July 15, 2013 at 5:09 pm #9062
Hi everyone. I started following Matt’s advice back in October. Within about two months my temps rose from 95.5 to about 97.9. However, it’s gone nowhere since then. I occasionally (depending on where I’m at in my cycle) reach above 98.0, but never in the morning and never above 98.5. In the last month I’ve gained about ten pounds and since my period returned about five months ago my hormones have been a mess. I am breastfeeding a fifteen month old and she’s not a great sleeper but I do take an almost daily nap. I don’t do much exercise other than walking because of a back injury.
I don’t have a thyroid but I’m on Armour.
To be honest, the only positive thing that’s come of this is I can once again eat wheat without having anxiety attacks and mood swings.
The weight gain (which didn’t really start until about a month ago) is triggering some body issues I thought I had dealt with a long time ago and I find myself growing depressed and anxious over it. I’m also concerned, because of my thyroid disease, that maybe my temps will never normalize and I will have to restrict food to maintain a healthy weight.
Advice or thoughts?July 15, 2013 at 5:46 pm #9065LindaParticipant
Kim, you have been at this longer than I have so I am sorry to hear that you are stuck. I have been doing this for 5 months. I was able to raise my morning temp up from 96.7 to 97.7 after 2 months, but that is where I still am. I am older than you so not dealing with the same issues, but I do have trouble sleeping. I also have gained too much weight & really hate it. I have come to the conclusion that if I don’t get the sleep I will never get past this. Very depressing! Maybe it helps to know you aren’t the only one? I am sure others (Matt) will respond with something positive.July 16, 2013 at 2:26 am #9113
I’m in the same boat, breastfeeding a 16 month old and not sleeping because I’m being awakened by the kids and then too wired to fall back to sleep. I have only been doing it for 1 month and I have just given up. I have gained 7 kg/15 lbs in a month and that’s where I said enough. Matt said that not sleeping will make put on more fat and by breastfeeding, your metabolism is further compromised. So why temp the fate? I was fairly happy before, had some minor issues that I will just put down to age and will focus on something else for now. I took some good points from this program, like limiting my liquid and just generally resting even if I can’t sleep and I stopped taking my temperatures as of yesterday because I don’t want to stress myself over it. I think that if I was sleeping and not breastfeeding the results would have been different. I can’t however continue not knowing what weight I will ballon up to and causing myself a great deal of stress and anxiety. So I am just eating more carefully now, certainly not doing anything crazy, hoping the weigh will slowly fall off and hoping even more weight will fall off once I wean my babe off. Thanks for sharing your story, you have confirmed my belief that I have made a good decision stopping this program.July 16, 2013 at 9:26 am #9129
Well, that’s just really disappointing. I’m kind of at a loss. My husband doesn’t want me to go back to what I was doing. I spent nearly our entire marriage obsessed with being thin and going on one extreme diet or another. I’m afraid if I go back to restricting calories it will send me right back into disordered eating. If I keep gaining weight, though, and see no benefits in health I’m going to end up back there anyway. I wish I could say I’m okay with gaining weight but I’m not there. Right now I’m at the weight I was before I lost 30 pounds and went off the deep end so yeah…I’m kind of freaking out.July 16, 2013 at 9:58 am #9135j-loParticipant
As someone with a long history of disordered eating and many, many failed attempts to correct course, I feel very strongly that my own key to success has been persistence and commitment to seeing it through no matter what bumps in the road. From my perspective, having spent 20 years starving myself, a 2.5 degree increase, even if it has “stalled out” is HUGE! I understand that 9 months of “stalled out” temperatures can be disappointing, but my thought is to “keep your eye on the prize.” The changes aren’t entirely linear with this process. And weight gain can be part of it. If you’ve restricted for a long time then weight gain is both inevitable and also, in my opinion, an inherent part of the healing process. Not only is it an opportunity to heal physically, but also emotionally. Those of us who have treated our bodies so badly and developed distorted views of normalcy and health and feeling good (restricted eating creates starvation highs because of stress hormones) need to reset everything. We can’t afford to feel the way we used to feel when restricting since that is part of the problem. We have to reorient to what it feels like to be actually healthy. It’s a process. We have to learn to love ourselves and our bodies no matter what. We have to learn to stop obsessing over these little details that ultimately are insignificant. We have to learn what is truly important – things like our families, life, the natural world, sunrises, and beauty – rather than all the sensations and thoughts and obsessions we used to focus on. That’s my two cents. I’d say focus on the benefits and see it through. What you did before didn’t work. You know that. Remember that. Be willing to do something different, even if it is uncomfortable for a while. Because the benefits far outweigh the discomfort. For me there is no question. I’ve gotten to a point where the discomforts are far less than they were for a while, and more often than not I feel good and grateful for the choice to see this through.July 16, 2013 at 10:40 am #9140
I get what you’re saying and I recognize the wisdom in it but even when I was most severely restricting my calories and over exercising I was a healthy weight and I felt great and looked great. I’ve gone up a dress size with each of my three children and now, with this ten pound weight gain, I’ve pushed into double digits and am overweight.
