July 8, 2013 at 5:06 pm #7774Matt StoneKeymaster
(posted by Thomas Seay)
Who wants to join me? It’s time to take off the gloves.July 8, 2013 at 5:26 pm #7785Julia GummMember
I can dig it. Shoot.July 8, 2013 at 7:50 pm #7810
Whats the deal? You think he’s a quack or what??July 8, 2013 at 8:02 pm #7812Matt StoneKeymaster
I think Ray’s research is really elaborate, fascinating, and important; however, I find that he is one of the easiest and most enjoyable people on earth to ridicule.
You start Thomas and I shall follow. Perhaps we should discuss this over bananas and LSD chasers to offset the serotonin.July 9, 2013 at 2:47 pm #7915
Ok. so I like the idea of LSD. In the right context, I think it’s a great drug. Seriously.
There is that quote from the great Green Bay Packer Vince Lombardi, “Winning isn’t everything, it’s the ONLY thing.”
Now for Ray Peat, it’s “The Thyroid isn’t everything, it’s the only thing”. Well, that and serotonin.
This leads to some weird shit. I discovered Ray Peat before he became so popular and had some consultations with him. Please don’t try to tell me he doesn’t throw T3 at everything, because he does. Might work for some people, but sorry, this stuff shouldn’t be taken without supervision. I had some bad reactions to it and other people have had worse. Look, I know that people need to take personal responsibility for their health, but he needs to keep in mind that there are some desperate people who are looking for answers to their health problems and they are going to try anything he recommends. He needs to be more responsible, too.
I also think it’s funny when people start talking about how healthy he looks for his age. People jump to inflate his age, too. Look, he looks ok for his age (which I estimate to be in his 70s, but I know some 70-year-olds that look healthier). His voice sounds weak to me.
Except for helping me break through my sugar phobia (thanks!) I got no benefit from his diet. None. Zero. I tried the T3, I tried the pregnenolone, I drank orange juice and milk til it was coming out of my ass.
You got all of your serial orthorexics pledging allegiance to the guy right now. Wonder when that tide is going to break!July 9, 2013 at 5:17 pm #7960
Can someone explain to me how sugar is ok? I am really having a hard time wrapping my brain around this one…July 9, 2013 at 5:43 pm #7976July 9, 2013 at 5:45 pm #7977RobModerator
Here’s an article to start with to put the pro-sugar sentiment in context: http://180degreehealth.com/2012/12/how-to-strengthen-bones-and-teeth-with-white-sugarJuly 9, 2013 at 8:36 pm #8036RenaeParticipant
I only know Ray Peat through reading Danny Roddy’s blog, but Danny seemed to be recommending a diet consisting of orange juice, milk, coffee, liver, and shredded carrots. Um, no thanks.July 10, 2013 at 1:06 am #8080MilaMonsterParticipant
His work makes me paranoid.
Thoughts on PUFAs, anyone? I’m totally afraid to eat out anywhere because of them (I’m getting over it, but the guilt sneaks in).
Also, NOBODY (FPS, Andrew Kim, Danny Roddy) has been able to explain why fruit makes me ravenously hungry, even after a full meal of protein and fat. I can’t eat fruit because I guess I have that damn ‘fructose intolerance’ or whatever. Thus I have to eat starchy carbs for glucose (rice, which I’m sick of) (ed recovery here, 15 months strong on MinnieMaud guidelines)…they gave me no answers for not being able to tolerate fruit. Oh yeah, and it’s crap for my digestion…any more than a serving or two, and yikes.July 10, 2013 at 1:23 am #8085OldMateParticipant
Ray peats philosophies helped get me back on the carbs. It didn’t all work for me, i think it made me more obsessive and paranoid. I think it’s great to be aware of his info, but its easy to fall into the neurotic obsession trap. I felt like I couldn’t leave home because I had to have my ‘metabolism healing’ foods. And how would I ever travel again unless I went to a tropical region (not so bad I guess).
You think it’s still worth having the raw carrot daily?July 10, 2013 at 12:01 pm #8139
Haha Renae- don’t forget the coke! I completely agree, life is not worth living if that’s all I’m going to ingest for the rest of it.
OldMate- I find the raw carrot salad makes me nauseated and gives me loose stools. I probably have some digestion issues after coming off Paleo is my guess.
How did you all add your photo? I try to edit my profile and see no options for adding a photo….July 10, 2013 at 12:46 pm #8152RenaeParticipant
Cookin – Ah, that’s right, I forgot the coke! That’s more restrictive than paleo!
You can add your photo at http://www.gravatar.comJuly 10, 2013 at 12:47 pm #8153
@Milamonster: One of the posters Sean C. is doing some research into PUFAs and believes it might depend on the quality and the individual. He writes a little about it in some of his comments in the link below, but I hope to hear more from him on this:
http://180degreehealth.com/2013/06/cancer-and-fat-budwig-protocol-vs-gerson-therapyJuly 10, 2013 at 2:48 pm #8175MilaMonsterParticipant
@ OldMate & cookin, the raw carrot makes me famished the same way fruit does. Weird. Plus coconut oil makes me nauseated (it didn’t used to)… @ thomas, thanks for the link, I’ll look at it
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