It’s announcement time. 180 is going through changes. First up is that the 180 Membership has undergone a radical facelift. Instead of it being a super secret way to get access to podcasts and the monthly eZine, it is now like a special club of 180 O.G. Gangstaz that will always receive a special discounted price on all future 180 eBooks. Sorry if you didn’t get in in time, but you original 180 members will forever be the ones I’m most indebted too. You guys got 180DegreeHealth on its feet. I’ll be sending you a message today with further details.
If you ARE a member and have NOT been receiving direct e-mails, please send me an e-mail at firstname.lastname@example.org to make sure you stay on the 180 Member list and receive future discount codes and free stuff.
The discontinuation of the membership means a discontinuation of the eZine as well. I enjoyed putting those together, but it has simply been too much of a time and effort hog. I’d rather keep up with more blog posts, more eBooks, and other ways to communicate. I’m also done with the podcast and will be doing videos, aka Vlogs from this point forward – which is something I hope to do more frequently than once per week as well (in honor of fallen soldier E. Zine). I’ll try to always do a weekly round-up of 180 videos in a blog post, so this will continue to be the primary hub of all things 180.
As for the latest updates on blog posts, videos, interviews, eBooks, and that kinda stuff – make sure, even if you are a member, to get on the new mailing list. To do that all you have to do is enter you e-mail address in the form on the homepage. CLICK HERE TO DO IT NOW. There are still some kinks in the new system being worked out, so don’t be deterred by any glitches or oddities you come across.
I also wanted to make sure everyone got the memo that the 180 Kitchen blog is super active right now too. I just put up my 3rd post for the month and have several more in store, including this absolutely ridiculously good Beef Wellington that I made 2 nights ago which will be the grand finale for Mignon Man March.
Last but not least, here is a quick video explaining the shift away from the eZine:
And my very first Video Blog discussing Psychologist Seth Roberts’s theory of the weight set point:
More videos coming later this week, so heads up for those. Thanks everybody.
Now Matt, this is stoopid!
I'm not talking about the current changes taking place at 180 atm, I think that's awesome.
It's just that a week or two ago, I couldn't really decide whether to buy all of your eBooks or just the kitchen eBook. 40$ was a little expensive for me, so I settled with the kitchen eBook only. But now your whole collection is 30$. If I just would have known about this a week earlier! :-(
I'll take care of you brother, don't worry.
It just seems like any studies done or any weight loss herbs or drugs they come up with all have in common that their goal is to suppress appetite. They just assume that all fat people are fat because they eat too much. I do believe that probably to get fat you have to eat a ton of calories. I mean, I know I didn't get fat eating the good food that I do now. I got fat drinking gallons of pepsi and eating junk food and then got even fatter eating fat free junk to lose weight. However, at this point for me and lots others, calories don't seem to be the issue. I eat a little, I don't loser weight, I eat a lot, I don't gain weight. Plus, I'm having a hard time forcing myself to eat more than 2000 calories a day, so it's not like I eat a lot to begin with. I don't need an appetite suppressor because I can control my appetite. I wish they would look at other issues if they really wanted to help people.
Also want to say Matt that I like the videos much better than podcasts, keeps my eyes busy.
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Your ezines are amazing. I still break 'em out and read them!
But I'm all about change for the better, and I'm lovin the more numerous blog posts and comments. Plus I want you to hurry up with that new metabolism book. 180 just keeps getting better and better! Great job, Matt.
You handsome devil you. =)
Hey Matt, can you help me out a bit..
This is not a joke.
My question is, how do I stop my sex addiction? I am a 25 year old male with a sex additiction. I am addicted to having sex with my gf or masturbating. I can have up to 9 orgasms (with ejaculation) in one single day. Up to 6 of the orgasms can be in one session, meaning no break in between!
I do feel that sugar influence me and that I am a lot hornier when I eat any kinds of sugar, from fruit or refined.
Is a zero carb diet a good solution?
