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    I thought I had gotten over that, but when I am at the grocery store I still pretty much avoid the gmo/chemical crap. I have been buying white bread because I am tired of homemade sourdough. Just don’t want it all the time. And once in a while even bought pastries at the bakery dept. They use soybean or canola in everything. I don’t worry about the food at family’s homes, just when I am cooking at home. So tomorrow is grocery day. Trying to make my list and not worry about what’s in the stuff. This should probably be in the food thread but I am still stuck with low temps, too much belly fat & just not feeling good.


    Me too Linda, it’s frustrating. I still can’t bring myself to eat the highly processed conventional stuff either. I don;t see that as a bad thing though, as long as you’re getting enough calories and carbs. I load up on organic russet potatoes with butter and organic kettle brand potato chips. I also make my own ice cream. Cheeses are really good for calories too. I also have baked apples and bananas with loads of maple syrup dumped on top. Full fat yogurt with maple syrup is good too.

    I spent alot of time going through hell with detoxes, so I sure as heck don’t want to put that crap back in my body! I feel you can absolutely RRARF without eating the chemical crap. Don’t feel bad about that.

    It takes awhile to undo years of damage..I often have to remind myself of this as well :)


    I agree that you don’t have to eat the chemical stuff to recover. I think the overall thing that’s so healing is not to stress about what you’re eating. When I shop for my own groceries I try to avoid GMOs and high fructose corn syrup and the like and I buy local, organic as much as possible. I think it’s awesome that you don’t worry about eating at other people’s houses. That is very freeing for me too. I don’t worry about it when I’m eating out either except if I eat out consistently. I just don’t want to eat factory farmed meat or canola oil on a usual basis. But I think it’s totally fine to avoid certain things for your own home.

    However, when I was first recovering I did buy certain things that I never ate such as candy (that had high fructose corn syrup) and other things. Now I just notice that I’d rather eat some good chocolate that I know all the ingredients.

    Do you notice that you feel good when you eat certain things? It might be nice to buy whatever you want and what makes you feel the best. How long have you been eating the food and recovering? It’s frustrating but it can take a while to feel better. I think it’s great to try and push yourself to get over orthorexia but I honestly don’t think it’s a problem to look on the back of products that will be in your home and avoid chemicals/GMOs. I am not an expert and so this may be wrong and if looking at ingredients is stopping you from eating enough calories than by all means don’t look and just buy whatever you’d like:) I think the main point is to eat enough calories.


    I started eat for heat in Feb. For a while I was trying to count the calories just to make sure I was getting enough. I was guessing & trying to look it up online so I don’t know how accurate that was. I eat whole fat foods and this summer lots of ice cream. I buy a brand with pretty good ingredients. Yes there are some foods that make me feel great. When it’s good I really enjoy eating it. I have just been so stuck this summer not getting anywhere that I thought I might need to just eat the crap stuff. Matt has said sometimes it’s necessary. Thanks Shannon & saisrice. I have come to the conclusion that it will take me a very long time to recover. But I HATE for people to see me like this!


    I have been eating the processed crap, and I believe it is working. There are still a lot of things I will stay away from, and I know when my body is in a better place I will cut down on the processed junk. But for now I think I need it. I just cant seem to get enough calories in if I don’t. However I do beat myself up over it a bit sometimes because what Im eating isn’t ‘ethical’, and sometimes still wonder if I am killing myself by doing this… But there are plenty of great success stories on this website, as well as plenty of people around me who ‘eat the food’ who are in good health and are happy.. so why cant I?

    Due to the amount of calories I am eating, when I wasn’t eating junk/processed foods I felt like I didn’t have time for a life outside of preparing all my food. And I just got sick of eating sooo much damn food and never feeling satisfied or warm.

    I dont eat junk all the time, and I still have staples that I rely on throughout my day, but to be honest I am enjoying the most is not having to prepare all my food, or taking it with me anytime I go anywhere. Chilling the F*&$ out and trying not to think about “food” all the god damn time. I think this is a big part of it.

    Its not going to happen over night unfortunately, and the more I think about how long recovery is going to be the more I dig myself into a psychological trap, and stress and worry about how I look, or what others think about how I look, or what they think about what I eat. But F*&$ what everyone thinks. Take one day at a time. We’ll get there!

    If something isn’t working, its time to try something new.


