January 2, 2014 at 5:55 am #14439brainacidParticipant
@Scott_Schlegel Thats like 2g of salt and Matt was recommending 6g-30g daily. I have been taking at least 2-2.5 teaspoons. If its working for you thats awesome. How do you tell if its working? Im excited to learn more about all this. I appreciate your time in replying.January 3, 2014 at 12:39 am #14445
@brainacid if you have a high metabolism and eat regularly, your body may wake you up like Matt Stone’s hummingbird to eat. Some people stress about peeing in the night or waking up. It doesn’t bother me because I sleep soundly the four hours (on both sides) straddling that wake-up. Babies take naps all the time and wake up regularly for body functions – they have super metabolisms. One could make a case that a person’s blood sugar is permanently too high due to muscle catabolism / fat burning if they can sleep completely through the night.
I keep my thermostat very high to limit energy loss due to just trying to stay warm at night. I’d rather my energy be used for healing or so I can sleep longer without needing exogenous glucose. People wonder how I sleep at high temps, but the body adapts. Most Europeans live without AC.
Anyways, if “its” working depends on your goals. I aim to maintain muscle mass, body temp, suppress acne / hair loss and keep optimal hormone levels. Muscle mass / body fat are easy to examine. Body hair and ear hair are easy ways to monitor hormone imbalances. Temperature I try to always stay above 98 and a pulse rate around 70 – 80.January 3, 2014 at 6:02 am #14452brainacidParticipant
@Scott_Schlegel That makes sense. I aim to maintain muscle, burn fat and keep optimal hormone levels. I sleep really good and was stressing about waking up but what you said makes me feel better about it. I learned something and I appreciate that. Thanks for replying bro.January 3, 2014 at 1:29 pm #14454dsoheiParticipant
I’m interested in trying high dose b6. Any form is fine? What’s a good range for a very active 180lb 6ft male?
Lately I’ve been shocked awake by cold temps, pain, and hunger even after eating all day to the point of bloating (I’ve a long history of IBS that’s mostly reversed by eating 180, but still have issues such as not feeling good unless I eat 2lbs of grass fed meat a day)
After I get out of bed, eat and move around, I feel better but then cannot go back to sleep, so I’m becoming terribly deprived. I can’t afford this to continue, thanksJanuary 3, 2014 at 2:38 pm #14456StephanieMichelleParticipant
Scott, I’m interested in your thoughts on Vitamin A and metabolism. I took two rounds of Accutane and found that I looked the best I ever had. Besides my skin being great, my hair was shiny and I lost a few pounds (nothing major and I didn’t need to to begin with). I know Accutane can really dry people up, but it didn’t affect me too badly. I wonder if I should start taking vitamin A since my hair is kind of dull right now. I’d love to hear what you think.January 3, 2014 at 6:10 pm #14462DutchieParticipant
The testimony of the guy eating 6000Cals.daily on an obvious Peat-inspired diet is nice to read, however it’s always young guys that can showcase these results which makes me assume that women(especially not teenaqge girls) and older men in general can’t get away with eating so much daily.For most women it’s already a miracle if they can consume 3000 without gaining fat.
Also the author states that excess calories don’t get stored so easily and used for energy or other bodily functions and that we should trust ‘our cravings’ and foods we like eating. Well,from my own experience I can tell it doesn’t always work that way.January 3, 2014 at 6:30 pm #14464Matt StoneKeymaster
Dutchie… I wouldn’t jump to such quick and definite conclusions. A girl I communicate with eats very similarly to Scott, but consumes a lot MORE calories (closer to 10,000 daily) and is much leaner. Of course, she trains very hard to obtain this type of physique.
Not saying you or anyone should try to mimic her diet or lifestyle. But it’s important that you don’t limit your thinking or make big gender generalizations like that.January 3, 2014 at 6:35 pm #14465Matt StoneKeymaster
As for waking up to pee in the night…
I don’t think it’s a huge deal, but it tends to arise and worsen as metabolic rate falls, with increasingly-severe symptoms the lower metabolic rate gets. It’s not something you are likely to eradicate overnight, but seeing that the tendency improves over time is a positive sign I’d say.
Stress hormones are highly catabolic, and prevent lean tissue from being built. I think those that eat a lot but can’t gain any weight–and are actually underweight, shows excessive activity of the sympathetic nervous system similar to what would be observed while taking high doses of stimulants. Metabolic rate in the traditional sense may be high, but it is not driven by the thyroid but most likely by excessive adrenal activity, which can actually atrophy the thyroid. When these hormones are lowered successfully, anabolism is much more easily achieved. It also reveals a pretty sluggish metabolic rate underneath all that.January 3, 2014 at 6:43 pm #14466DutchieParticipant
@Matt I didnt mean for it to come across as a generilazation. It was just more my own personal frustration by people writing on several forums that you should ‘trust your cravings and or eat what makes you feel good.” etc.,bc it’s not as black&white like that.