I agree the site has been getting better and though I liked the ezine I can appreciate the increase in posts and all the comments. So the changes are cool with me!
Plus you are adorable! So proud to be part of the charter posse!
I liked the ezines primarily for the recipes, and since we are getting plenty of those on the cooking blog, I guess I don't read em as much as I used to. I think this is a good move.
I was going to buy the metabolism ebook this week, and then I noticed the 'revision 3/31/10' thing, so I'm glad I didn't buy it yet…will wait until April 1st, so I can get the revision stuff, too!…thanks for helping me to not waste my money.
I only just discovered your blog a month ago now (saw your guest post on Tom Naughton's site). Amidst all the confusion and info overload, a breath of fresh air and reason. I always did suspect, deep down, that is nothing inherently wrong with carbs or fat (just the types).
I have begun HED, slowly building the calories (God, did those homemade mashed potatoes taste good last night, and I ate enough for 3!), and hope to tell all one day about all the good things that have happened. It all makes sense when I think of people in the past who I have known and still do, who do eat this way and do have race horse metabolisms. They just freakin' EAT!!
Am now in my second pass through of all the ezines and look forward to all that is coming down the road. Bon appetit!!
Your story seems to be a familiar one, overweight people who say they don't eat that much, yet they still don't lose weight. You said low fat dieting made it worse. What is your daily carb intake like?
If I hold off to buy the whole e-book set until the new metabolism book is out, will I still get the members deal? If so, I'm there!
JT, I'm actually trying to increase my carbs now. Before getting into HED I would always keep my carbs low to moderate and most of the time I was on some sort of diet and always very low carb, around 30g per day. I have also done Atkins diet keeping carbs under 20g per day and after a month or so I did not lose any weight, and I did not cheat either.
Now I am eating more carbs to get the extra HED calories and keeping protein low and fat moderate. For the past 3 days I have been forcing myself to eat a lot cause I want to see what effect a real HED way of eating has on me. I guess I am just doing another little experiment.
Day 1 I ended up with 2558 calories, day 2 with 2880 calories, and today I am at 2277 right now and have only dinner left to eat. However, I feel really full and have felt quite uncomfortable these past three days. I want to try this for a full week, but not sure I can, I feel too stuffed. Eating this many calories in whole foods ends up being a very large volume of food. Plus, I'm starting to become stressed out. When on low calorie diets I felt stressed cause I couldn't eat enough and now I feel kind of the same since I am trying to reach 3000 calories per day (at least for this one week.)
Funny, but I think it is hard to eat a lot when you are fat. I've been quite a bit thinner than I am now and used to be able to eat a ton of food, now it is only a fraction. If you have ever seen the hot dog eating contests the fat guys always collapse first but the skinny dudes eat like champs.
Anyways, what I guess I'm trying to say is that it does not seem to matter what my macronutrients/calories/exercise is, my weight fluctuates within a few pounds and just doesn't budge.
this is sort of off topic, but are you guys watching Oprah today or did you see Ellen yesterday? every talk show host seems to be on the "health food" kick (which translates vegetarian/vegan) and it's making me crazy! i can't stand how ellen pushes her vegan politics with the guy who wrote "Eating Animals." the way that conversation went yesterday you would think it was a black and white issue–you either love animals and not eat them or you eat animals and are a monster! at least oprah keeps telling her audience that everyone has a choice. whole foods is using alicia silverstone to promote their campaign of eating mostly plant foods along with michael pollan, who at least mentioned getting out of the grocery store and to your local farmers as much as you can. and of course these people are talking about how great their skin, digestion, sleep etc. has been on their vegan diet. anyway, one more reason i am thankful for this blog of reason.
Vida, You are right, it can be difficult to eat high calories if it is all whole unprocessed foods. Mixing carbs and fats together is the easiest way to get a lot of calories in small volume. Do you weigh and measure all of your food? It can be really difficult to know your calories unless you weigh and measure everything you eat. I have weighed my food for a long time, and I still do not know how much I am eating unless I measure it.
