July 6, 2013 at 8:46 pm #7418BiomechParticipant
I wasn’t sure where to post this but seeing as there is a couple of post about pee already I guess this makes this as good a place as any.
I’ve managed to boost my body tempature over the last 5 months along with gaining 25lbs which I’m not crazy about. My main problem seems to peeing at night . As of Monday I’m going to start reaaly decreasing my fluid intake to see what happens.
My question is what are the mechanisms behind the nighttime peeing? I’m a firm beleiver that for the most part the body doesn’t do anything unsolicited. So why is the body getting rid of fluid? Is it in an effort to maintaiin body tempature? I’ve heard a phosphorus to calcium ratio mentioned . Also adreniline.
I’m wondering what kind of hormonal component is present. I came off propecia 3 years ago and my body and been on roller coaster like shit storm ever since. I’ve read that some people coming off this drug are also experiencing the same thing. I’m afraid I may have compouded the issue by following a low carb with lots of greens and protien like diet.
I’m really curious to see if anyone can enlighten me on this one.
Also what the deal with foamy urine?July 6, 2013 at 10:58 pm #7449
Unfortunately if the foam is very tight and small bubbles almost like a head on beer that could be a sign of diabetes. I have foamy pee with bigger bubbles and get up three to as much as six times a night to pee. I had my prostate checked and its good and I’m pretty sure I’m not even as much as per diabetic. It really does suck and is annoying as well as not good for your health due to washed out minerals and cellular metabolism issues etc. I was recently digging through some back posts on here and Matt had some good stuff on the peeing too much thing but at the moment my brain is fried and I don’t remember much. I’ll try to look it back up and I’ll check back in. I’d like to see what others have to sayJuly 6, 2013 at 11:54 pm #7455CazParticipant
jdubs, have you stopped drinking water when you aren’t thristy?July 7, 2013 at 1:53 am #7471
I have always drank an excess of water. I have to sip water all night long because I am always dry and thirsty.I have recently started intentionally reducing my water intake and have noticed some difference. Matt was saying somewhere about over hydration leading to thirst and dry mouth as well as glucose and fluid imbalance at a cellular level. In short I have a feeling that over hydration may be a problem for me.July 7, 2013 at 2:37 am #7484Matt StoneKeymaster
There are multiple mechanisms going on. If it only happens at night and not at other times it’s likely that adrenaline is primarily responsible. It is diuretic in nature and will cause you to pee even if your bladder isn’t even full. If you’ve ever had to pee really bad and only spilt a few dribbles that’s a sure sign. It probably has something to do with the interrelationship between adrenaline and vasopressin, aka anti-diuretic hormone (ADH).
Still, proper regulation of fluid intake can really help. Then you get better sleep, which helps further improve your metabolic rate, which further lowers adrenaline peaks.July 7, 2013 at 2:41 pm #7535
Thanks Matt, I am still in the beginning of all of this and only just recently read your article on over hydration. It never dawned on me how many symptoms and how much impact something as rarely thought about as over hydration can have. I have started regulating my fluid intake and am monitoring the results.July 8, 2013 at 3:02 pm #7742VizzyCParticipant
Research an adrenal hormone called “aldosterone”. Once I learned about this it gave me a lot more insight into my frequent urination. I can tell how my adrenals are doing by how much I’m urinating, unrelated to diet. I notice if I’m somewhat stressed before I go to bed I will wake up to use the bathroom. Of course foods play a major role as well. Reduction in carbs, and excessive protein consumption are big diuretics.July 8, 2013 at 3:38 pm #7749mighty mParticipant
What if you wake up with “classic” adrenaline-type stuff* but don’t particularly need to pee? Same problem basically? Or different?
If I can’t get back to sleep right away, I’ll need to pee eventually, but it isn’t the need to pee that wakes me up, per se.
This problem has gotten better the more I eat and ease up on exercise, but I haven’t completely kicked it. It started about 8 months into an ill-advised grain-free period; boy do I regret doing that.
* by “classic” adrenaline-type stuff, I mean: waking up ~3 hours after going to sleep and in the midst of unpleasantly restless dreams, hyper-alert, sometimes racing pulse, sometimes hungry.July 8, 2013 at 4:18 pm #7759VizzyCParticipant
Mighty M, that is classic adrenaline type of stuff. Your cortisol might be too high at night. Look at Ashwaganda, that’s a very good herb for regulating your cortisol, and helping you calm down. I’m also a fan of marijuana, but some people don’t like to try it.July 8, 2013 at 4:23 pm #7761
A few months back I was having night sweats and cold hands and feet and really low body temps etc. so I am assuming that these were signs of adreanal issues( along with total fatigue accompanied by short spurts of energy). These things are leveling out a bit, hopefully as things get better the night time peeing issues will resolve too. When your already fatigued getting up all night certainly doesn’t help. Last night I was only up three times and I consider that better. That doesn’t include the couple of trips right before bed or the one immediately upon rising. I’m not too bad during the day. It does start to pick up in the evening though. I know when I mentioned the night sweats and cold hands and feet to my doctor he just looked up from his clipboard for a minute then looked back down without saying anything. When I mentioned extreme fatigue to the point of causing me to basically quit my job ( I’m a sub contractor so I basically just stopped taking on new work until I know I won’t shit out in the middle of a job) he offered me a prescription of Wellbutrin, which is essentially speed. I said no thanks.July 8, 2013 at 8:11 pm #7814NotherbyParticipant
Hi all, just a couple of things in response…I read somewhere (and I don’t remember where) that foamy urine was indicative of a high level of protein in the urine. If you’ve had a complete blood workup lately, perhaps check the results of the GFR test, and if it looks abnormal, speak to your doc.
Also, high cortisol at night can sometimes be helped by taking 3-5mg of melatonin. Apparently as cortisol decreases during the evening (under “normal” circumstances) melatonin increases, and in the morning, melatonin is low and cortisol is higher. Melatonin is cheap so it won’t hurt to try it.
Hope I’m not speaking out of turn. I’m new here, but these are just a few things I learned from hanging out on a thyroid forum a few years back.
JaneJuly 8, 2013 at 9:06 pm #7828
Will try that. Thanks!July 17, 2013 at 10:32 pm #9349BiomechParticipant
Thanks for the input everyone. My biggest problem is I just can’t stop drinking liquids. I’ve tried buying smaller containers of OJ and milk. If I have a day where I’m good I can’t seem to control myself the next . I just gulp away.
It’s funny I have the control to watch what I eat or not eat at all but I can’t stay away from liquids . I’m getting thirsty just typing this post.July 17, 2013 at 10:51 pm #9352
Biomech, I think the o.j. And milk is fine because your getting some nourishment from them. In the last couple weeks I’ve cut out large glasses of water with meals and now only sip a bit when I really need it to get the food down. When my mouth gets dry I just rinse and spit and I have stopped drinking tea. I’ve noticed a big difference in the way I feel and I’m down to only getting up once a night to pee. I still drink a good bit of milk and some fruit juices during the day but cutting out all the water has made a difference. Don’t get me wrong, if I’m really feeling a thirst for some water I’ll drink a glass down but before I was drinking large amounts every time I had a little dry mouth. I thought I was doing myself some good.
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