tons of "diet" books Jon Gabriel's book is hands down the closest to an " answer" I'm a little less woo woo than he is but side from his marketing angle his advice is spot on. I wish i could have read it during my fat days.
    i strongly disagree with his cold creates fat theory and run from animals as i am only afraid of other humans in the woods I cross paths with bears often and never raise my heartbeat. Regardless his book is the only book i would recommend for fat loss till of course mine comes out ..lol

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  93. @ madmuhhh
    thank you, and I plan on sticking around. this is only the third blog I came across other than a random google result where i didn't read to far into it. and the first one I posted a comment on. my only previous experience with comment was youtube ( im kind of new to the net only around 5 years ago was the internet widely available in my community. anyway on youtube everyone seemed to be ignorant racist or just plain stupid. so i never read comments. I find the 180 squad to be like-minded not necessarily agreeing( thats a good thing) alot of good minds i especially like Jennythenippers humor PROPS ! :)

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  94. @ madmuhhh ABOUT DAIRY
    No it is not part of my culture or any other natives i have known. Thats not my primary reason for avoiding it though. Our word for milk is onon:ta which loosely translates as "boob juice". I saw it labeled at a local convenience store and Being that the words in my language tend to create visuals in my head, it made me think of something my grandpa had said. " Do you think a wolf drinks the from the boob of a rabbit ? Upon remembering it i laughed, put the chocolate milk back and set out to do research. I came across some literature that said 90 percent of natives are lactose intolerant. Apparently most of us lack the enzyme to digest it after the age of four. A friend of mine literally vomits after eating ice cream but refuses to stop eating it ..he just laughs Even though i ate very little dairy growing up I was attempting to self medicate with chocolate milk. (never liked the taste of milk but i like chocolate lol ) to correct my crazy acid reflux I had back in my "fat days" as a friend said that helped him ..boy was it ever off the mark even if it helped with the acid short term.
    long story short it flies through me causing abdominal pain, indegestion and diarrhea.

    there is also strong evidence of it being hard to digest for all humans due to the casein and can also cause chronic pain in joints, neck and back and has been linked to autism etc. …. some things to consider

    i do however eat cheese in small amounts when someone has prepared it and invited me for supper as it is a big disrespect not to eat. i will not however consume pork even if i was paid to do so same as i would not drink a diet soda if offered.

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  95. @ madmuhhh about cooking

    first off i could go off all day about all of the methods and uses of corn. little too much for this blog posting. hit me up with an email n i'll be glad to help. just to give you an idea corn soup for instance requires the corn to be boiled with ashes and then rinsed before you can make the soup.

    i would advise soaking your beans and things of this nature over night before cooking. and don't add any salt while cooking them (till the end if you do) it tends to make them tough.

    i think lentils is a good start in adding legumes into your diet as in my opinion they require very little else in terms of ingredients to make decent dishes and are pretty versatile.

    majadra is a middle eastern dish i am fond of.
    some make it with rice but i prefer it just with carmelled onions, cumin, garlic and a lil salt n peeper.

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  96. @ sydney

    i reread your post to matt and thought about something you said. Perhaps in your attempts to eat first thing upon waking and doing so in a sporadic way in conjunction with the bad sleep patterns may be creating a vicious cycle.

    this might be random and anecdotal but perhaps trying other foods might help with appetite.
    a female friend of mine swears wild salmon helped her after losing a loved one created a depression filled loss of hunger.

    Maybe not to going the point A. Vonderpanits fecal inspired gastronomic (cant stop laughing) rituals, it might be good to get some helpful gut flora from a health food store
    95 % of serotonin is in the gut … digestion and proper assimilation of nutrients will definitely help with sleep and the circadian rhythm

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  97. Chief, VERY much looking forward to your book! My goal is to work less (or work smarter)and create multiple income streams rather than rely on paychecks only. My 3 jobs are part time (college lecturer) but still. When you're ill like me it's a strain.

    Starting Oct 1st I'll finally have real health insurance (I'm paying out of pocket). Then we can find out the cause of my anemia and begin rebuilding me.

    In the meantime I long to drop everything and move to a little farm where I can raise goats and chickens, teach at a local university once or twice a week and enjoy life.

    We'll see how life unfolds.

    Thanks for reaching out!!

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  98. Lisa sargese,
    thanks for the interest, i was reluctant to put my picture here as i did not want any form of free advertisement for any of my endeavors.. furthermore i plan on giving away my proceeds from the book to charity or obesity research or something.
    I'm just here to freely exchange ideas.

    back to the matter at hand

    there's no reason you cant do mini vacations now, go do something different on a saturday by yourself or with a real pleasant friend outside you'll be surprised how doing "absolutely nothing" in the sun can work wonders on your circadian rhythm by reducing stress improving vitamin d and so forth. the sun has even been reported to help with blood sugar/insulin resistance. and by all means don't avoid comedy grumpy people sleep crappy :)

    in looking over your blog I became even more interested in your story. Seems like you may have some unique insight hope we can dig into that further.

    peace

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  99. @chief

    "Digestion is key, when i eat fruit I eat it on an empty stomach and dont eat anything else for a lil while. I avoid sugar, veggie oils, dairy, pork and refined flours."

    Yeah digestion is key I guess. When i eat a lot, my belly becomes bloated and I can't breathe well, also my posture becomes distorted from it so I look like a duck.

    I'm avoiding all fruit & sugar now, no dairy (it seems to be a big culprit), vegetable oils etc.

    Anyway, I'm messed up from birth. Even as a baby I had diarrhoea and my digestion just wasn't right from the start.

    Why no pork? Personally I don't eat pork because it's grainfed and I can get much better lamb, beef or chicken. But if the pork was raised right, I wouldn't have a problem with it.

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  100. Hans ..
    during my self imposed healing protocol/journey I temporarily avoided most fruit as well.
    it was more of an accident as i mainly was trying to limit variables. turns out there was some science behind it. I would advise the same and see if you cant find a personal solution.

    Pork ….lol ah the pork issue. I was hoping i could dodge the dairy wheat n pork debates…. bacon flavored mayonaise, mints and ice cream are a sure fire indication ill be alone on this one ..lol

    heres a few thoughts just off the top of the head

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  101. 1.) first off , in our culture we are taught not to eat bear.It's a scavenger and has Trichinella spiralis as does other scavengers such as pigs. a microscopic little bugger that can crawl into your brain and grow into a pretty big worm.

    2. ) most food born illness/parasites is found in pigs. if your body runs better not fighting off germs weather you want to debate germs cause possible food poisoning why give it more burden.

    3.) high omega six .. alot of which is intramuscular fat. kinda hard to dodge it. How practical is cutting the fat off of bacon ?

    4.) christians, muslims and jewish belief systems all forbid it .. perhaps there is a long forgotten good reason for such and if pork originates in that end of the world they would know. and I'm in no place to contradict them after all they don't say to avoid 100's of foods pretty easy to dodge this one.