I personally do best on a high carb diet, but I am lean and exercise with high volume and intensity 6 days a week. one thing I have noticed many times is that the leaner you are, the better you can tolerate carbohydrates without getting fat. Most people with too high of bodyfat cannot eat too many carbs because it makes them fatter. Broda Barnes who is the king of increasing the metabolic rate found that a fairly low carbohydrate, high fat, low protein diet is best to increase the metabolism. He came to this conclusion after observing obese patients in the hospital and seeing that they all ate mostly carbohydrates. If I was you I would not eat more than 20-30 grams of carbs per meal like Schwarzbein reccomends. Then once you get lean (under 25% bodyfat) you could start adding in more carbs slowly.
before HED I was eating low carb but it made no difference. Eating VLC and starch free makes me lose a few pounds at first but it comes back on right away even if I keep at the same diet. I will see where full HED will get me, plus I've started taking raw thyroid supplement today.
I am very accurate in keeping track of calories, I've been doing it for a very long time and I do use a scale or measuring cups.
It just sucks cause yeah, I know that the reason I ever got fat in the first place was my fault and all the stupid doctors along the way did not help at all either. However, I've been trying so hard to lose weight and I can't seem to. Well, I have lost about 35/40 pounds this last year, but have not lost much of anything in the past several months…very frustrating.
Vida, If you are keeping your calories that low and still not losing there are probably some endocrine issues going on. I would get all of my hormones checked if I were you. It is probably good that you are getting some thyroid support, but if it is over the counter then they have taken all the t3 and t4 out of it, so I don't know how well it will work, you need a prescription to get the real stuff. If your hormones are off it really is extremely difficult to maintain a lean physique, and could explain you difficulty.
Once you gain weight and hold it for a while your body will develop a new metabolic setpoint. When this happens it becomes very difficult to change it because your body wants to stay at that setpoint. I read a study that tracked people who had maintained weighed loss over the long term and all of them had one thing in common which was obsession. They were all obsessed with maintaining their extreme diets and extreme exercise habits with extreme discipline.
Vida, You lost 40 pounds this last year, that is really good! You should be proud of your accomplishment. The mistake people make is to think they can just do the same thing they have been doing when progress stalls. Usually you will have to increase exercise more, or tighten up the diet even more, or change programs. Also, the body will sometimes work in big jumps instead of a steady state fashion, that is what happens to me. I will get to a certain point and then progress will stall for a while, and then all of a sudden there will be a big jump.
"I read a study that tracked people who had maintained weighed loss over the long term and all of them had one thing in common which was obsession. They were all obsessed with maintaining their extreme diets and extreme exercise habits with extreme discipline."
Yes, I have a friend who is like that. Oh, he is so proud of his single digit bodyfat, but quite frankly he has gone from a likeable guy, life of the party, to a miserable SOB. His wife just rolls with it, but you know, he refuses to touch any "bad" food, turns down invites to social gatherings, etc. You call this living?? He knows full well that he is bleeped if he ever goes back to normal. Everything I have read of Matt's and the authors he quotes who say it is all about the metabolism could not be any more correct. I myself right now am 240 pounds, up 3 pounds, 19% bodyfat (a lot of muscle underneath the adipose tissue)and full well know that I will likely hit 250 before the fat starts coming off. So what? The weight I gain will mostly be glycogen and water within the muscles (I can see it already, arms and shoulders looking bigger after a week of HED), and once I am down to 220-225and 12%, that will be good enough for me.
I used to be one of those people. Thank god I am over that stupidity of diet and food obsession. Compared to the average person I guess I still am very strict. But, if you want an extremely lean muscular physique, obsession is what it takes unless you have extremely good genetics, or a lot of drugs.
You must be extremely muscular to have 240 pounds at 19% bodyfat unless you are really tall. How tall are you? How did you measure your bodyfat levels? What kind of exercise and diet do you have?