    “I HATE for people to see me like this.” ME, TOO!!!!! I’ve been a “just eat real food” person eating gluten-/grain-free for a long time, and I was thin (never “skinny,” but a comfortable “happy” weight”) for all that time, too. After learning more and more about metabolism, I realized how tanked mine was! My hair was falling out, I was cold a lot, I couldn’t sleep, I was peeing all the time, I was moody and irritable, and had a hard time eating outside of my house! Now, I’m eating all kinds of stuff I used to attach guilt to or that I believed would ruin my health, and I’m fat (yes, I AM over-fat) and my face is breaking out. However, I keep reminding myself of the GOOD things that are happening to my body. I feel much less like an “ortho.” But, one problem I have it that my husband is an ortho on a low-carb diet and still sugar-bashes. He understands what I’m doing and why, and he would NEVER not support me. He doesn’t seem bothered by my almost 20 lb weight gain. But, it’s still hard hearing him talk about feeling “fat” (he is NOT…he’s 5’11” and 160 lbs), always on the lookout for low carb, etc. Anyway…guess I needed to vent a little, didn’t have a whole lot to add to the thread! Other than the ever-important LISTEN to your BODY, not your BRAIN (or your husband, in my case)! We’ll all get there eventually. :-)


    So I went to the grocery store and bought lots of fruit, non organic except for raspberries. Craving the fruit but can’t afford organic. I spray them with a vinegar spray that is supposed to remove some of the pesticide, but I don’t know if it really does. I looked at a bag of M&Ms, but my ortho brain said gmo. Not really craving candy so I let it go. I did buy a package of blueberry blintzes in the frozen aisle. I love blintzes! Part of my heritage. Had some for lunch. When I decide to buy this stuff I don’t look at the ingredients.

    I think I have to agree with Old Mate about eating the crap to get the calories. I just don’t think I have been eating enough or eating the right foods (crap) to bring the temps up. I have been static for 4 months & probably drinking too much liquid (lemonade, tea, some coffee), so I want to jumpstart this. Thank goodness for this forum. I think i would be totally lost if I didn’t have this place to go to.
    I have been thinking how nice it would be if we could actually meet up in person once in a while to support each other while eating the food. I know everybody is spread out all over the place.


    Oh, I was totally depressed last night over this huge flabby belly. My hubby is so supportive. He says I am not fat, there is not an ounce of fat on me.(There is) He says I will get there. He believes in me when I don’t.

    Steven e

    I’ve managed to loosen up quite a lot, and more importantly, I think enough. I think it’s helpful to think of this as short term. How much worse can it be to indulge a little than what we’ve already done to our bodies restricting. If you have major ortho issues, maybe you need to just eat some real serious junk, but it’s not that hard to eat food with almost all real ingredients. There is plenty of chocolate out there with no junk and there is always decent if not great ice cream available. I rarely find it necessary or desirable to eat anything with artificial flavoring or total garbage ingredients even on a pretty tight budget. My health food coop carts have had to get smaller and my grocery outlet carts bigger, but there is plenty of real food out there. If you are not on a budget, you can even do it organic for the large part. I have the added problem of not having enough energy to play healthy home economist and that limits me mostly to easily prepared foods. I do bake a batch of cookies or something now and again.

    But, if you want to eat all organic, and all whole foods, you might have a problem, especially if it’s going to cause you to stress out in the grocery isle. Refined carbs are especially hard to do this without. So, you’ll have to just loosen up a little and accept that some non-organic ingredients and refined stuff, and maybe even sometimes some real junk food with non-food ingredients, is probably not the thing you need to be worrying most about and may even really *need* to eat to get over yourself for a minute. And really look hard at what actually is and isn’t junk food. My few experiments with real junk food didn’t leave me wanting more to say the least. And after three months or so, I want more nutritious whole foods than I did at first. I rarely eat, or want, unprocessed grains yet, but I’m going to follow my bodies cues on that for the most part. I do make my pancakes with some awesome local heritage whole wheat pastry flour and that seems to go down pretty well. Anyway, I think it’s fine and healthy to worry about what’s in the stuff a little. But, if it’s causing you a bunch of stress, or you really want the bag of potato chips fried in canola oil, or the loaf of white bread, just eat the stuff and worry about it later. That’s my take on it. I guess it’s gotten easier as I’ve realized that no, I’m not going to drop dead or feel like I’m dying from eating some junky food once in a while, and that the stress of going through life wondering if the stuff of life, food, is going to kill me if I am not constantly vigilant, is probably much worse than loosening up to a reasonable degree and enjoying life and the food that makes it possible. How much to loosen up probably depends on how neurotic we are, the more neurotic, probably the more crap we need to eat to get over it. Oh the irony! ;)

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