July 9, 2013 at 12:08 pm #7876
I do not cope well with either fruit nor fruit juices. Whenever I consume them to much I will get dizzy, tired and even nauseas. As described in Eat for Heat this is not all that uncommon among people with low metabolism.
Have anyone had problems with fruit consumption and been able to overcome this problem and eat fruits in limitless amounts? Is increasing ones metabolism all one has to do?July 9, 2013 at 12:09 pm #7877
The worst experience I ever had was when I tried eating like Ray Peat and I ate fruit and drank lots of fruit juices. I felt reasonably fine but when I woke up after the first night I felt extremely dizzy and nauseas and weak in my muscles. Shortly thereafter I threw up while I had no idea why this was happening.
I then made some rice with soy sauce cause I have always done well with that and slowly recovered throughout the day.July 10, 2013 at 11:55 am #8135
I have managed to push through that phase myself. When starting out re feeding almost anything high glycemic would make me dizzy and weak. Strangely enough too much fruit still makes my psoriasis itchy but I can eat cookies and stuff like that no problem. I am guessing that the fructose and fiber of the fruit causes me more problems than the refined sugars and easier digestability of cookies or ice cream. Do you get these feelings when you eat other sweets or just with the fructose based stuff?July 10, 2013 at 4:11 pm #8204
I do quite well with sugar and cookies. It’s the abundance of potassium and poor balance of electrolytes in fruits that causes me these problems.
To much fiber is problematic for me though I just get stomach pains from them.
The symptoms I described above disappeared when I started eating more salt and carbs, watched my fluid intake and stopped eating fruit altogether.July 10, 2013 at 5:34 pm #8227
I would say push it from time to Time and see if it gets better. I think as your body heals and gets into balance you can handle almost anything. If it doesn’t get better then you may have a deeper issue.July 10, 2013 at 9:39 pm #8264Matt StoneKeymaster
I wouldn’t completely eliminate fruit either, but keep fruit consumption very low right now and make sure any fruit you eat is dominated by starch, potassium-free sugar, and salty food. Over time it shouldn’t be an issue.
Also Jdubs, it’s normal to have yeast blooms when eating tons of fruit, sugar, calories… refeeding basically. I would be pushing the envelope with that too until you can eat fruit without having the reactions you are having now. That itchiness shouldn’t last much longer I imagine.July 10, 2013 at 10:21 pm #8279John RoroParticipant
My first month of refeeding, with cookies and fruit, I felt pretty awful, foggy mind, itchiness, bloating, tons of weight gain. It all passed during month 2. I’ve been including more fruit now and juice, but still feel best with cookies.July 10, 2013 at 11:28 pm #8294
Matt. You are right,the itchyness is getting better already. It’s funny but a couple years ago my psoriasis didn’t itch at all. Only after all of my diet shenanigans did things get bad. When I began re feeding I would itch all over but I would get especially itchy and moist in the crotch area. That would make sense in the context of a yeast bloom scenario.July 10, 2013 at 11:34 pm #8295Matt StoneKeymaster
This observation was really clear when I was low-carbing and knew many low-carbers personally. Never seen yeast problems that bad. My ex-gf who talked about carbs like they were DDT, would get a massive yeast infection if she even ate a single piece of fruit. I would have toothaches and wild emotional swings, out-of-control hunger. When I first ate sugar unapologetically I was fortunate to only have to endure a couple days of itchy dick.
But I had bleeding gums for 6 damn months. I could still tell the sugar was beneficial though due to all the other positive feedback. At the end of it all things are solid, the benefits remain and the initial annoyances are gone.July 12, 2013 at 10:29 am #8535BunnifordParticipant
This is really interesting. I’m having another stab at raising body temp/metabolism by starting a Peat-ish protocol and taking an eighth of a dose of thyroid glandular (any more makes me act like a freak ;-)). This afternoon I’m radiating 37.1C like I never have before BUT (and it’s a big but) my tongue looks like it belongs to an end-stage AIDS patient (sorry if that sounds flippant but it bloody does!)- thick white coating.I also have tinea/ringworm blooms on my chest and underarms. I’ve had all these things in some measure for the last twenty years or so, but they are AWFUL at the moment. I’m especially anxious about the Candida because it has been steadily getting worse despite me ‘eating the food’ for a really long time now (about 18 months). I know some people such as Peat say it’s rare to have true Candida, but mine is real all right, and accompanied by several decades of immune suppression. I’m nursing my 8 month old son still and he has all the signs of it too, plus cold and clammy, low metabolic constitution. So for both our sakes I want to try and find a solution. But now he has a yeast rash and it gets worse when I eat dairy/sugar…Should I carry on and try and weather it???July 13, 2013 at 4:37 pm #8791
It may not be the best thing to push things too far while breast feeding. Maybe just eat a regular diet and fulfill any caravings you might have but don’t try to over feed until you are past the breast feeding part. I’m pretty sure I have candida myself and I can still get some symptoms when I go way overboard but things are getting better. The horrible white coating on my tongue is going away, my throat isn’t sore all the time and my energy level is stabilizing.
My personal belief at this time is that starving Candida does not work and that raising metabolism is one of the more logical ways to allow your body to do Its healing work and come to some sort of balance with this condition. From what I’ve read candida thrives in a cool and low acidic environment.
The Ray Peat thing is what led me to Matt but I think in and of itself it’s not really a program but is more like a re interpreted mish mash of ideas and statements that Peat made and other people turned into a “diet”. As far as I know Peat himself doesn’t really advocate any particular diet. I personally can’t do many of the peat suggestions because coffee and orange juice give me fierce heartburn, although I do like some of thoughts on gelatin.July 13, 2013 at 4:46 pm #8794
Bunniford, I also believe that the parasitic reactions you are experiencing are also a positive sign of raising metabolism. I also believe that they as well don’t like it when things start warming up and they will start acting up. The constipation and slow transit time as well as low temps from a slow metabolism are welcome conditions for a whole host of fungal, yeast, and parasitic organisms
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