What is your plan to drop 7% of your bodyfat while increasing muscle? Are you just going to keep increasing your calories everyday?
Thanks for welcoming the new changes everyone. The new eBook revision will be included with the complete 180 Collection, whether you buy it now or buy it later – makes no difference. Some people were having problems with the discount code I gave. That should be cleared up by now.
You lost 40 pounds in a year and now cannot gain weight force-feeding yourself. How many overweight people have achieved that?
Don't worry about the force-feeding thing. Yes, you should try to nourish yourself to the max, and have that general attitude, but the bottom line is that when you are losing fat, it floods the lean tissues with stored calories and hunger falls off a cliff. Energy picks up too. Then you eat less and exercise more, which is a result of a healthy metabolism, but not a route you can force yourself to adhere to.
Just read the first 20 pages of The Gabriel Method yesterday. I haven't finished it yet, but I can tell you already that it is more closely aligned with the 180 beliefs on weight loss than any other book published. It's very insightful, and very inspiring, and the first step is to feed and nourish yourself well.
As for Broda, he believed, not necessarily in a high-fat diet for the obese, but eating the minimum amount of protein (1 gram per kilogram ideal weight), carbohydrate (20-30 grams per meal, just as Schwarzein recommends), and "enough fat to satisfy the appetite." That is the key for his program. Some will be losing fat so quickly they won't need to supplement any fat at all to be eating to appetite, as they are releasing so many stored calories to the lean tissues. But the key is getting enough calories to the lean tissues, which is what satisfies the appetite. As long as you feel good, your temperature is not dropping, you are losing fat, and you are not hungry – the number of calories you ingest is pretty much irrelevant.
So don't get stressed about choking it down! Just eat quality foods and don't let yourself get too hungry. If you feel like exercising do. If you don't, don't.
I know I am telling you this through a comment, but don't make this into a "challenge". As Matt has pointed out this should be seen in a more positive light.
Also try not to get stressed out and bogged down by the math. You now have a perspective of how much food to eat so only measure once a week or once every two weeks if you need to at all. The worst thing to do is create anxiety about this experience. Increased stress, increased cortisol, well you know the rest.
Also I think the feeling of being over stuffed will pass, as your body begins to digest larger mixed meals more effectively. Give it a good honest try for more that just a few weeks. Then if things don't improve you can take different measures.
Also don't weigh yourself.
Yeah the wife was watching this yesterday when I got home and I almost through something at the T.V.
The vegan segment grrr. "Like I feel so great on this diet. Like I had this tooth that had cavities and it was rotting and it just fell out, its like my body is healing itself. Also my hair stopped growing so I don't have to dye it as much. This diet like helps conservation efforts and the environment".
Excellent vegan impersonation.
Anonymous sex machine-
You most likely have a beta endorphin addiction of sorts. Beta endorphin is spiked through sugar ingestion, just as it is spiked with sex. Either can be habit forming to excess if you naturally have a low production of beta endorphin. The more you spike it, the more your receptors close, and the more the problem builds upon itself.
If I were you I'd try resting up, eating a lot, and avoiding anything with a sweet taste and sex if possible for an extended amount of time. This will boost beta endorphin levels naturally while opening receptor sites back up. This may sound impossible, but the HED is what makes it possible.
But after a couple weeks you will be upregulated, and will be very likely to go off the deep end if you have sugar from week 2 to about week 8 roughly.
But the key to any addiction is boosting up naturally low levels of neurotransmitters. Zero carb may give you some temporary relief to allow you to get through the transition, but long-term zero carb will reduce your neurotransmitter production and make matters worse, so it ain't the best strategy.
I'm excited to hear that you're reading The Gabriel Method. I've been listening to his Meditation CD to fall asleep lately. I read the book a year ago and his concept of the on/off switch, etc. is really in line with HED. Looking forward to hearing your take on it when you're done…
Can we stop talking about nutrition for a second and just admire how cute Matt is?
