July 12, 2013 at 4:58 pm #8622
Thomas, I understand you felt they helped you sleep. That’s what they have been found to do. Did you have your sleep quality monitored and tested to determine if the meds actually gave you good quality sleep?July 13, 2013 at 2:59 pm #8775BauerPowerParticipant
Amajo, be aware that tyrosine usually gets people hyped. I would look into Taurine or something like L-theanine related just in case you are one of those normal people who respond to supplements like normal people do :)July 13, 2013 at 3:08 pm #8776sa230eParticipant
redm72, where did you find cyproheptadine? I haven’t been able to find it. Is it available over the counter?July 13, 2013 at 10:32 pm #8842redm72Participant
I’m in Australia and its not available OTC here, I think it’s sold as Periactin in the US?
I bought it from magic pharma.July 16, 2013 at 2:12 pm #9161lounieParticipant
When I don’t get enough sleep, I feel sick. My threshhold to not feel good is 7 hours. If I got 6 hours and 45 minutes, that 15 minutes of not sleeping was enough for me to feel sick the entire day, so even if a sleeping pill offered just a little more sleep, I would take it. However, before I took trazodone, there were many nights I only got 5 to six hours and some nights of just 4. After trazodone, I got many more nights of 7 hours – not every night, but more than without it so I guess I don’t fit that person for whom sleeping pills don’t help much. I was not forgetting something, had amnesia about sleeping, or didn’t perceiving something correctly about my body and sleep. I had insomnia for decades and as far as myself goes and my sleep habits- ain’t no one going to tell me that they are more of an expert.
Trazodone helped me sleep but didn’t work all of the time (I took traz for about 3 years). Now I take 100mg of SAM-e a couple times a week – I’ve stopped taking trazodone and benedryl and haven’t slept this well since my early 20s, I am in my late 40s now.
That is what worked for me. I have always thought enough sleep is about the most important thing health wise, so I am not ashamed that I had to rely on a prescription pill, though I’m really glad I don’t have to take it anymore – sleep without it is better than sleep with it but also sleep with it is better than not enough – at least for me.July 16, 2013 at 4:18 pm #9168ThomasSeayModerator
@lounie Your experience matches mine. I stopped taking Trazadone, because it wasn’t working as well, and I was worried about long-term effects. I don’t know if that was the right choice. It’s been about 3 years since I stopped taking anything. My sleep sucks but I can crow about being PURE :)
Now what prompted you to stop the trazadone and start taking the Sam-E. I have taken Sam-E and it doesn’t do any good for my sleep. In fact, it makes it worse. I am not doubting your success with it, just pointing out once again that one-size does not fit all…I wish, in this case, it did :)July 16, 2013 at 10:05 pm #9198VizzyCParticipant
Medicinal marijuana. It gets a ridiculously bad rap, but the advancements in medical marijuana are so great now. If you can find a good doctor who prescribes it, you can look for specific strains to help. For example, indica strains are well known for creating a deep calm, and relaxation. It’s commonly prescribed for insomnia. I live in Northern Cali, so I think I naturally have a little more progressive viewpoint, but it’s actually one the greatest plants ever given to the earth.July 16, 2013 at 10:59 pm #9209
Ah, I was wondering when medical marijuana was going to pop up in this forum :-)
Personally I am not an advocate because 1) I have concerns that it is another drug operating as a band-aid rather than addressing root causes, 2) it causes psychosis in a small percentage of people, and 3) it comes with a side effect of having to get high. But I know many people feel very differently about it.July 16, 2013 at 11:20 pm #9210VizzyCParticipant
Just so people know you do not have to get “high” from marijuana. It is an herb just like Valerian, California Poppy, Skullcap, etc. You can actually get a tincture strain THC specific, or ingest through a vaporizer that will not leave you feeling “stoned”. Their is a lot of misinformation about the hemp plant, due to overt smear campaigns created by the government during the 40’s that slandered this amazing plant.July 16, 2013 at 11:47 pm #9211ThomasSeayModerator
Amy, sorry but you seem to make a fetish out of being pure. A lot of people would love to be PURE, but unfortunately they have a disease for which there is not yet a real cure. So, the person has a choice: do they remain PURE and drag through life on little sleep (or whatever symptoms they might suffer) or do they find an imperfect palliative? Believe me, most people would prefer a cure, but sometimes that’s just not possible. There are people who have searched all there life for THE CURE and haven’t found it. Sure, sometimes the palliative has side-effects, but believe me, when you’re suffering and despite every effort have found no cure, you sometimes need to compromise and come up with an imperfect solution.
