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I’m having a lot of success with peat type eating after a few false starts and setbacks. This time, some very nice results which I hope to build on. My main issues: energy, aching, sleep, strength, weight gain I need to reverse. The best energy in years – like a normal person’s! (I was a CFS sufferer so energy is perhaps my biggest issue); also no PMS this month; also no ‘bad patch’ – I was having cycles of good patches and bad; also almost no more burning aching; better moods, good exercise adaptation.
Ann you were telling me about some of the gradual incorporation of some of the stuff like pregnenolone (vs progesterone cream) and aspirin. I’d love to find out more experiences. I also don’t like the sound of taking thyroid as I’ve heard so many bad reports, am hoping I won’t need to in the end. Any more experiences out there to share? Thanks in advance!@Sue thats great:)
May i ask what you eat daily with the Peatish diet youre now having succes with? I found my sleep improved,i now have more of a steady sleepcycle.Its interesting you mentioned having tackled CFS with a Peatish diet,bc for years i was always tired too…craving&living on breads/pasta/grains and pufas&hfcs stuff as they all also happened to be high tryptophan&serotoninfoods,which gave me a blissful feeling while eating and later caused letharg/depression/negativity/helplesness/angermoods,fatigue,constipation,jointpain,weigthgain. i always blamed it now on that crap and my shitty digestion,but a while ago i accidentally stumbled upon a research about CFS&serotonin&dopamine….lets see if i can find it quickly.
Here is one article,especially the comment by Rachel is interesting:
chronicfatigue.about.com/b/2013/05/23/autoimmunity-to-serotonin-in-chronic-fatigue-syndrome.htmI think from an early age something went wrong in my hormonal and dopamine/serotonin abillity and (bacterial composition?)the gut as its closely related…..and now im thinking the Lyme&co was just the cherry on top to make for even more complications.
And Peats work(&nutrition) happens to be based around these hormones.
I always envied those people with positive mindset and good steady moods, i now come to think those people have the rigth hormone balance&gut and that you can do endless meditation,mindfullness,therapy etc.but its not getting you far as long as this pathway is incorrect. I used to beat myself up even more,bc i couldnt seem to get the ‘proper result’ despite trying and working hard!Hi. SUe.
Yesterday I submitted 2 long responses to your comments/questions and they did not show up. So I guess we will communicate here.
It is possible that you did not take enough pregnenolone. Some people over at the Peat forum claim to get benefits from as little as 10mg of pregnenolone. I did not perceive any benefits at such a low level. I started to feel some benefit at 25mg and I increased it until 50mg seemed to really help me. Some people say that pregnenolone increases their stress by increasing estrogen and cortisol, but I don’t know. I think what is happening is that some of the pregnenolone is being converted to progesterone and the progesterone drives out excess estrogen and causes estrogen dominance wake up symptoms.
As to whether pregnenolone will be better for you. There is no way to know until you try. But consider this: Pregnenolone can be converted into progesterone, but it may not be. Your body decides. If you want the benefits of progesterone (drive out estrogen, etc) then take progesterone, as it is already in the form that you want.
You asked about progesterone creams. Progesterone creams are not well absorbed into the blood stream because progesterone is best dissolved in vitamin E and oil. Those creams are water-based. Since progesterone has an affinity for fat, it builds up in the fatty tissues (even when you rotate site of application). When the body breaks down the fatty tissues, the progesterone will be released and can cause hormonal imbalance. Having progesterone stored in your fat tissues gives you a constant supply. But progesterone should be cycled. Our ovaries cycle progesterone. Or, if no fat is broken down, the progesterone stays trapped in your fat cells where it is doing you no good. That is why progesterone creams stop working after a while.
Progesterone is best taken orally, dissolved in vitamin-E. The best progesterone on the market is Progest-E, which was developed by Ray Peat. These guys currently have the best price: http://www.electricalbody.com/product/natural-progesterone-oil.htm . I rub it into my gums or put it on my tongue, move it around my mouth, hold it for a couple of minutes, before swallowing. Since it is dissolved in vitamin E, it is not destroyed by the liver like other oral progesterone. If you are going to take progest-E for estrogen dominance, it is recommended to start with a high dose to push out the estrogen quickly. A small dose will keep you in a constant state of estrogen dominance wake up.
Ray Peat says that pregnenolone reduces cortisol and other stress hormones and energizes the brain. I agree with him. It certainly does that for me.