    5.) if they are omnivores and eat all kinds of things, it's kinda of like eating a human on a standard american diet. think : blade 3 "fat guys taste like cheetos "

    6) pork contains excessive quantities of histamine compounds which leads to inflammation and as most here probably know is bad for diabetes/weight problems

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  102. Has anyone tried making polenta with popping corn?
    I tried the other day with my grain mill and it seemed pretty much like regular polenta, though I didn't end up eating it (grain mill was full of some unknown junk, just wanted to see if the corn would grind).

    It seems like that type of corn would last for years or something with the proper storage.

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  103. To everyone,

    my approaches might not be to everyones tastes but I'm not pushy nor do i want to causes unneeded food fears. I fear little in the food world in my opinion. my thoughts on the few things that I do avoid, I feel its an easy to live with safe bet that does not impact my happiness or quality of life in any way.

    i don't consider myself dogmatic, self-righteous or culturally superior. to each his/her own. i have some thoughts on my success, give em some thought take what you want and throw out what you don't want.
    i hope to learn from you all as well.

    i stumbled on to this blog from a post Bruce k/Ian made on Dr Eades. i was interested in 180 as it was similar to my approach. It was a well written post even if he was manic/crazy or whatever at the moment. :)

    In coming here i have given thought to dairy and introduced myself to Mr AV and a host of other ideas. I have eaten smoked/dried fish and smoked/dried meat that is technically raw my whole life so there may even be things to learn from him. no cow pies for me though :)

    thank you all for welcoming comments and conversations

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  104. @ chief

    I don't really intend to argue about it, just interested if there is something I didn't consider before.

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  105. Hans,

    its all good I'm quite open other opinions i cant possibly know it all. :) fire away if you have anything to add or critique.
    i have given your duck syndrome great thought by the way as this is my complete opposite something to figure out there for sure.
    i just know some people get the wrong vibe in text form and i felt like clarifying i wasn't being preachy. The norm here seems to be avoid restrictions at all cost.
    I would argue if on one end of the spectrum a potato can be your friend why is it hard to believe gluten with the stealth of a ninja cant be an enemy ? even if the symptoms may not be instantaneous.

    peace

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  106. @ Chief

    The internet is a bitch in that it's easy to misunderstand. I just wanted to say I accept if you don't eat certain foods, I'm just interested in the reasons so I can see if there is something I didn't consider before and I could incorporate that in my own judgement of what I should and shouldn't eat. I know the kind of discussion you were anticipating, but I think it's not going to happen here, luckily.

    "duck syndrom" I am laughing my ass off right now… My spine is just not shaped right and my ass is too big for a man. And it's not like it's fat. The pelvis bone is big and there is a lot of muscle. I've had problems before with strange feelings and cramps in my legs, never knew where that came from. Then I found out: it's from posture. I can't sleep on my back because I will get a prickling sensation in my legs after a little. When I was younger, I went to an orthopedic specialist many times but he couldn't really help. He diagnosed Schuermann's disease, so I guess that's why. I don't understand why they didn't do anything while I was still growing… I guess now it's too late because the spinal shape is fixed. I do some yoga, want to do tai chi, too, also some stretching, excercising the lower abs etc., it helps but I guess it won't remedy the situation.

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  107. Yeah, and if I eat too much and my belly is bloated, that will aggravate the above problems very much.

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  108. Chief said,

    "christians, muslims and jewish belief systems all forbid it [pork]."

    When have Christians ever forbade pork? There might be a few sects that do indeed forbid it, but there is no restiction on pork as such in the New Testament or in most Chistian religions in general.

    Besides, there are lots of healthy people/native tribes who eat/ate pork as staple.

    In addition, the health of pork meat depends a lot on how it was raised. The meat from a swine raised by Joel Salatin is probably much healthier than from a swine raised in CAFO conditions.

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  109. DML,
    Everyone else ( warning boring religious babble )

    With all due respect I didn't pull these concepts out of my ass. Nor did i sate that all christians follow even half the rules. (christians on death-row yo!)
    now Im no christian expert but according to the new international version of the bible pork is forbidden see for yourself,

    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus%2011&version=NIV

    about the new/old testament

    mark 5 : 17 -18
    "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. " [laws of the old testament]
    Seeing as these are the words of jesus, a real "OG" in the eyes of every christian sect. If he said that, it's pretty safe to say he was not down with bacon ice cream.

    (TMI warning)
    I am not endorsing any of the religions just saying that I don't disregard it as quackery simply because i wasn't there when it was first written to ask why.
    At least i can ask Mr. AV why poop is good before i join his 2 girl one cup cult.

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  110. DML,
    you said , Besides, there are lots of healthy people/native tribes who eat/ate pork as staple.

    as far as native "tribes" saying tribes instead of people or nation is offensive to some natives if you wanted to know. It carries the idea that we are primitive. Imagine saying to someone : what tribe are you irish? German ?

    As far as native people, I can speak volumes with my family history alone. A historical book I read in the library as a teenager pushed me to research it in depth. It described a group of natives ( North American) and their first encounter with pork. they loved it so much they ate to their heart's content …and mysteriously all 6 of them were found dead in their sleep the next morning.

    furthermore as being experienced with "rez life" natives all over north america eat pork in large amounts arguably more than anyone (my family included) and we have alarming rates of diabetes and obesity. To quote my father when i refused to eat it : " how do you think we survived ? natives had to eat anything available! So eat damn it !" My nation adopted it from the french so i see the difference first hand. Alot of Government run food supplies on reservations had 2 main items pork and white flour. In my opinion the standard modern native diet makes the standard american diet look like a health food store.

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  111. No idea why the line spacing came out like that.

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  112. @ Chief

    "With all due respect I didn't pull these concepts out of my ass."

    Well you sort of did. No major Christian church prohibits its memebers from eating pork, and in fact if it

    did, it would be contradicting a major Christian precept:

    Mark 7, 15-16: Nothing outside a man can make him 'unclean' by going into him. Rather, it is what

    comes out of a man that makes him 'unclean'.

    The concept of ritual purity does not exist in Christianity. That's one thing that sets it apart from most

    other religions like say Islam and Judaism.

    There is also a very tangible passage about eating pork:

    Acts 10:
    11 He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners.
    12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air.
    13 Then a voice told him, Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.
    14 Surely not, Lord! Peter replied. I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.
    15 The voice spoke to him a second time, Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.

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  113. "as far as native "tribes" saying tribes instead of people or nation is offensive to some natives if you

    wanted to know. It carries the idea that we are primitive. Imagine saying to someone : what tribe are you

    irish? German ?"

    Simply because Native Americans were (are?) organized in tribes, rather than Europeans who lived in

    kingdoms or later nations. Talking about Germans as a tribe for instance would be fallacious simply

    because Germans are not a tribe. When Germanic people were organized in tribes, they were tribes, but

    the German empire / nation was / is not a tribe. You're seeing racism where there is none.

    Also, why do you think he was talking about North America? There are tribes in many other parts of the

    world as well. Polynesians, SE Asians, East Asians all prized their pork and prior to industrialized

    farming, there were no health problems associated with it as far as we know.

