August 15, 2013 at 7:27 pm #11522
The reason people feel great at the beginning of a fruitarian diet is because they are high on sugar. Also the easily digestible fibre and laxative properties of fruit make for a temporarily well feeling digestive tract. In the end fructose (actually all sugar)is poison in high doses. It’s hard on the liver and pancreas when eaten in such large quantities. Gandhi was a fruitarian towards the end of his life. Look at him at fifty. He looked like a dried up withered old man. Just like paleo there is a honeymoon period where you feel great but none of this is sustainable for the long run.
As far as Freelee and her boyfriend from the 30 bad site…. I am not going to join in on the Internet bashing. But if you do some research I think you’ll find that some of the health gurus out there have criminal records, violent tendencies, cult like site practices that stifle all dissention and that they don’t eat behind the scenes like they pretend they are. Nuff said.August 16, 2013 at 12:32 am #11539CharlieParticipant
Didn’t read thread but ignore this vomit disinformation posted above me.
” In the end fructose (actually all sugar)is poison in high doses. It’s hard on the liver and pancreas when eaten in such large quantities.”August 16, 2013 at 8:10 am #11542
Thanks :) What the symptoms do you have after eating starch?
If you are ok with the diet now, why you want change.
I know that in the beginning always you can feel better, but I am not sure how in longer term.
From my experience any extreme diet is not good.
And fruits are cooler, in the summer is nice to eat more, but in the winter not easy.
Did you tried this diet?August 16, 2013 at 9:00 am #11543
@positively i used to wake up with such swollen legs i couldnt even get pants&shoes on,my shins were bleeding&burning bc my skin cracked bc of the swelling. Sometimes merely could open my eyelids. Think this was all bc of bloodsugar imbalances and inflammation.
My energy soon started tanking,mineral deficiencies increased even more,mood disorders and constipation….just to name a few. (the last two i still have issues with,but a bit less severe)
When transitioning i wanted to bake all these coconutflour substitute breads&stuff,but i feel less need for it lately. Im not sure if thats bc of eating simpler foods or bc all my bakung attempts failed horribly.August 16, 2013 at 10:50 am #11549August 16, 2013 at 3:14 pm #11565
@positively some problems are still going on,so im too hesitant to even think about trying starch. My legwounds after months have finally healed,only crust left.
I dont consider myself a peatarian,but i do find im getting more drawn in bc this gut,seotonin&other hormone sh*t seems to be a keyfactor for me. If only i could understand the researches better.August 17, 2013 at 8:21 am #11619
How do you manage in the winter on high sugar diet?
I wonder if too much sugar/fruits it’s ok for the liver?August 17, 2013 at 8:37 am #11620
@positively i dont know bc i havent been eating like this that long. Fall&winter actually worry me,bc it seems like the carb(&calcium metabolism) only works on the brigther period of the year. But i really dont know what to think anymore,so im probably not the best source to ask for experience&reassurance as i cant get myself together and my act straigth.August 17, 2013 at 9:42 am #11621
Today i was thinking about another possible theory why people (initially) feel good on a highcarb mostly fruit diet.
I think from a gutpoint view,it migth be easier on digestion and works detoxing&alkalizing in general.
But as im also reading and trying to comprehend more on serotonin,estrogen etc. I thougth the following migth be a factor. Protein and fat raise serotonin and according to ray peat it is best to have as least serotonin in gut/body as possible. On such a highcarb diet,you basically avoid these two,so that migth contribute to the feeling good&positive.
I think that also migth be why lots of women here feel depressed wgile gaining fat,despite the fact they ‘tell themselves its from a vanity point. Of view’ but i actually think the rise in serotonin&estrogen control a lot of these thougths&emotions.August 17, 2013 at 7:10 pm #11649JenniferParticipant
I applaud anyone who has enough faith in themself to follow their own instincts and eat what they like not because they think they should, but because they like a particular food.