Many people take both pregnenolone and progesterone. I am currently taking both. I started taking progest-e again a few days ago. I first tried progset-E several months ago and it caused estrogen dominance symptoms, which is normal. At the time, I did not want to deal with the symptoms so after a couple of weeks, I stopped the progesterone. I felt I wanted to give my body a chance to heal more and lower estrogen before driving it out. It seems to me that if a person has a lot of estrogen, then the drive-out phase will be much longer and more miserable (my reasoning, not Ray Peat’s). So I used pregnenolone (100mg day) and five 325 mg of aspirin per day, along with 5mg Vitamin K to prevent bruising. I also took vitamin b6 (in the P5P form), which lowers prolactin. When estrogen is high, prolactin is almost always high and it can cause a lot of problems just like estrogen. I also used vitex (chasteberry). Vitex lowers prolactin and balances the progesterone/estrogen ratio in favor of progesterone. In addition, I took one or two vitamin E capsules per day, because vitamin E also antagonizes estrogen.Personally I believe Vitex is as important as the other supplements, although no one on the Peat forum talks about it. I first learned about vitex 13 years ago when I was having horrible PMS. After a few months of using vitex, my PMS symptoms were so much improved. I never got perfect relief, because there were other pieces of the puzzle which I was not aware of until I found Ray Peat. Also, I was still a vegetarian and my body was very messed up from that. Many of the people on the Peat forums are using drugs to lower their estrogen and prolactin and other stress hormones, but I prefer to at least try vitamins and herbs before drugs.
I understand not liking the idea of thyroid. Thyroid may not be necessary. Diet and supplements can fix everything for some people. Unfortunately some people do need thyroid but there is no way of knowing until you have given the diet and other supplements a try for at least a few months.
Many people gain weight eating Peat style. I myself have not gained any weight. Or I should say I noticed a few pounds gain and I made adjustments. Remember that extra weight does not always mean extra fat. Eating nutritionally dense foods like milk and eggs can increase lean muscle tissues, include making the bones heavier and denser, so always go by body composition and measurements, not the scale. Also, if your salt intake is too low, you may become bloated from ingesting a lot of fluids.
Having said that, some people really do gain extra fat on the Peat Plan. Anytime you gain fat, you are ingesting more calories than you can burn. If you are gaining fat, look at your starch and fat intake. Ray Peat says that starch causes weight gain and I agree. Four hundred calories of starch is not the same as four hundred calorie of sucrose or lactose. Peat also says that too much fat will cause weight gain. Coconut oil, butter and cream are not free foods just because they are healthy. Some people go overboard and take several tablespoons of coconut oil because of its ability to stimulate the thyroid. But Ray Peat says that people trying to lose weight should not use a lot of coconut oil, maybe one teaspoon three times per day. If you are drinking whole milk, maybe consider 2% or 1%, if you can stand it.
In short, when you are trying to lose weight, decrease (but don’t eliminate) fat, eliminate starch, 100% if possible. But don’t starve yourself. Create a small caloric deficit that your body can handle. If you starve yourself your metabolism will slow down. Fruit, fruit juice, eggs, milk and gelatin for a while may help to get the weight off. Then you can reintroduce starch and more fat as your metabolism increases. Also, liver once a week and shellfish for minerals like zinc, selenium and copper. Vitamin A is necessary for the conversion of cholesterol into progesterone and minerals like copper and selenium are important for the thyroid. In addition, make sure that you are not ingesting too much beta carotene from fruit or vegetables. Too much beta carotene can suppress thyroid function.
I know this opinion is not popular here, or even with Ray Peat, but I believe that exercise is essential to weight loss, particularly for women with estrogen issues. Just because excess exercise and cardio are bad does not mean no exercise is good. Weight training, in particular, is good for weight (fat) loss. I discovered that when I was in college, when everyone was claiming that aerobic exercise was the key to weight loss. Also, weight training causes the muscles to produce testosterone, which opposes estrogen.
Many of the people on the Peat forum refuse to exercise yet complain about weight (fat) gain. Or they do a few deep knee bends with 5 pound weights and wonder why they are still flabby. We were not meant to be sedentary creatures. And I think moderate cardio, like fifteen minutes a few times a week, actually lowers stress hormones and detoxifies the body through sweating.
Hi, Sue.
Yesterday I submitted 2 responses to your comments/questions and they did not show up. So I guess we will communicate here.
(I am submitting this response here for a second time. The first one did not show up. If it does not show up, I will assume that Matt has banned me and I will not try again.)