    On the other hand, you don't seem shy to attack other groups:

    "Nor did i sate that all christians follow even half the rules. (christians on death-row yo!)"

    This implies that Christians in general don't follow their own rules, like "Christians are hypocrites

    anyway." Now, that is a prejudice and I bet you wouldn't like it if somebody went on about Native

    Americans in the reservations drinking all the time, being lazy, beating up their women etc.

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  114. Hello hans,
    "Christians on death row "was not an attack it simply was meant to show the desire for bacon or desire to kill overthrows the rule. my point was not that the group as a whole are hypocrites I didn't even think it could be taken that way i would have reformulated the thought as I am no hater of anyone encountered way to much hate in life.

    I had 2 points as far as christianity and pork.

    1.) it is at least debatable weather pork should be eaten for all christians according to the bible as many christians go back n forth about it all over the internet. Even if they don't follow it weather as an individual or a group the rule still stands.

    2 ) at least some christians do avoid it, and weather or not they are united in their beliefs, the possibility that there might be a reason not to eat it based on their still stands based on this minority that refuses to eat it.

    and your views on the german irish comment shows you have understood my point exactly. We were not tribes any more than germans or the irish.
    The american constitution is based on the iroquois great law.We had and still have a well organized democracy and social order. We considered ourselves nations before the arrival of Europeans. It is misinformation to make us look simple calling us tribes at one time all people most likely were tribes like you said. my point that among those called tribes in the world many would take offense.

    peace

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  115. Hans,
    It is possible to say that certain groups of people as you spoke about, went on to incorporate pigs into their diet after contact with outside influences. They may have had good health, that in itself does not dismiss it's possible bad effects as many other factors play a role. If my homeland was occupied by thailand we would most likely eat rats instead of pork chops, they have seem healthy but i wouldn't eat rats ..In a similar light Don Gorske seems healthy I wouldn't advise eating anything he does

    I do , however feel that at least within my cultural/ethnic group if not with all groups, it is part of a perfect storm along with the other foods I avoid that is responsible for the diseased state.

    Perhaps the strongest evidence for me is those who have quit pork in my family happen to also be the only ones without exception who remain diabetes free as all who do eat it over 30 are diabetic or have been diagnosed as pre-diabetic.(I have a big family)

    peace

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  116. Chief
    Thanks for your advice. I have recovered alot over the last couple days. But I had a doh moment-I went to the dentist last week and he malpractised on me and was rough and put my gum disease on rampage- to the extent my glands swelled up and it was pain to eat. No wonder I didn't feel like eating- but for some reason I overlooked the obvious. And I think the physical pain brought back all that emotional pain of my husbands long illness and death when I lost so much weight. So more stress less appetite.
    Your idea of gut flora supplement is exactly what I've done except with the kefir, which is a food, always prefer a food over a supplement. Just ate alot more of that and I think the constipation has passed now.
    Strange coincidence, was I'd ordered some green french clay on the net. I eat the red US clay (never has done anything for me that I've noticed, just like the idea of it, the minerals) thought I'd try the green clay, it arrived Tuesday. So I sort of was just re-reading about clay on the net, seeing what was said about the green clay, and clay was recommended for gum problems. So I started sucking on a piece (my red clay is a powder not something you suck on). And I really loved the texture and taste of the green clay, I don't like the texture or taste of the red clay, usually make a collodial with psylliam powder to more easily down it. This green clay makes a very sticky mass and I was able to go to bed with it packed around the sore gums/loose teeth. also took a piece to suck while I nodded off. Its really helped. I also took a clay bath which is supposed to be good for removing toxins.
    I live inland so all the fish (vs your recommendation of salmon) here would be old and frozen. I probably need more protein but I just don't fancy meat much these days. I don't think broth or raw egg yolk (which I eat regularly)supply much protein. I do eat a small amount liver once a week and small amounts of cheese, and cooked eggs now and again. Loose teeth sounds to me like it might be something that should be treated with protein. I have been taking a lot of fermented cod liver oil just in the last few days as Adele Davis says A and D are necessary to calcium absorption and tooth health. Usually take only one capsule daily.
    I made some wonderful bread with my new mill but passed it up today due to sore mouth. I believe grains has quite a bit of protein so that might be a way for me to get more protein.
    Chief how do your clients, coming from such poor nutritional histories, cope with the beans? Don't they get flatulence and constipation?
    I am interested that you are now councelling people who have poor appetite. I would be interested to hear your insights.

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  117. ps chief if a o a hug;oooooooooo

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  118. Hans
    Love the scripture quoting! who'd have thought it at 180degrees? I love it here.

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  119. (continued from above…)

    Moreover, how exactly is being called primitive an automatic insult, anyway? If I were to call a tribe primitive, I would not mean it as a slur; rather, I would mean it in a descriptive sense, mostly as a way of indicating they do not "modern" in terms of technology. That is not an insult, that is a description. I refuse to allow politically correct BS get in the way of my ability to use language in a meaningful, descriptive, and colorful manner. If others choose to be insulted, even after I have defined my terms and made it clear that the way I am using them are not intended to be derogatory, that is their problem, not mine.
    Third: The whole native tribes –I do not mean that as a slur, I explained what I meant, and so I will not drop it– and pork issue…You might be onto something. But what about other native people** that ate pork and had apparent good health, such as the Native Hawaiians, among others? Note that is not merely a rhetorical question; I am genuinely curious, and would like to hear your, and other "peoples", thoughts on the matter.

    **Note that under my terminology, native tribe and native people are interchangable.

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  120. Sydney,
    loves me some kisses

    where do you live ? my first guess is canada,or is it Britain?, down unda ? if you don't mind me asking
    just curious as it might help in any thoughts i may have on your situation. You said you grew up in the country but that can vary nation to nation.
    on the beans .. it's not to hard to convince a population where their is a cultural importance ( almost religious ) to eat more of them.

    as far as flatulence, when they are properly prepared through soaking cooking and such they present much less of a problem. the other factor is when something is new in the diet it tends to be much worse regardless if its beans or broccoli. Continual exposure tends to eliminate it. I have never seen it cause constipation or diarrhea which is far worse than a few toots :)

    as far as a loose tooth i got hit with a crowbar and kicked in the face ( should have sen the other 5 guys) which resulted in a loose tooth i thought i was gonna lose it, barely hanging on status. got a mouth guard n kept pressure on it, not excessive just kept it from getting moved away from its spot.. the idea being that the pressure from chewing helps maintain teeth. it healed pretty quickly. I occasionally bite on wood as i know this was a "training" method from way way back.

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  121. (continued from above…)

    Second, regarding the whole tribes/primitive/insult thing: Really Chief? I mean, it's so ridiculous. What about reading a person charitably and understanding that they are speaking in a colloquial manner and mean no offense? It should have been clear that I meant no offense, both from the context of what I wrote and in the context of how people, once again in a colloqual sense, use language on this blog. People speak of native "tribes" all the time with the understanding that no offense or slur is intended. That is why it I say taking insult is ridiculous: You claim that saying "tribes" "carries the idea that we are primitive" despite the fact that there is absolutely no evidence I intended it that way, or, for that matter, intended it to mean anything other than a group of people, a society, that was/is probably quite small, but not necassarily, that was decentralized, meaning they were not a nation or a state in the modern sense, and that was/is very cohesive and uniform in terms of culture.