The woman in the picture(though I assume she’s still fairly young) is seriously awesome looking! Do you think she’d be willing that I can contact her?I’d very much like to know more about her workout-routine,what she eats,how she started etc.January 3, 2014 at 9:13 pm #14476
@Dutchie, I remember reading stuff people would say to do and think “that’s great that works for you” especially in my low carb and herbal days. You’re right, I have no idea what it’s like to be a female, but I suspect the typically higher body fat content causes more aromatase expression (forms more estrogen). Eat raw carrots frequently, keep your vitamin E and magnesium intake adequate to oppose this. But these are just details again that you could say work or don’t work. Just trying to help.
As for me, I’m 30. One half of my family has diabetes and thyroid issue history, the other half obesity and heart disease. If my theories on epigenetics are correct, northern Europeans (I’m Norwegian and German) have the strongest HPA stress axis and therefore, probably the best ability to use protein and fat for energy to enable survival. This would mean I probably have some of the worst genes for a sexy, lean physique.January 3, 2014 at 9:20 pm #14478
@StephanieMichelle, Per Roddy and Peat, Vitamin A (not from beta-carotene) combines with LDL cholesterol and Thyroid hormone T3 (from liver’s conversion of T4) to form pregnenolone which forms (progesterone-> cortisol-> aldosterone) and (DHEA->testosterone->estrogen.)
If you aren’t getting adequate Vitamin A, you likely are deficient in pregnenolone and therefore, progesterone and DHEA, two youth associated hormones. As other writers talk about, cortisol and estrogen interfere with metabolism meaning you have to try keeping it in the “sweet spot.”
Progesterone, according to Roddy, is what makes women’s hair luxurious in pregnancy.
I don’t recommend supplementing with individual hormones due to potential imbalances. Beef liver is a good source of pre-formed Vitamin A. There is something called Nutrisorb-A that works well if you don’t eat enough dairy, red meat, liver, etc.
Vitamin A DOES increase photosensitivity (maybe good for Vitamin D formation?) and can cause blindness in extreme amounts. Be careful.January 3, 2014 at 9:57 pm #14480StephanieMichelleParticipant
Thanks for the response. I’m not sure I buy Danny Roddy’s progesterone theory. My hair was complete shit during pregnancy, and I thought the ‘luxurious’ hair was due to a slowing of the hairs’ natural cycle, so less hair falls out resulting in thicker hair. I drink tons of milk and do it beef sometimes. I refuse to eat liver. I won’t mess with Vitamin A, doesn’t seem worth it. Thanks!January 4, 2014 at 8:09 am #14485TeddyOParticipant
Not sure why, but I can post here but I am unable to access the newsletters.January 4, 2014 at 1:21 pm #14491Fon2d2Participant
Can anybody explain the Respiratory Quotient described in Scott Schlegel’s article? I’m not completely understanding what it is, why it’s important, or why a higher RQ is better. Is that foods with a higher RQ equate to a higher BMR? Wikipedia has this quote: “An RQ may rise above 1.0 for an organism burning carbohydrate to produce or “lay down” fat (for example, a bear preparing for hibernation).” I take it more oxygen in the food means less oxygen required from the atmosphere, which results in higher CO2 eliminated (to the atmosphere) to O2 consumed (from the atmosphere)? This somehow equates to metabolic rate?January 4, 2014 at 4:45 pm #14493
@Fon2d2, I’m not sure if RQ is important, and don’t understand why/how a bear preparing for hibernation would increase it. I know Ray Peat says due to long periods between breaths during sleep, the body concentrates CO2 which is protective of the organism.
Here is why I find it interesting. Ray Peat is huge on CO2 levels.
As I understand it, when the body burns glucose with adequate oxygen, it produces CO2 at a 1:1 ratio. I’m not sure if Citric Acid or Malic acid can be metabolized for energy which would skip a few steps of the Citric Acid cycle required for glucose metabolism. If they are, they are oxygen dense so can release even more CO2 to the body. Higher serum CO2 levels (if my basic understanding is correct) would dilate blood vessels for better circulation, and help facilitate a higher body temperature which would equate to a higher metabolic rate.
I’m not sure if it can, but maybe CO2 can be broken down to form O2 in the body when respiration/dietary sources don’t supply adequate exogenous O2. This compares to Lactic Acid which is formed when respiration / dietary sources of oxygen (like fatty acids or alcohol in my chart) aren’t high enough. Roddy says lactic acid is toxic to the body.
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