November 27, 2013 at 7:12 pm #13930DutchieParticipant
I think for me the waking up to pee,*migth* have to do with blood sugar imbalances and liver detoxing problems.
Anyway,when I eat sugars I have such a steady sleeping pattern that I can’t even recall ever having had that…..maybe when I was very young and instinctively favored more Peatish foods even though eating starch.
Usually about 5 to 6hours after dinner I get sleepy,go to bed and then lay my head down,close my eyes and when I open them it’s morning! I set my alarm just in case,but I usually wake naturally around the time I set the alarm which is always 7hours later from when I went to bed. It feels like I’m almost in this deep coma-like sleep,whereas when I ate starch/pizza I toss&turn more during the nigth wake couple of times to pee and generally feel I’m in a ligther sleeping mode.
I have no idea if it’s purely the starch,the liver being overburdened or something else like the rigth mineral balance and a higher calcium to phosphorus ratio…..
I think Peat migth have a truth there regarding the higher calcium to phosphorus ratio,but I do think it misses the fact that you need to balance higher calcium with adequate magnesium.
I guess it depends on what you regard as refined sugars…for me personally refined means that it’s totally stripped of off nutrients like white sugar,so for me molasses,maple syrup,palm sugar are equal to fruits&honey.:) Many generations have had positive health benefits from it.
It’s true that good sleep is key. I don’t even think the amount of hours matter,but the importance is that it’s a restful restorative sleep. But it seems that food&good sleep are correlated….at least in my case.
I can’t explain why this migth be,but yesterday I stumbled upon an article on diet and Ankylosing Spondylitus in which many people had succes with a starchfree diet. Although they probably don’t know Peat,it has some similarities and patients seem to fare well on it. I don’t have AS,but years ago was diagnosed with MS (which I don’t believe in). My theiry is that starches are all higher phosphorus to calcium and they,especially all grains,can be inflammatory and downregulate thyroid function.November 28, 2013 at 11:22 am #13942DavidModerator
True, internet discussion can turn ugly quickly when there is disagreement, and I’m glad to see that our conversation isn’t going in that direction. I appreciate your courtesy.
It does sound like your experience has been totally different from mine. I never dieted to lose weight or intentionally limited calories for any reason until the last half year or so. For people who have been starving themselves trying to reach a media ideal of slimness, I can see how a period of overfeeding might be useful–both physically and psychologically.
In fact, I don’t even think that the media ideal is all that attractive, and I almost always prefer plus-sized models to the really skinny girls. However, obesity is different, and even though BMI is imperfect, we all know (if we admit it to ourselves) when extra weight is holding us back. For me, that point was around BMI 30, and I think I would probably look and feel best at 25-26, which is the lower part of the “overweight” range. Naturally everyone has to decide where they should be for themselves–and then figure out how to attain their goals without sacrificing health. If overfeeding works for many people, I congratulate them on their success. I’m only sharing my experience because I’m finding success with a more conventional approach to health and weight control, and strange as it may sound, I think conventional approaches are poorly represented in online nutrition forums.
Concerning BMR, I understand that you’re hoping for increases in BMR independent of changes in body mass and body composition. I agree that this is possible for people who are emerging from a starvation situation, which may in fact describe your situation. However, in my opinion, most people who increase their BMR through overfeeding are seeing the increase because of changes in body mass. There isn’t data on this that I’m aware of, so I suppose we’ll have to agree to disagree. I just don’t think there are many Americans in a true starvation state, even if they do diet periodically.
My thinking on the neurochemical responses to overeating and exercise is based both on experience and independent research. A quick google search for “endorphins and exercise” and “endorphins and overeating” will show that there are similar chemicals involved in each case. As for experience, I just ran a Thanksgiving 5k this morning, and I’m enjoying a mild state of euphoria, just like I might if I ate a large pizza with ice cream. Of course, since this is Thanksgiving, I might end up with a double dose of euphoria after indulging in some gluttony over at the inlaws’ place!
As for differences in food consumption between now and the last century, the existing evidence suggests that we eat more than we used to. I understand you dispute this evidence, but I find it compelling. As corroborating evidence, we’re taller than we used to be, and our athletes seem to be getting stronger and faster, while the average sedentary person is getting fatter. It’s also likely that historically, people ate more carbs and less protein/fat than we do today, and it’s harder to overeat if you’re consuming 70% of your calories as rice or potatoes. It’s also hard to overeat when all food is expensive relative to total incomes, which it was until relatively recently.
You say that I’m oversimplifying in my neurochemical theory. Guilty as charged! Just about any theory I’ve read on nutrition that attempts broad explanations is going to be too simple, which is why, ultimately, I think that most nutrition theories (especially the popular ones online) are just rationalizations for what people believe because of emotions, intuitions, or personal experience. This is why I value personal experience in these discussions more than just about anything else, the theories often being window dressing to the real motivation.
I apologize if I didn’t address everything in your post. Unfortunately, I need to go shower and get ready for the day with family. Have a great holiday! (If I’m wrong to assume you’re an American, then I hope you have a great Thursday even without the Turkey…)December 4, 2013 at 7:03 pm #14110heatherdukeParticipant
@heatheriv re:” (I will also point out that there is not to my knowledge any reason aside from conjecture to believe that Americans eat any more now than they always have. And I’m not sure that idea is actually testable because a scientific record of average calorie consumption from ~100 years ago would be necessary to compare to similar records from today, and I’m not sure such a record exists.)”
it kind of does: How the Mid-Victorians Worked, Ate and Died
it’s britain, not america, and maybe you’ve seen it already, but still pretty neat (esp the bit about their consuming 50-100% more cals than we do today…)
(and yes of course they more active etc, but it’s still interesting, and lines up with the “eat/play/sleep big” stuff that comes out of 180d sometimes)December 4, 2013 at 7:50 pm #14111DavidModerator
That looks like an interesting article. Thanks for the link. I will definitely read through it later tonight.
I was thinking of research that has been conducted during a more recent period–the time period when obesity has been on the rise. Data from the USDA over the last several decades shows an sharp increase in calorie consumption in the United States.
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