    Moreover, how exactly is being called primitive an automatic insult, anyway? If I were to call a tribe primitive, I would not mean it as a slur; rather, I would mean it in a descriptive sense, mostly as a way of indicating they do not "modern" in terms of technology. That is not an insult, that is a description. I refuse to allow politically correct BS get in the way of my ability to use language in a meaningful, descriptive, and colorful manner. If others choose to be insulted, even after I have defined my terms and made it clear that the way I am using them are not intended to be derogatory, that is their problem, not mine.
    Third: The whole native tribes –I do not mean that as a slur, I explained what I meant, and so I will not drop it– and pork issue…You might be onto something. But what about other native people** that ate pork and had apparent good health, such as the Native Hawaiians, among others? Note that is not merely a rhetorical question; I am genuinely curious, and would like to hear your, and other "peoples", thoughts on the matter.

    **Note that under my terminology, native tribe and native people are interchangable.

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  122. (continued from above…)

    Second, regarding the whole tribes/primitive/insult thing: Really Chief? I mean, it's so ridiculous. What about reading a person charitably and understanding that they are speaking in a colloquial manner and mean no offense? It should have been clear that I meant no offense, both from the context of what I wrote and in the context of how people, once again in a colloqual sense, use language on this blog. People speak of native "tribes" all the time with the understanding that no offense or slur is intended. That is why it I say taking insult is ridiculous: You claim that saying "tribes" "carries the idea that we are primitive" despite the fact that there is absolutely no evidence I intended it that way, or, for that matter, intended it to mean anything other than a group of people, a society, that was/is probably quite small, but not necassarily, that was decentralized, meaning they were not a nation or a state in the modern sense, and that was/is very cohesive and uniform in terms of culture.

    Moreover, how exactly is being called primitive an automatic insult, anyway? If I were to call a tribe primitive, I would not mean it as a slur; rather, I would mean it in a descriptive sense, mostly as a way of indicating they do not "modern" in terms of technology. That is not an insult, that is a description. I refuse to allow politically correct BS get in the way of my ability to use language in a meaningful, descriptive, and colorful manner. If others choose to be insulted, even after I have defined my terms and made it clear that the way I am using them are not intended to be derogatory, that is their problem, not mine.
    Third: The whole native tribes –I do not mean that as a slur, I explained what I meant, and so I will not drop it– and pork issue…You might be onto something. But what about other native people** that ate pork and had apparent good health, such as the Native Hawaiians, among others? Note that is not merely a rhetorical question; I am genuinely curious, and would like to hear your, and other "peoples", thoughts on the matter.

    **Note that under my terminology, native tribe and native people are interchangable.

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  123. Why oh why does the first part of my post keep disappearing? I have tried to post both the first and second parts of my comment three times now, and the first part keeps disappearing, leaving only the second part that begins with" (continued from above…)"

    What is going on?

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  124. DMl,
    just thought id let you know in some circles "them's fightin' words " Im not over bering on political correctness but it might keep you from getting punched in the face. The same way calling an american of african decent, a nigger or in kkkanada calling a native a savage or nigger will more than likely result in said face being struck. :) no hard feelings bro, just thought id give some insight choose your words as you feel.

    as far as hawaii, the natives have diabetes rates twice that of whites so no i am not convinced it is healthy from that stand point. Like i stated before i don't think it is a simple solution like remove pork problem solved. I do however feel it is a strong contributor creating a perfect storm, At least in every population with a near epidemic proportion of diabetes like natives of kkkanada and amerikkka ( 3 times more likely than non natives.) There is a large amount of pork in the diet. now is this genetic perhaps, is it easy to avoid pork to be on the safe side.. yes

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  125. DMl,

    try slightly smaller by post trim a little more , i had a few not work that seemed to fix it, although i dont know what the word count is :)

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  126. Just have to jump in on this pork and Christianity debate, even though I know I shouldn't. I was immersed in Christianity as a child and I went to dozens of Christian churches of all hues and never once hear a word said against pork. And Hans I remember a sermon on the very biblical passage you quote and the pastor said thats why we eat pork unlike Jews who follow the old testament. Chief's biblical quote is from Leviticus- the old testament. Yes, Jesus came to fulfill the law not to overturn it. But Christians understand that to mean the ten commandments. There are many laws and rules in the old testament which Christians ignore and feel they are right to ignore under the dispensation of Christ.

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  127. SYDNEY,
    thats exactly how i see it when it comes to christianity and pork. It is a choice to ignore either as a group or personally and there are contradictory opinions based on interpretations of different parts of the new testament even. don't really feel like calling some of my friends with university education in the field of religion for the proof when they told me pork was also a christian belief.

    I never went to a church nor do i have a great deal of understanding about christian common culture.
    I'm curios what anyone else thinks about the quote " Nothing outside a man can make him 'unclean' by going into him. Rather, it is what comes out of a man that makes him 'unclean'. "

    Im wondering if that could be mean eating cow pies wont make you dirty as long as they are not human in origin. could be support for Mr A.V.

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  128. DML,
    just reread my earlier post to you didn't mean it to sound like a threat from me. just "some " people might trip out n punch you in the face in certain circles, I've personally seen it go down. and the understanding of how words get interpreted could save you from a punch in the face.
    Im not an spazz out/violent type

    as always, in peace

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  129. Chief,
    I like that people can accommodate a food if they have a cultural or other commitment to it that sees them through the adaption period. So is the extent of your prep of beans overnight soaking? No acidifying agent? What sort of proportion of beans to other food. And would they usual be fed with a starchy veg like squash?
    Thanks for the idea about pressure and stabilisation for loose teeth. Makes sense to me. I'll have to think how I can make that practical.
    I've lived in the UK most my adult life, though I did live in Vancouver and Toronto for 1 1/2 year and 3 months respectively. I grew up in Northern Michigan.

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  130. Come on Chief, be fair, you brought up this, to me, outrageous proposition about christians opposing eating pork! Get on the blower (or email) to your university friends and get me new testamnet scripture that backs this. If theres 'contradictory' verse concerning pork per se in the new testament I'd like to know. Your point is traditional religious cultures condemned the eating of pork. This is either true or it not.

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  131. Sydney,
    :) i just don't want to overburden this post with religious debate especially when Im not well equipped.
    I do think it's kind of contradictory to keep the commandments but nothing else from the old testament and why have it in a bible if it's subject to be disregarded why not just not print the old part in a christian bible. just my thought
    I plan on getting at my friends for a blog post of my own,
    I never dreamed it would get such reactions thinking maybe people would find fault in my "they taste like cheetos" reference to them being humanish omnivores
    or the typical response of just cook it good! it wont be bad. Which is like saying cook cow pies itll be good.