It is possible that you did not take enough pregnenolone. Some people over at the Peat forum claim to get benefits from as little as 10mg of pregnenolone. I did not perceive any benefits at such a low level. I started to feel some benefit at 25mg and I increased it until 50mg seemed to really help me. Some people say that pregnenolone increases their stress by increasing estrogen and cortisol, but I don’t know. I think what is happening is that some of the pregnenolone is being converted to progesterone and the progesterone drives out excess estrogen and causes estrogen dominance wake up symptoms.
As to whether pregnenolone will be better for you. There is no way to know until you try. But consider this: Pregnenolone can be converted into progesterone, but it may not be. Your body decides. If you want the benefits of progesterone (drive out estrogen, etc) then take progesterone, as it is already in the form that you want.
You asked about progesterone creams. Progesterone creams are not well absorbed into the blood stream because progesterone is best dissolved in vitamin E and oil. Those creams are water-based. Since progesterone has an affinity for fat, it builds up in the fatty tissues (even when you rotate site of application). When the body breaks down the fatty tissues, the progesterone will be released and can cause hormonal imbalance. Having progesterone stored in your fat tissues gives you a constant supply. But progesterone should be cycled. Our ovaries cycle progesterone. Or, if no fat is broken down, the progesterone stays trapped in your fat cells where it is doing you no good. That is why progesterone creams stop working after a while.
Progesterone is best taken orally, dissolved in vitamin-E. The best progesterone on the market is Progest-E, which was developed by Ray Peat. These guys currently have the best price: http://www.electricalbody.com/product/natural-progesterone-oil.htm . I rub it into my gums or put it on my tongue, move it around my mouth, hold it for a couple of minutes, before swallowing. Since it is dissolved in vitamin E, it is not destroyed by the liver like other oral progesterone. If you are going to take progest-E for estrogen dominance, it is recommended to start with a high dose to push out the estrogen quickly. A small dose will keep you in a constant state of estrogen dominance wake up.
Ray Peat says that pregnenolone reduces cortisol and other stress hormones and energizes the brain. I agree with him. It certainly does that for me.
Many people take both pregnenolone and progesterone. I am currently taking both. I started taking progest-e again a few days ago. I first tried progset-E several months ago and it caused estrogen dominance symptoms, which is normal. At the time, I did not want to deal with the symptoms so after a couple of weeks, I stopped the progesterone. I felt I wanted to give my body a chance to heal more and lower estrogen before driving it out. It seems to me that if a person has a lot of estrogen, then the drive-out phase will be much longer and more miserable (my reasoning, not Ray Peat’s). So I used pregnenolone (100mg day) and five 325 mg of aspirin per day, along with 5mg Vitamin K to prevent bruising. I also took vitamin b6 (in the P5P form), which lowers prolactin. When estrogen is high, prolactin is almost always high and it can cause a lot of problems just like estrogen. I also used vitex (chasteberry). Vitex lowers prolactin and balances the progesterone/estrogen ratio in favor of progesterone. In addition, I took one or two vitamin E capsules per day, because vitamin E also antagonizes estrogen.Personally I believe Vitex is as important as the other supplements, although no one on the Peat forum talks about it. I first learned about vitex 13 years ago when I was having horrible PMS. After a few months of using vitex, my PMS symptoms were so much improved. I never got perfect relief, because there were other pieces of the puzzle which I was not aware of until I found Ray Peat. Also, I was still a vegetarian and my body was very messed up from that. Many of the people on the Peat forums are using drugs to lower their estrogen and prolactin and other stress hormones, but I prefer to at least try vitamins and herbs before drugs.
I understand not liking the idea of thyroid. Thyroid may not be necessary. Diet and supplements can fix everything for some people. Unfortunately some people do need thyroid but there is no way of knowing until you have given the diet and other supplements a try for at least a few months.
Many people gain weight eating Peat style. I myself have not gained any weight. Or I should say I noticed a few pounds gain and I made adjustments. Remember that extra weight does not always mean extra fat. Eating nutritionally dense foods like milk and eggs can increase lean muscle tissues, include making the bones heavier and denser, so always go by body composition and measurements, not the scale. Also, if your salt intake is too low, you may become bloated from ingesting a lot of fluids.
Having said that, some people really do gain extra fat on the Peat Plan. Anytime you gain fat, you are ingesting more calories than you can burn. If you are gaining fat, look at your starch and fat intake. Ray Peat says that starch causes weight gain and I agree. Four hundred calories of starch is not the same as four hundred calorie of sucrose or lactose. Peat also says that too much fat will cause weight gain. Coconut oil, butter and cream are not free foods just because they are healthy. Some people go overboard and take several tablespoons of coconut oil because of its ability to stimulate the thyroid. But Ray Peat says that people trying to lose weight should not use a lot of coconut oil, maybe one teaspoon three times per day. If you are drinking whole milk, maybe consider 2% or 1%, if you can stand it.