Ya see Daisy, you can't be saying stuff like that. I already feel like a big enough tool talking into a video camera and seeing myself on screen later. You're gonna give me a Dr. Oz complex.
Broda Barnes' diet was high fat by default because he wanted the diet to be low carb and low protein. He came to his low carb recommendations after observing the dietary habits of obese people, noticing that they all ate mostly carbohydrates. He gave them the high fat low carb diet and they all lost the weight without hunger. He came to his conclusions regarding the lower protein by observing that the hypothyroid symptoms worsened when protein went too high. His diet reminds me of the Optimal Diet.
Even though I prefer a high carb low fat diet for myself, I am convinced that almost all fat people do not do well on a high carb diet. Yo need to get lean before you up the carbs.
"But, if you want an extremely lean muscular physique, obsession is what it takes unless you have extremely good genetics, or a lot of drugs."
Exactly. I would say, who knows 1%,maybe 2% of the male populace has those kinds of genetics, and like you say, if not, drugs, drugs and more drugs. The freakish definition you see in bodybuilding competitions is not diet alone.
I am 5'8" carrying those 240 pounds. People can never believe I weigh that much. I am always told I "carry it well." Most guess me to be 200, maybe up to 210. Genetics play a part, I have an uncle, my mom's brother, now in his early 80's (I am 45), who looks like he may have been a bodybuilder when he was younger. Never worked out a day in his life, still eats like a horse (yeah, he does HED without knowing it or caring what the heck HED even is!), you get the picture. My bodyfat was measured at 19.2% to be exact by DXA Scan (cost me 99 bucks, Canadian ones, done here where I live in Vancouver,….and just had to throw that in after our town was center stage with the Winter Olympics a few weeks back). Funny enough, one of those cheap little plastic skinfold calipers, which I have gotten good at using, had me at 18.1%! And that is based on just a single measurement, the fold just above the hip bone. Oh well, the 99 bucks was still worth it, just to say I did it one time.
Working out? Have not seen the inside of a gym for 10 years. At a time I would train twice a week, squats and deadlifts, some chinups thrown in. I ate and I grew. I ate too much refined carbs (sugar junkie), and am convinced that is why I have the layer of fat that has been hanging around for several years. Currently I just train at home, have a pullup bar hanging over a doorway, use that, do pushups as well, one legged bodyweight squats get thrown in. When the mood strikes me, will pull out some heavy duty resistance bands and use those as well. One of the reasons I want to get leaner, apart from the obvious, is that I want to master more challenging versions of bodyweight moves. I can do a few close grip pullups and one day hope to do one arm pullups. Extra fat just makes it more difficult. What else? I swim on occassion, love brisk walks, hike in the summer (British Columbia in Canada is what Colorado is to the US, lots of mountains!).
How do I plan to get to my goal? You know, I tracked everything I ate the other day, stuck it in FitDay, was just over 4000 calories. 12%/33%/55% Pro/CO/Fat. Lots of starch, not so much bread yet, in time. Love butter, love heavy cream. Still getting used to the increased intake. As Matt pointed out in the Nov/09 ezine, it can take a few weeks before the gas and bloating go away. Plan to push it up to the 4500-5000 level (I keep reading Bruce K's old posts about what is possible) and then cut back a bit. By then, my metabolism will be on fire and I will be shedding fat at a much higher level than what the Jenny Craig's of the world tell us…:).If I ever start to feel hungry or colder or any of the cue's that metabolism is slowing down, then kick the calories back up again for a while. Cyclical sort of thing I suppose. I believe my goal is realistic, 220/12%, and being leaner will make my appearance possibly a bit startling!…LOL
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Quick question, here, totally off-topic:
I still got a whole chicken sitting around in my freezer. I certainly do not want to throw it away or anything, that would be totally ridiculous, stupid and wasteful. But considering that I want to keep my PUFAs low, how should I prepare it? Will it be easy to just un-skin the chicken? I have never made chicken stock on my own, but that seems like a decent option.