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  132. Sydney,
    As far as Beans, i typically soak them overnight, but if its hot in your house keep em in the fridge or they will get "stank" (i think they ferment not sure but it wont come out good good) drain and rinse a few times kinda give em a "rice polish" when you rinse. then boil em real hard till they start to shrivel and break down a lil bit ( water gets cloudy) usually takes bout an hour and then i drain and rinse again and cook em a "long ass time" lol with varying degrees of heat its usually like a 5 hour type thing. Don't use a slow cooker unless you at least boil em hard first. don't add any spices or salt during the cooking stage as it will make them tough and change the outcome.
    Ill ask around n see if other families do it different.

    there are a lot of ways to eat em like for instance we put them in cornbread ( kidney beans usually) and we use a white corn for that, its not like southern cake kind of thing. we boil the bread, we put em In soups and stews, mashed up to a paste they get added to gravies.

    they have starch in them too but typically there is some kind of corn involved with beans in some way.
    there are many types of corn traditionally i think we had like ten types now eating just a few.
    i would say its an near equal amount of the three sisters corn, beans n squash as they help each other in growing next to each other and in eating them they compliment each other.

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  133. Nice post with lots of interesting comments. I enjoyed reading them. Thanks for sharing.

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  134. @ Chief

    Maybe you don't notice it, but you're doing it again

    "kkkanada"

    That implies that Canadians are racist. You should consider that white people dislike being considered a bunch of racists. It's like saying "Niggeria" instead of Nigeria. You think Nigerians would like that??

    You can't go around accusing others of being bigots and being one in the same breath. It's like people going around calling Germans "Nazis". I'm German, I'm not a Nazis, my parents weren't and my grandparents weren't, they just happened to live in Germany at the time. I also never owned a slave or displaced aboriginal people. So whoever blames those things on "white people" is prejudiced.

    The whole "kkkanada" and "Christians don't follow their own rules," it's so popular to bash white people / Christians… They are easy targets because they are pretty much the only to publicly admit to their own mistakes.

    Ah yeah and whoever punches somebody for talking about "tribes" needs to be institutionalized. That is highly anti-social behavior and has no place in a civilized society.

    And again, there IS no rule for Christians to avoid pork. I've been in many churches in my live and met many many Christians and NONE ever thought they had any reason to avoid pork. The only people who would think so would be fundamentalists who subscribe to the flawed notion that the Bible is the only guideline Christians should adhere to. Your argument was in that vein.
    However, that's highly problematic because the Bible cannot be separated from the Christian tradition, especially of the first few centuries, it is actually a part of that tradition. The Bible needs interpretation, it cannot stand alone. It also didn't fall from heaven like the Quran supposedly did. Even most evangelical Christians accept some of that tradition. And that Christian tradition says that Christians do not have to avoid pork. Jews who converted from Judaism to Christianity practiced the avoidance of pork etc., true, but that's about it. The Apostle Paul writes about the discussion about these matters and how Christians do not have to adhere to them.

    Think about it, if the rule to avoid pork stood for Christians, they would also have to circumcise their boys, stone women for adultery and a host of other things totally out of line with Christian precepts. You can't just come up with an isolated passage from the Bible and make an argument with it. That's what fundamentalists do and that's why they sometimes end up with crazy ideas.

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  135. @ Chief

    Maybe you don't notice it, but you're doing it again

    "kkkanada"

    That implies that Canadians are racist. You should consider that white people dislike being considered a bunch of racists. It's like saying "Niggeria" instead of Nigeria. You think Nigerians would like that??

    You can't go around accusing others of being bigots and being one in the same breath. It's like people going around calling Germans "Nazis". I'm German, I'm not a Nazis, my parents weren't and my grandparents weren't, they just happened to live in Germany at the time. I also never owned a slave or displaced aboriginal people. So whoever blames those things on "white people" is prejudiced.

    The whole "kkkanada" and "Christians don't follow their own rules," it's so popular to bash white people / Christians… They are easy targets because they are pretty much the only to publicly admit to their own mistakes.

    Ah yeah and whoever punches somebody for talking about "tribes" needs to be institutionalized. That is highly anti-social behavior and has no place in a civilized society.

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  136. And again, there IS no rule for Christians to avoid pork. I've been in many churches in my live and met many many Christians and NONE ever thought they had any reason to avoid pork. The only people who would think so would be fundamentalists who subscribe to the flawed notion that the Bible is the only guideline Christians should adhere to. Your argument was in that vein.
    However, that's highly problematic because the Bible cannot be separated from the Christian tradition, especially of the first few centuries, it is actually a part of that tradition. The Bible needs interpretation, it cannot stand alone. It also didn't fall from heaven like the Quran supposedly did. Even most evangelical Christians accept some of that tradition. And that Christian tradition says that Christians do not have to avoid pork. Jews who converted from Judaism to Christianity practiced the avoidance of pork etc., true, but that's about it. The Apostle Paul writes about the discussion about these matters and how Christians do not have to adhere to them.

    Think about it, if the rule to avoid pork stood for Christians, they would also have to circumcise their boys, stone women for adultery and a host of other things totally out of line with Christian precepts. You can't just come up with an isolated passage from the Bible and make an argument with it. That's what fundamentalists do and that's why they sometimes end up with crazy ideas.

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  137. Hans,
    I respect your comments on this blog weather or not they agree with mine and i think you present well thought out statements. but please read any of my post in the future while knowing I am far from racist or a "white basher" and perhaps adjust your interpretation of my words accordingly.

    

I agree with your statement that someone who would punch someone over words is highly anti- social but again, I have seen it over and over again with the receiver of said punches wondering why on earth it happened.
 Simply trying to give a little advice that might help. Funny thing is usually in "real life" nobody debates it, maybe thinking I secretly took offense and fear a punch in the face lol. I never thought the things seemingly of little importance would get so much debate time here.

    

on the pork topic,
    I never stated that I felt a majority of christians believed or practiced the belief simply that the belief system forbids it at least to some degree as more than a few of their sects do practice it according to their interpretation. 
Seven day evangelist, for instance don't eat it (christian). Tests in the army were done on them and they showed signs of being much healthier than average. 
Something to consider as evidence regardless of faith. My argument may have been "in that vein" as you said but it is valid none the less weather 10 percent or 100 percent of christians follow the bible 100 percent as an individual or as a denomination. It is still a christian belief even if it is a minority belief.

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  138. Hans,
    as far as the spelling of KKKanada,
    . It's a little more tongue in cheek and partially a political statement. This is obviously not "white bashing" or in thinking that, it is raises the idea that kkkanada is only for white people. that's kind of racist thought when it is made up of many types of people.
    If you notice I spelled american like this and AmeriKKKa like that. If i referred to the average canadian i would not do so. because I don't blame any people, but the racist agenda created by a few people in both "countries" is very obvious to anyone not ignoring it.

    I highly doubt if you lived in nazi germany you would take offense to someone calling it discriminatory. for instance in KKKanada laws refer to my people as savages. they have a special food guide for us only which advocates eating bannock. meanwhile thats shit is killing us. According to law i am not allowed to have alcohol in my possession. Plenty of racist things i could go on all day about. I have lived within the "borders" of both places and there are a lot of similarities. We get pimped on a daily basis.