I think a very important thing to remember for those who are parents, what you do, your kids will emulate. I don’t know about anyone else, but I would not want my kids to struggle with food like we all have here and end up on these forums constantly changing their diet in the hopes of fixing themselves from the damage their last diet caused.
So many of us have made mention that we regretted going on any diet in the first place. I think the best thing we can do is trust our instincts and stop the madness and just eat and this way our kids can just eat. Eating should be like breathing, automatic. I think this site proves that it’s up to all of us to end the diet cycle. It starts with us and continues with our children.
If we don’t show our children we love ourselves beyond our weight, how will they learn that they are loved beyond theirs?
And in the same breath, we should love and want what’s best for ourselves as we would our children. Remember, we are all somebody’s baby. So treat yourself kindly and don’t force yourself to eat a diet that you wouldn’t naturally want to eat in the first place.
Love and Blessings!August 17, 2013 at 8:32 pm #11650
Charlie, if you don’t know that sugar is a toxin in high doses then maybe you need to go back to chemistry class. I’m not saying don’t eat sugar. I’m just saying that living off of such large amounts is hard on the body.
Positively, no I have not tried the diet in its rigorous form but I did try to start eating lots more fruit at one point. For some reason I don’t do well on fruit. Bananas, oranges, etc give me bad heartburn and leave me feeling sickly.August 17, 2013 at 8:57 pm #11651DavidModerator
Jdubs said: “Charlie, if you don’t know that sugar is a toxin in high doses then maybe you need to go back to chemistry class.”
What the hell does that even mean? For someone who presumes to have mastered chemistry class (???), you aren’t being very careful with your terms.
1) There are many different “sugars,” including glucose, which forms the bulk of calories in most human diets.
2) What is a “toxin,” chemically speaking? Explain the chemical route by which “sugar” produces these horrible things.
3) What specifically is a “high dose”? You need to be specific if you claim to have the science behind you.
I have no problem with people avoiding sugar, if they decide they feel better without it. Obviously, your personal experience with fruit is valid, but you don’t have the science to make the kinds of broad claims you’re making.
And I agree with you that a fruitarian diet is very unhealthy, but I don’t think it’s because “sugar” is a poison. It’s because the diet is woefully lacking in protein. Whether or not you eat sugar, anyone’s going to have problems eating 40 grams of protein a day (the amount in 30 medium bananas).August 17, 2013 at 11:54 pm #11658
I’m not jumping on the anti sugar bandwagon and weather you think so or not sugar has toxic properties in large doses. Your liver takes care of it for you just like when you drink a beer it takes care of and metabolizes the alcohol. If someone wants to eat thirty bananas a day and whole watermelons in one sitting more power to them. I’m just saying from my uneducated point of view it’s retarded. And I tire of people asking for links to science when you already have the Internet yourself. Do your on research if you don’t believe me. And no I’m not talking about Mercola or Lustig. I’m talking look up some actual real science on the subject. Just because I make a true statement such as sugar is a toxin is no reason to think I’m condemning it. I personally eat tons of it. Just like saying alcohol is toxic wont stop me from having a beer. Also I tend to agree with your point of view that sugars go better with protein which is why I am against the total fruitarian diet.August 17, 2013 at 11:58 pm #11659
And I may have been a little of base with the chemistry class thing since I have never had one myself but I get sick of fuck wads like Charlie that troll a site and say something like ” I didn’t read the thread but this guy above me is full of shit”. If your going to read a thread and join the conversation even with opposing views that’s fine but don’t scroll through cherry picking places to be a contrarian ass wipe.August 18, 2013 at 12:12 am #11660
And just to double check myself I did go and find a Harvard study as well as a couple other non health guru published articles that say fructose is a big problem for the liver. I stand corrected about the other sugars though. Fructose from real live fruit is actually harder on your liver than refined sugar or even high fructose corn syrup which everyone demonizes. Fructose also causes you to not get the satiation effect which is why some of the people on here that are wondering why they feel so hungry even after eating tons of fruit.
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