Right now my plan is to cut off the thighs and breasts and make stock out of the rest. If I do it that way, I probably would just need to unskin the breasts/thighs as I could easily just skim off the fat from the stock, am I correct there?
Green Monster, you should have become a professional bodybuilder man. With those stats, you definitely have the genetics for it. You already have the body composition of an off season bodybuilder, and you arent even trying!
With your genetics, you could probably get to the 220/12%, but I think you would have to cut calories to get lean, and then cycle your calories HED style. But, if you are able to get leaner by constantly maintaining high calories, I would like to hear about it, as it would be the first time I have ever seen it. You should keep a photo log to document your progress, and maintain a log recording all of your exercise and nutrition stats. If not, most people wont believe it.
Madmuhh, don't throw the chicken out man! You are going to far with the low PUFA thing, and this is coming from the me, the biggest PUFAphobe around. Just boil the chicken, most of the fat will boil out of the meat. Pick the meat off, and then boil the carcass and all of the skin for a few hours to make the stock. Let it cool, and then all of the fat will rise to the top and harden. Just scrape the fat off the top and you are good to go. That is what Ray Peat reccomends, as he like the gelatin from the chicken skin, but not the PUFAs.
Yep it sounds about right.
Do you have a slow cooker? If so, its so much easier to make stock with. Just set it on low and walk away for about 12-24 hours. Also put a little acid in the water (just a little 1-1.5 tbs). Let is chill scrape the fat off like JT mentioned and your good. Stock cubes are convenient, freeze some stock in an ice cube tray.
I wouldn't boil the chicken thighs or breasts, just take the skin off (add it to stock) and grill them. I don't like boiled chicken meat, unless its braised or in a very flavorful stock.
@JT: Of course I didn't even consider throwing away the chicken. I though I made that clear. That chicken comes from my grandfather, I wouldn't be able to sleep well anymore if I threw it away.
Well, at least I guess I already had a good idea how to handle the chicken. I think I'm going to do it like I planned, and Nathan, unfortunately I don't have a slow cooker. This is definitely on my to buy list. But I'll have to carefully "pace" my kitchen purchases or else my parents will freak out. ^^
Surely, use what you have man. Also I should have been more specific when I said acid. Basically vinegar 5% acidity.
Thanks, you're far too kind. I don't know, do not have that coveted X symmetrical frame going. Close, but no cigar. I have always just enjoyed working out. I have a friend of a friend who knows someone who is involved in a local natural bodybuilding organization who I met one time and this lady did mention they were always looking for Master's (Over 40) competitors. Who knows?
I have made note of your suggestions. Years ago, I recall reading an article in a drug free bodybuilding/fitness magazine and they featured someone who was getting lean on a lot of food. 3K+ calories a day. I guess it has been done. I am going to have fun with this and see where it all ends up.
mad Muhh, you care gonna be blown away by how good anything made with that chicken stock will taste. It's amazing how weak and lame proecessed stocks are compared to home made. Everytime I drink soup with home make stock it's like getting a little jolt of energy. You can feel the good stuff in there goin to work. Enjoy!
Jennythenipper: I second that. I make every kind of sauce with real bone broth and it is awesome. Plus it's good to know I'm tucking some extra nutrients away in there, too.
JT, what's your opinion on candida?
wait, so now the morbidly obese should not do HED? :|
Hi everyone, greetings from London England.
I bought the 180 collection a few weeks ago and have been casually working my way through it.
Matt, congratulations on putting this stuff together. It really makes a whole lot of sense to me.
I just dropped out of a Human Nutrition degree a few months ago because I couldn't believe how shut down and dogmatic they were.
Anyway, I've started the programme and am coming in at a pathetic 96.5 degrees. I know my metabolism is shot but My digestion has improved quite a bit already after only 3 weeks.