    

The same way wilford brimley pronounces diabetes "Diabeetus" I spell them that way it's my personal choice humorously pointing out a concept. You need not take offense as you don't live there, however if you did you could not ignore the racism.

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  139. Organism,

    I find it hilarious as well, However Face punching customs among oppressed people is quickly becoming quite trendy!

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  140. Chief
    Fabulous post on beans! Just what I wanted to know. When you do your blog, you'll have to print some traditional recipes, I'd like that.

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  141. Sydney,
    thanks
    I have a blog, it's just Im moving it on to another server and updating and so forth "under construction " kind of thing. and Im working on a cook book, so no worries, I'm adding that in there too.

    as far as helping hardgainers it's still a little new in terms of my research into it ( Last 2 years) don't want to publicly display a lot of the complexities just yet but if anyone contacts me on a person to person basis. I'll throw em some bones as i would like as much feedback as possible.

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  142. Orgasm
    I too think DML's style is smokin'.
    And geeky nutritional nerds debating how to avoid a smack is hilarious.

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  143. Hans
    Thank you for that articulate defence of our culture. It pisses me off people who are SO defensive about their own culture will attack the 2000 year old Christian tradition on the basis of something they read in some obscure chat room with probably 5 members.
    I too love what you say about the bible being part of the tradition rather than visa versa. My favorite gospels are the gnostic ones surpressed by the Roman church.

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  144. Sydney , Some of us geeky nutrition nerds only fear the crowbar related smacks. :)
    I like DML, but personally I think he hits the keys too hard ..seems like his GRR comes through the screen :) just poking DML

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  145. Sydney it was not an attack … nothing was, if you felt attacked I apologize for the misunderstanding. I respect any and all cultures, furthermore some my mother's family are christian as a certain percentage of natives are christian.I wasn't defending my culture I'm not jewish or muslim and i don't disagree with christians that do eat pork nor would I call any of their beliefs or evidence for doing so foolish.

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  146. Oh Chief You are so tough (sigh, slaver), bears, slaps, you're cool.
    Crow bars-a step too far.
    Funny you should mention Seven Day Adventists. I had two Canadian Adventist auties who gave my family a cookbook. I read their views on diet when I followed the recipes from the book as a child. I wouldn't have been so open to Adele Davis's view if I hadn't been primed by reading Adventist arguements about nutrition.
    I accept your apology. It was the death row comment that went too far for me.
    As far as Adventist good health stats theres so much different about their life style you can't isolate non-pig eating as pivitol.

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  147. The cause of swine flu (profile pic)?

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  148. Sydney,
    hmm…I guess maybe other people have used that statement in a different light or it is just like hans said (the internet is a b*tch like that ) i meant like so:

    Jewish, muslim, christian or anyone could be on death-row and it could be counter to their belief. I just meant it as evidence that regardless of rules as in a bible sense " thou shall not kill" or just as in a non biblical sense, " penal code 187" in california for instance. the laws in themselves do little to deter people from committing these offenses if they choose to do so. In no way does the act of people killing (or eating pork) mean that there is no law in existence saying not to. Weather it be by direction of a leader in a church or other institution or by personal choice rules are broken, bent or ignored or circumvented through other quotes or teaching which obviously has happened or their would not be different sects or interpretations of christianity.
    I have even seen jewish people eat pork, I would not say that is evidence there is no law on the matter.

    to sum it up
    People break rules/laws all the time it does not mean the rules/laws are not there. However small the faction of non pork eating christians is, the existence of an old law that is impossible for me to question is present in all three religions.

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  149. if you caught swine flu like that sydney, just put a little OINKMENT on it

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  150. Hi Matt,

    Was jut wondering what you thought about the IF ers like those on Martin Berkhan's leangains. They all seem to eat late in the day and are in great shape.
    I haven't heard of any problems sleeping either…

    Thanks

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  151. @sydned: Did you make that typo on purpose or does this fall in the same category as cococunt oil?

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  152. Sydney ,

    I just reread your post and i did know about the other factors in the seven day adventist lifestyle to factor in, I wasn't using it in an isolated sense simply saying it fits my perfect storm theory as a contributor.

    I also decided to google my death row connection and was quite bothered with the amount of hate between views, ignorant arguments like christians were "more evil" due to "75 % of inmates being christian." (obviously many upgraded from dumbass-ism while incarcerated as well as other factors) either way I definitely don't want to be lumped into all that :)

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  153. matt, you are oversimplifying, & buying into the "morning larks are superior to lazy night owls" myth.

    firstly, your chronotype is partly due to genetics, thus you can work hard & struggle to change your wake/sleep cycle, but is that really wise? why not adjust your life to fit your natural rhythms?

    http://cmbi.bjmu.edu.cn/news/0306/200.htm

    secondly, night owls have been shown to be more creative:

    http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/2006/1810399.htm

    and have more staying power (not that kind of staying power):

    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/04/24/night-owls-have-more-staying-power-than-early-birds-brain-study-shows/

    so, matt, go ahead & change yourself into a boring, morning lark (can you say ned flanders?), i will stick to my night owl instincts!

    hooottttt (the cry of the night owl)

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  154. Micrathene whitneyiI,
    I agree there is obvious differences in activity and outcome depending on time of day as you have pointed out.
    At the same time there is also a studies that show people exposed to more sunlight have better health and longevity. if you are a hardcore night owl you wont see much sunlight. Some people dealing with the elderly have noticed less severe health problems with increased sunlight provided to the patients.

    I used to be a hardcore night owl. I still do a little night owling now and then but have little trouble reverting back once I finish my creative endeavor.
    basically I'm saying you can have the best of both worlds.

    i don't think genetics have as much to do with it as people think. In my case everyone in my family was a night owl then me and one of my brothers got our shit together health wise and naturally became more larkish.

    i think what he was bringing forth is true. most overweight individuals have shitty sleep Look up (sleep apnea) and tend to eat late at night and during the day which is a sure fire way to be fatter.
    night shift workers tend to be statistically fatter and worse of health wise.

    finally, evolutionarily speaking, without cat like eyes what good would hunting in the dark provide?
    curiously how old are you ? it has been shown between puberty and 25 years old a more pronounced night owl vibe due to hormones.

    thanks for you thoughts
    peace

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  155. why does everything have to be so extreme? why are the only choices to be a lark or on the other hand be a fat lazy slob who gets up at noon, stays up all night, is overweight, eats carbs all evening, and gets no sunlight????

    if you read the links, being night owl does not mean getting up in the afternoon & staying up all night. nor did i, personally say anything about being a hardcore night owl. basically the difference between lark & owl is about 2 hours. so, get up at 8 or 9 instead of the crack of dawn, go to bed at midnight or 1. plenty of sunlight to be had if you do that. and yes i am aware that there is a pronounced night owl shift when you are young, but then you revert to type – which is, as i said, about a 2 hour difference in timing.

    i am just saying, why make all that effort to get up at the crack of dawn if a few hours later is more natural to you? if i get up at 6am i feel like shit all day, no matter when i eat or go to bed or exercise. but, i can get used to it & do it if i have to. if i let myself sleep in a bit more, i feel awesome all day & afternoon, and ultimately am much more productive. yet, there is this myth of the virtuous lark. and trust me, the larks look down on you if you sleep til 8 or 9am.

    finally, not everyone in a hunter gatherer society was a hunter. people evolve to fill different roles. perhaps in groups with night owls included, if there was someone who was more awake and aware in the night, they would be more likely to sense danger, so those alleles were preserved. or maybe it was a random mutation preserved through genetic drift. evolution is not as neat and tidy as you might think. The scientific method is there for a reason – anecdotal evidence, i.e. "i did x and so did 3 people i know, we got result y, therefore z is true" is notoriously unreliable, that is why the double blind studies are used – to eliminate confounding factors.

    btw i am 47, & been a night owl as long as i can remember, & am healthy. i am just sick of larks acting like that is the only way and the truth.