What is this PURITANISM that getting high is a “side-effect”? Sure, I don’t advocate driving or operating machinery when you’re high, but if you’re in your house or some place safe, what’s the big deal, if you enjoy getting high? Here’s a quote from Mencken that I love. “Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.July 17, 2013 at 8:09 am #9232amajo319Participant
I’m not afraid of using marijuana if I had to,but I wouldn’t know where to find it around here (well, maybe my nasty drug dealing neighbors would have some, but I’ve heard the street stuff is not the same as medicinal). I just wish they would legalize the damn stuff. Right now, I upped my does of rhodiola rosea and it’s helping a ton. And I’m a devout Catholic BTW….but I’ve done a lot of research and see marijuana
as a medicine when used correctly….a lot less harmful and more helpful than most medicines out there.July 17, 2013 at 9:42 am #9236
Vizzy, interesting you don’t have to get high. I was not aware of that. I was under the impression that with a vaporizer you get high – just a different high.
Thomas, who said I am pure? I know palliation can have benefits. Sometimes that small break can put you on a much better track. I always point out the issues, however, because I think in our Amercican society there is a major tendency toward bandaging instead of fixing, longterm. I do think being high every day (which sounded like it would be required if you want to treat insomnia with marijuana) is a problem – namely because it interferes with connecting properly with others.July 17, 2013 at 9:48 am #9238FinngarianParticipant
I took Unisom for years (not the diphenhydramine liquid caps one, but doxylamine succinate – the small, blue tablet, it comes in two forms). I would generally sleep fairly well with that.
Since I’ve gotten my body temp up, I don’t need that at all anymore. I used Unisom for over 14 years. I will take an Ambien if we are traveling, because I sleep poorly in strange beds. I’ve also used that in times of extreme stress, like when my best friend passed away last fall.
I have tried other things (herbal stuff, melatonin) with very little success. My doctor tried to tell me that I was waking up for the day between 2-4 am because I was having a cup of coffee at 8 am. She has no idea that I needed to just eat more. I can’t wait to see her for my physical and tell her what I’ve done!
I’m not saying that eating more will be the magical thing you need to do but getting my temps up to normal and eating more during the day sure has worked for me. It was literally such a shock to not need medication after so many years of never being able to sleep past 2-4 am.
Thomas, thank you for the post about puritanism. Sometimes, until a person finds what will work, that person just needs to do whatever helps them to function. I am a crying, snotting wreck without enough sleep, and I can’t be a good mother, or a good human being. So I took pills for a rather large chunk of my life. I didn’t know about this, and the alternative would have resulted in child abuse.July 17, 2013 at 9:48 am #9239
And BTW, my friends would laugh at the idea that I am some Puritan. Probably doesn’t come across here, but I do crazy things all the time and think life is supposed to be fun. I’ve just seen way too many bad side effects from longterm palliative meds (mostly in my family) that interfere with having a good quality of life.July 17, 2013 at 9:22 pm #9333sa230eParticipant
I’ve only had luck with antihistamines and it doesn’t take me long to build up a tolerance. I usually take Benadryl or Gravol which is what is easily available around here. I’d like to try Periactin but more because of its antiserotonergic properties than it’s hypnotic properties.
I was once prescribed Zopiclone. Even two pills (15mg) would do nothing to put me to sleep. Does leave you feeling kind of drunk, though. It’s hard to balance and my legs felt very heavy. It also leaves a strong metallic taste in the mouth that’s quite nasty.
I once tried Melatonin and it kept me up with terrible gas and stomach pains. Not really gung-ho about trying it again.
I’ve found Valerian Root and “sleep hygiene” techniques to be completely ineffective as well.
Diet-wise, I’ve just come off all food restrictions except lactose and sleep is getting worse for me. Going to have to figure out why that is.
I haven’t had a good sleep where I felt refreshed upon waking since high-school. I always sleep long and deeply but never feel rested and I feel groggy and disoriented when I wake up and it persist for a few hours after waking. I just feel like I’m not being rested and healed and I’m gradually burning myself out. It’s making it impossible to concentrate at school or hold a job down. So I am royally screwed.
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