"The new eBook revision will be included with the complete 180 Collection, whether you buy it now or buy it later – makes no difference."
Does that mean that having bought the collection 4 weeks ago I won't have to buy the revised edition?
I wasn't sure how to interpret it.
@Rocket, I came in at around 96.8, I found it took me about two months for my digestion to settle down completely. And at 5 months, I am now pushing 97.3 with morning basals. It's been slow going, but the improvements in sleep, skin and overall feeling are well worth it. I'm 6'1 and went from 185 to 195 so far, with lean tissue gains.
@MadMUHHH, yep homemade stocks are awesome, I make at least one beef bone and one chicken bone batch a month (but have been removing the chicken fat, like you will). Soups and stews taste extra special, and adding a frozen cube to grits or white rice = delicious!
For all those that make stock. If one does not have access to pasture raised beef bones or chickens, would you still make the stuff with conventional bones and chickens? I do make it occasionally, but am not sure if it is just better not to make at all if not using pastured products. Conventional chickens and even beef bones rarely ever solidify, so I know it lacks the gelatin.
Vida, I have access to pastured beef bones, but the chicken stock is just regular store bought, which I am sure still offers tons more nutrients over say a MSG loaded fake alternative. I do buy organic (non hormone-antibiotic labeled) if available.
I have also noticed that all the fake stocks are loaded with PUFA seed oils.
Anonymous, I don't have much of an opinion regarding candida. Most medical professionals dismiss it as quackery, but I don't know. If you really do have a systemic candida overgrowth there is probably some sort of major immune system malfunction going on. We are all in contact with these yeasts, so if the body allows the overgrowth, then the immune system must be suppressed. But,then again it could be possible that the candida caused the immune suppression, and is not a result of it.
This does bring up an important point that is not being discussed here. Everyone is so focused here on diet being the cause of their low metabolic functioning, but I really doubt that insufficient calories is the cause of this plague. It could be that people have a lot of underlying infections in their bodies which cause the metabolism to slow as energy is drained.
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Fuckin' Peat is onto something… I know it.
Lol, I'm a milk diet failure.
I'm really trying to figure out what the hell happened, but I have the feeling it triggered my b12 deficiency symptoms. Raw whey is a precursor of glutathione, which is like death in excessive quantities for someone dependant on methylb12 megadosing therapy, but who knows. Maybe I could have sticked to it, but the insomnia, anxiety and weird feelings where too much. My temps are bad also. Looks like I'm going to have to supplement thyroid first. And get even more inventive.
On the bright side, my digestion is better even if I only did it for a few days, and I have found a love for raw milk (not 32 glasses a day for a while, though), and I feel a bit more clearheaded.
Matt, about Gorske, and in Peat's view, PUFAs are conditionally essential. I beleve that if his PUFA levels (specially O6) where really THAT low, he would be in serious trouble. Pigs being fattened eat less, no more food because of the PUFAs, as we know, and the removal of them would mean an increase in metabolism and nutritional needs (specially B vitamins) which would harm them. Again, hibernating animals need the PUFAs, and they are a part of the slowing down of their metabolisms, so necessary for their survival in those conditions. The fact that Gorske eats relatively low calorie further supports this… Though, of course, the flour is probably enriched, but that may be nitpicking. Matt, I do believe Gorske further brings the point that matters are complicated and not to be overlooked, but I doubt he is an actual poster child for the theories of anyone, including Peat (except for ol' Price, cuz Gorke is got a very modernized, "deformed", face).