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  156. Micrathene whitneyiI ,
    Thanks for sharing especially your thoughts being a night owl considering you are age. I sense a little hostility but rest assured my thoughts were not meant as disrespect.
    I believe things get confused a lot, I actually specified HARDCORE night-owl for that reason.

    I'm not saying I don't believe the night owl concept is true it may be as i may change my opinion in time. I am not 100 percent convinced there is clear cut larks or night owls especially considering the relatively small window of 2 hours. I don't disregard anecdotal info as a lot research is flawed usually by those trying so hard to prove their thoughts to begin with otherwise there would not be so many conflicting studies in all areas of research.

    I was convinced i was a night owl at one time but as long as my nutrition is proper i wake up at the same time regardless of what time i go to bed and feel as awesome if not better than i used to while needing to sleeping in. And i agree with you that no effort should be required for waking (i don't own an alarm clock and I drink no stimulants)
    I can however eat crappy and revert to sleeping in like i used to.

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  157. quote from "The good Huswifes Handmaide for the Kitchin. London 1594."

    "whereas the larke of mourning presentes to be a toughe, nigh, tasteless creature, the owles of nighte be beastes most plump, succulente and flavorfull, particularly when partaken of the tyme of the harveste moon."

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  158. Corvus

    interesting and funny gotta love old english , according to my research it applies to humans as well. " your doin' fourth meal" :)

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  159. Micrathene-

    Becoming a morning person is not something that takes struggle. It just takes a few days. I didn't become a morning person that started waking up at dawn for the first time in my life at age 27 because I was trying to get up early, but because it happened spontaneously.

    But consistency is also very important. It takes a much bigger health toll to wake up early all week and then stay up late all weekend and sleep in than it does to maintain a regular bedtime and waking time – from a health perspective. That doesn't mean you can't go shake it from time to time, but people should know that it takes a physical toll and not to overdo that kinda thing.

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  160. Matt, everyone is not the same.
    becoming a morning person took YOU a few days. To then extrapolate that everyone else should do the same thing & will get the same results is overly simplistic, to say the least. of course, you are very open to new ideas on this blog, so i fully expect that in a few weeks or months, you will do a post on "sleeping in is good for your metabolism, i slept in last week (not planned, but spontaneous) and i felt better than i did in years. it is very healing! EVERYONE should do it! until i change my mind again, that is."

    different things work for different people. that goes for sleep, diet, exercise, etc etc etc etc etc. in fact, different things work for the same person, at different times in their lives.

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  161. All I'm saying is that with screwed up circadian rhythms and lack of consistency with sleep patterns, everyone loses.

    Sleeping in is great for those who don't sleep enough.

    Oversleeping is unbelievably therapeutic for those with serious metabolic issues. Like my most recent guest-posted experienced after sleeping 14 hours a day after years of self-abuse.

    I've also seen people overcome metabolic issues, serious ones, just by changing their sleeping and eating patterns to favor the early hours of the day. It was the key that unlocked their metabolic issues.

    But you are right that we're not all the same. We're all .1% different.

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  162. "It takes a much bigger health toll to wake up early all week and then stay up late all weekend and sleep in than it does to maintain a regular bedtime and waking time – from a health perspective. That doesn't mean you can't go shake it from time to time, but people should know that it takes a physical toll and not to overdo that kinda thing. "

    Way to spoil my fun, Matt. I certainly won't give up partying anytime soon. I guess being young comes with some sacrifices.

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  163. .1 percent ..lol koodos matt , albeit that .1 percent has drastic differences as far as looks and what not, we definitely as a species don't have some of us with wings or the ability to sleep while swimming with eyes open like fish.

    i agree that it is a spontaneous thing, and a lot of the people i see changing their sleeping patterns do so because of dietary changes.

    sorry this post got really off topic for a while ..lol

    Madmuhhh,
    there are things to do to make the "partying " less rough on you. For instance I spontaneously cut 2 hours off my sleep time with nutrition.
    staying up late does not mean you have to wake up at a different time than usual and disrupt things (you just make up for it the next night going to bed earlier) nor does it require waking up caught on google earth like this guy

    http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23530849-googles-street-view-captures-the-moment-a-drunken-aussie-keeled-over-outside-his-home.do

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  164. Thanks chief,
    actually (apart from the last few weeks for some strange reason) I've always been someone who wakes up rather early, even if he has gone partying all night.

    "For instance I spontaneously cut 2 hours off my sleep time with nutrition. "

    Could you elaborate on that? Because frankly, I have no clue what exactly you want to say with that.

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  165. MADmuhh,

    Some of my ideas may sound crazy to some as you may have noticed ( lol ) but in my experimentation on others it does not seem to be a placebo effect.

    Simply put, I removed all things counterproductive
    to digestion and nutrition.
    and I developed a hyper-nutritional eating style ( lots of food, high nutrient density and fasting )

    if i remove these things the effects are quickly noticed 8 hours being the minimum sleep needed.

    when i put people on my regiment many notice waking up earlier and ask if something is wrong ..haaa lol to which i reply… what ? you don't like more energy or wasting less time sleepin.

    probably the most remarkable is overnight recovery in normal body temp.

    Friede sei mit euch…..

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  166. Madmuhhh
    If you meant Orgasm for Organism As A Whole, of course it was intentional, sorry, no new cococunt oil! I thought it was a fair abbreviation as when are we most organism as a whole? when we are orgasming.
    Matt and Chief
    I do not understand this .01% different. We're not different then. How are we different and how not?
    MIcrathene,
    as an owl I like your 'defence' of it, haven't had a chance to read the links yet. I can't see that 2 hours would make much difference either. I stay up all night, get up around noon and have a regular 1-2 hour nap early evening. Even if I get on a different routine, as recommended by sleep experts, overtime I will revert to that pattern. Really not sure if its bad or good health-wise. I sleep so much better during the daytime, I'd like to know why. If I could sleep as well at night I could get by on far less sleep. But Chief, I get beneficial natural light as I have a dog to walk. I've used a sunbed in UK dark winters and found it helpful.
    Matt as to dawn awakening occuring due to dietary changes-maybe that just you, that .01% difference. When I first started to eat like this I was sleeping at night, and long hours, and not feeling any better for it. But now I've reverted to my pattern even though I carry on eating carbs and eating(much more) regularly. I think I'm quite happy with it as long as its not detrimental to my health.
    Well I drink coffee which probably explains it all to Matt and the Chief. I'm not giving up coffee so if thats the cause nothing is going to change. Hi-de-ho.
    I had a 37.7oC the other day my metabolism can't be that bad. I wouldn't say I was plump but I like to think of myself as succulent and flavourful. And creative. As appropriate to an owl.