If I’m to keep going with this I need to know it’s not futile because of my lack of a thyroid and I also have no idea how to separate my self worth from my body size. It’s so superficial and I’m pretty down to earth in most things but this is just such a struggle for me and I have no idea how to overcome it. I guess that’s a question for the eating disorder forum. For now I most need to know if my metabolism and weight will stabilize if my thyroid can never be healed. I also want to know why the heck it’s been nine months and I’ve seen so little progress.July 16, 2013 at 10:41 am #9141
And J-lo, I appreciate the time and thought you put into your response. Thank you. :)July 16, 2013 at 10:41 am #9142LindaParticipant
Kim, I know how you feel. You might have to make adjustment in what/how you are eating, but I don’t recommend restricting food at all. I determined that I am stuck at not sleeping thru the night. You may have other issues/ stresses going on that you need to address. From what I have read, especially on Matt’s blog, I think losing the weight is the last thing to happen after you find a way to reduce stress.I don’t know if I have finished gaining weight & I already grew out of my clothes. I bought 1 pair of shorts, a few tops & wear my hubby’s exercise shorts for now. Who knows how long they will fit. I was hoping to be “cured” by now. Then I hoped I would be “cured” by the fall. Now I sometimes feel like giving up, but I can’t do that. That’s why I look at other ideas, like what Lianda says. Go to Matt’s home page & read her post today.July 16, 2013 at 3:13 pm #9165KristiParticipant
Ladies, I’m not in your same situation with breastfeeding and not sleeping…but, I’ve been there, done that with 3 kids! For many years, I didn’t think I’d ever sleep through the night again and I couldn’t WAIT to lose weight. I hope Matt does weigh in on this post at some point, but I wanted to encourage both of you to just focus on eating plenty of food to both feed your babies sufficiently and to feed yourselves sufficiently. I also want to encourage you to stay the course, as J-Lo did above, regardless of the bumps in the road. I’m taking my own advice here, too, as I’m experiencing my own bumps in the road (peeing like crazy, headache, and cold hands/feet/nose today, for some reason). I read in the Trusting Your Body II post yesterday that too many people stop at “179 Degrees” and miss out on the health and body fat improvements they could have had because they jumped ship just a little too soon. Hang in there!!July 16, 2013 at 3:36 pm #9167
Thanks for the encouragement, Kristi! I definitely don’t want to bail just moments before finding health and balance. At what point do you say, “this isn’t working anymore”, though? It’s hard to trust our bodies when we’ve abused them for so long and we’re unsure if our bodies even know which way is up.July 16, 2013 at 4:42 pm #9170
Kim, one more thought. I am not really restricting calories, perhaps you should look into “health at every size.” It’s a book and the author has an internet site as well and it is about intuitive eating, stopping the war with out bodies. It is not about stuffing your face, but about eating what you want, as much as you want and whenever you want. So you don’t necessarily have to eat salt and sugar and starch as some sort of prescription but you allow yourself to eat exactly what you want, totally relying on biofeedback. And who could be the best teacher than your own body. So maybe stop measuring your temperatures because it easily becomes obsessive and rather focus on trusting your body that is knows what’s best. And what’s the difference between Matt’s program and this? With Matt’s program unfortunately I have stopped relying on my biofeedback and was trying to push my temperatures up by eating too much and always salt with everything. I wasn’t enjoying it as my body was screaming for some fruit as an example, but instead I had some sweet biscuits and corn chips because I though that’s what I should have. So I really have only myself to blame. If I had followed my instincts perhaps I would’t have gained all this extra weight.July 16, 2013 at 4:43 pm #9171
Kristi, thanks for your thoughts. Sometimes it feels like I’m the only not sleeping…July 16, 2013 at 5:46 pm #9180bnowell724Participant
It does seem like attempting this process without getting sleep is a bad idea. Won’t it just backfire? Maybe these ladies should back off from it until they know they can get proper sleep?July 17, 2013 at 10:29 am #9242
Scarlettsmum- I never really overate or focused on eating salt to the exclusion of fruit or something else I wanted. Honestly, other than limiting water and “health” foods (big salads, smoothies for meals etc) I’ve just allowed myself to actually eat those things Matt says is restorative (Salt, sat. fat, starch and sugar). I hadn’t really eaten any of those things in a long time so eating a biscuit or homemade pancakes or ice cream was a HUGE deal for me. :) I still eat fruit if I want it and have let go of the “I must eat this over that because it’s healthier” mentality.
I read Health at every size and put it down about half way through. I don’t think I was ready to embrace the whole concept that my body knew what it needed. I’ve always been at war with it so accepting that I could trust it was too big a step for me. I need to pick it back up.
Thanks for your thoughts. I hope we can figure this all out!July 17, 2013 at 10:43 am #9243
Kim, I sometimes find that our own body is not always clear in what it needs, I agree. However sometimes the craving is so strong, it is unmistakable. I find that when my stress system is activated I never crave salt, yet strangly it always helps. Also cheese doesn’t really do it for me as I have just found out in the last couple of days as much as salty biscuits do. And I don’t need many, just a handful. However, it doesn’t help for long, half an hour later my stress system is activated again. Frustrating. And I don’t even do eat for heat any longer, but it helped me tremendously to realise what are all these weird moods and when I’m stressed and what to do about it. I just wish my racing heart would go away now….sigh I think motherhood and breastfeeding seriously messes up women’s hormones! For the last 4 years I have been pregnant, breastfeeding to pregnant again to breastfeeding. And I have tried to lose the weight too fast and now I regret for being so hard on myself.
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