Ryan, you mentioned in the last post comments (haven't read all of them) that genetics are a very important and sometimes unavoidable factor in this Serial Annihilation of Dudes (love that joke). Yet, my friends at the b12 forum have shown me some very interesting things. Here's one:
The importance of DNA methylation in altering the physical characteristics of an organism was proposed in the 1970s, yet it wasn't until 2003 that anyone experimented with DNA methylation quite as dramatically as Duke University oncologist Randy Jirtle and one of his postdoctoral students, Robert Waterland, did. That year, they conducted an elegant experiment on mice with a uniquely regulated agouti gene — a gene that gives mice yellow coats and a propensity for obesity and diabetes when expressed continuously. Jirtle's team fed one group of pregnant agouti mice a diet rich in B vitamins (folic acid and vitamin B12). Another group of genetically identical pregnant agouti mice got no such prenatal nutrition.
The B vitamins acted as methyl donors: they caused methyl groups to attach more frequently to the agouti gene in utero, thereby altering its expression. And so without altering the genomic structure of mouse DNA — simply by furnishing B vitamins — Jirtle and Waterland got agouti mothers to produce healthy brown pups that were of normal weight and not prone to diabetes.
In your face. Nutrition beats genetics.
I mean, genetics role may be more in the (limited) resistance of some individual to getting his heredity disrupted, rather than being major players in the disease field.
Now, my question is, can this happen if one is already grown up? Well, genes get supressed all through adulthood (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xjq5eEslJhw), so why not?
Excellent comment! That study just confirms what I'm already believing at this point. Epigenetics >>>> genetics.
Oh, and about the chicken stock thing. It's not that I never had properly made stock before. I usually buy a big glass of beef and chicken stock from the farmer's market I go to every week. The only ingredient in the beef stock is beef bones and is solid/jelly-like when stored in the fridge, so there's quite some gelantine in there. The chicken stockk also has some meat in it, so I guess they use the whole chicken, it's not really jelly-like but still kinda thick. Maybe I'm also gonna buy some chicken feet at the asia store and put them in there aswell.
So, short update from me. My weight is down a pound since last time I measured three weeks ago. I'm still eating 4000-4500 kcal as usual, still no drop in hunger. I've been feeling better in general, no hint of headache during the day and I feel more rested in the mornings, I feel like it's become easier to carry around this weight and my shins don't ache as much when I walk. Only problem is my fasting glucose is pretty much unchanged, hovering around 95-100.
I also measured my blood pressure again, it's been a while since my last measurement, but it has dropped considerably. When I first began measuring my BP a few months into the HED I had a worryingly high 180/95, this has now gone down to 135/75. I'm pleasantly surprised really.
JT- Barnes's weight loss diet was roughly 1300 calories. I wouldn't say that's the same as Kwasniewski, or high in anything.
I think the most therapeutic first step for a morbidly obese person is to eat as much nutritious food as they can possibly stuff in themselves. Later on, when that becomes habitual, hunger is in massive decline, body temperature is up – more targeted strategies like that used by Barnes could come into play.
Rocket – Yes, the eBook revision will be free for those who've purchased it previously or as part of the Collection.
MadMuhh- Although roasting the chicken whole will damage some of the PUFA, from a taste standpoing I prefer roasting it whole, then taking off the skin. Pour all the juices out and separate the fat from the gelatin and save the gelatin for sauces. It's amazing. I actually did a post called "Roasting Whole Birds" in 07 that you should be able to find if you wanna try it that way.
Great progress Collden-
Having BS at 95 on 4500 calories per day is not that bad either. When you go back to eating a normal amount of food, which you ultimately will and your hunger will ultimately drop, your BS will fall right into the perfect range (I predict). The drop in blood pressure is very reassuring. That's the whole point of paying attention to both short and long-term consequences.
The Leningrad famine during WWII say a huge drop in hypertension during the famine – a drop by 80% while people were starving. Afterwards, there was a 3,000% increase in hypertension – 6 times as high as the pre-famine level. So starvation makes it go down then up when food is reintroduced. Same with body fat, blood sugar, etc – all facets of metabolic syndrome.
Overfeeding makes blood sugar, blood pressure, and body fat rise temporily – but then it all comes crashing back down, and the end result is that you don't have metabolic syndrome while eating to appetite, unlike what happens post-calorie restriction.