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  167. I just remembered who Ned Flanders is-Matt as Ned Flanders, cool 'insult'. Good one, Micrathene, hoot-hoot.

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  168. Chief
    Whats with the German?

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  169. @chief:
    What's up with all that multi-language stuff. Nobody here is speaking German anyway! Well, except for…me.

    I guess I will have to wait for you to post your blog address to see what that whole hyper-nutritional eating style is all about.

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  170. Oh, and sydney. I'm quite sure that .01% thing is relating to the fact that all our genes only differ .01% from another.

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  171. Micrathene
    Just read the links-very interesting- and the comments were good-I'm not the only defensive owl.
    By chance, I darkened my bedroom temporarily, and (ala Dr. Mercola) did sleep longer. But didn't sleep better only longer! My 'natural' time to get sleepy is 3-4 am, interesting seems a common time for other owls in links above. But can easily stay up til dawn but as soon as the light dawns I get really tired. So melatonin doesn't work for me in the same way. I could do without the evening nap, its not I'm overcome with tiredness- its just pleasant and refreshing, deep without dreaming( I experience dreaming as being a vampire on my psychic energy, hate it).

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  172. MadMUHHH
    But aren't the differences between our genes and other animal's genes only tiny as well?

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  173. MadMUHHH, sydney
    I just like languages thats all. i tend to mix all kinds of stuff together much to the bewilder of those around me. lol if i remember something i've learned it pops up in conversation. I talk to a animals in iroquois even ….I just do me. if anybody wishes to have a translation i don't mind but usually its of little to no importance or i would have put it in english.

    as far as .01% it comes from this idea

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/1416706/DNA-survey-finds-all-humans-are-99.9pc-the-same.html

    other animals are not nearly as close ..like a chimp is maybe 95 96 % or so ..seems close in numbers but obviously it is not.

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  174. Sydney, i almost fell over laughin at your matt and chief coffee comment … I'm not that hardcore to just write it off……but your response is what i usually get when i tell people its a good idea to dodge coffee. :)

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  175. wow!!! you described me…
    my circadian rhythm is perfect ;))

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  176. Matt:

    Have you read 'Powerful Sleep' by Kacper M. Postawski? If you haven't, I highly recommend it, if only to supplement your knowledge on the subject.

    The main thing that urged me to comment here is that I remember it talking about body temperature rhythm, and I believe the main focus of the book is about optimizing your body temperature for the purpose of improving the quality of your sleep. It talks about a whole bunch of things, and a lot of it has to do with 'quality vs. quantity' (how to sleep less yet get better, more energizing sleep)…

    Well, anyway, I thought you might find it very interesting, and knowing how you devour information like this I thought I'd just pass it along and make the suggestion to you. I'm not affiliated with the author or book in any way — just a fellow health aficionado who also loves soaking this stuff up.

    And I found the mutual fascination here with body temperature might be of particular interest to you, so yeah :D Again, that's probably the main reason I wanted to share this with you. I had a feeling it might be particularly fascinating to you, and maybe it can give you some new ideas and theories to go over or something? Who knows.

    Thanks for sharing all this information, and I hope you don't mind me making the suggestion. Hope you're having a good day :)

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  177. matt 2
    i think that's a pretty good book, powerful sleep
    i would suggest it to anyone interested as well. decent read not too hard to read on a geeky scale.

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  178. Antonio is the man and I am digging Paul Chek's work.
    Gotta work on my monster breakfasts but today I made a dent with eggs, spinach, bison sausage in coconut oil and a few pieces of turkey bacon.
    xo
    deb

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  179. wow -I just saw this post for the first time and would have loved to contribute to these comments ..

    but I guess I should stay more on top of your blog Matt. Thanks for the shout out … and yeah I had a great time hangin' (and fantastic food) at Chino Barrio in the LES

    …and since the comments are now in the past, I will refrain from the religious, race and cultural discussion, but hopefully next time this stuff comes up I will be more than happy to chime in. I love those topics!

    ok, I'm talking to myself, I'll get back to work and try to stay current with this blog, which is one of the best nutrition blogs IMO.

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  180. Thanks Tone,

    Brewing up a post on Hans Selye today which you should enjoy.

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  181. great article, but i am confused: "Establish a regular bedtime. It’s better to go to sleep as close to sunset as possible"

    how do you apply that all year round? where i live in the northern hemisphere sunset is anything from 3.30pm to 10.30pm.

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  182. Hey Matt,

    Should “lark’s” and “night owl’s” be taking their body temperature at different times of the day when trying to determine their metabolism status? I ask this because I recently read these articles:

    http://www.rps.psu.edu/probing/morning.html

    http://www.nasw.org/users/llamberg/larkowl.htm

    (there is a interesting chart about half way down that webpage regarding larks and night owls circadian rhythm and body tewmperature).

    And those articles got me to wondering if people should be measuring their body temperature at different times in the morning because the circadain rhythm can vary from person to person by several hours and thus the time of day that a person reaches their minimum and maximum body temperature can vary by several hours. Plus a person’s gender can influence the circadin rhythm and therefore, the time of day that a person reaches their minimum and maximum body temperature may vary somewhat between men and women.

    The circadian rhythm of men and women

    http://tinyurl.com/75b8c4v

    http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/sleep-newzzz/201202/men-and-women-different-when-it-comes-sleep

    Anyway, apparently, a “night owl’s” circadin rhythm is very different from a “lark’s/morning person’s” circadin rhythm and thus the morning low temperature of a “night owl’s” will usually occur several ours latter than a “lark/morning person’s”. So, if a “night owl” measure his/her body temperature at 6:00 AM then they may be measuring their body temperature when their body temperature is naturally at it’s lowest point of a 24 hour day. But a “morning person’s” lowest body temperature apparently occurs around 3:30 AM. So, a “morning person” would have to measure their body temperature around 3:30 AM if they wanted to measure the body temperature when it was at it’s lowest. If a morning person measures their temperature at 6:00 AM then their body temperature has already been rising steadily since about 3:30 AM. So, should larks and night owls be taking their body temperature at different times of the day?

    I would guess that most people probably know whether or not they are a “night owl” or a “lark” but here are a couple of online surveys that a person can take to determine whether they are larks, night owls or something in between.

    http://www.cet-surveys.org/Dialogix/servlet/Dialogix?schedule=3&DIRECTIVE=START

    http://ergo.human.cornell.edu/DEA3250notes/TOD_Survey.pdf

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