In short, when you are trying to lose weight, decrease (but don’t eliminate) fat, eliminate starch, 100% if possible. But don’t starve yourself. Create a small caloric deficit that your body can handle. If you starve yourself your metabolism will slow down. Fruit, fruit juice, eggs, milk and gelatin for a while may help to get the weight off. Then you can reintroduce starch and more fat as your metabolism increases. Also, liver once a week and shellfish for minerals like zinc, selenium and copper. Vitamin A is necessary for the conversion of cholesterol into progesterone and minerals like copper and selenium are important for the thyroid. In addition, make sure that you are not ingesting too much beta carotene from fruit or vegetables. Too much beta carotene can suppress thyroid function.
I know this opinion is not popular here, or even with Ray Peat, but I believe that exercise is essential to weight loss, particularly for women with estrogen issues. Just because excess exercise and cardio are bad does not mean no exercise is good. Weight training, in particular, is good for weight (fat) loss. I discovered that when I was in college, when everyone was claiming that aerobic exercise was the key to weight loss. Also, weight training causes the muscles to produce testosterone, which opposes estrogen.
Many of the people on the Peat forum refuse to exercise yet complain about weight (fat) gain. Or they do a few deep knee bends with 5 pound weights and wonder why they are still flabby. We were not meant to be sedentary creatures. And I think moderate cardio, like fifteen minutes a few times a week, actually lowers stress hormones and detoxifies the body through sweating.
Ann, I did get the responses on the blog and just posted a reply, and I will reply here too and to Dutchie too, just gotta run now to go ride a horse! Dutchie you’re probably in a similar time zone to me being in Europe, but Ann I think we’re hours our of synch. I’m in South Africa. Will get back to you later, and thank you so much for all the lovely long thoughtful responses. Have a great day – if it is day;)
Ann thank you for all the input. I’ve printed it out and I’m reading through it, there is a lot there for which I am grateful and I’m going to do it justice by thinking it through and following those links. Regarding the reputation for difficulties in the beginning, I can really understand that and I would say nobody should even try till their body is very much strengthened. Orange juice would have disagreed horribly with me a while ago. Ditto coffee. Ditto aspirin. Even too much fruit. Recently even gelatin did not go down well with me. As everyone is always saying, you have to follow what’s making you feel good, and take small steps, and maybe wait sometimes back off and wait awhile without writing it off because that something that currently disagrees with you may work wonders when the time is right.
Dutchie, I’m just having way more sugar and fruit, in the mornings mostly. I’m keeping the eggs for lunch rather, and having something like a few pancakes in coconut oil with lots of syrup and fruit for breakfast, followed by coffee made with 100% milk and several sugars – I have two of those before lunch and they do not make me feel wired, and it’s about 800ml of milk all in. That is the main change. Then a gelatin drink with lots of sugar and a bit of salt, at some point in the day, before exercise and again before sleep, and again in the middle of the night when I wake up :(. Then a smaller dinner than I was having, with a piece of chicken or something, with some potato or rice, for dinner.
I seldom snack and I hate having to eat something at midnight but I do if I feel too wide awake and need some help to get back to sleep, which is most nights, though only sometimes does it put me in a good deep sleep again!!
I’m not having much fruit juice as the price to buy it and the unbelievable shlepp to make it is offputting!! It’s also only citrus banana apple and papaya season here, but in a month or two it’s strawberries and then summer fruit and other tropical fruit. I’ll have lots more then. I’m not crazy about veg even though I have a veg garden. I’m trying half a raw carrot, taking that slowly because it usually is very indigestible for me, but half not a whole, and not every day, is going down fine.
I’m having an aspirin when I feel that burning ache, you must know it from CFS/fibromyalgia type symptoms. Sometimes I’ve felt it warm me up and relax me when I’ve done that. It’s been a revelation. It never did a thing for me when I was taking half a tab (300mg per tab) but now that I take a whole one and sometimes again later in the day or night, I can feel a huge difference. Before, I couldn’t as I felt it hurt my stomach.
Transit time is better, much better, and along with it mood, no aching, good energy, no PMS. These are all my major issues, that and the sleep which unfortunately is not responding. I’m holding thumbs it lasts, I’m not intending to do much more than what I already do as going back to any kind of restriction is not going to happen for me. I’m going to look into switching to pregnenolone from progesterone cream but I’ll take that one slowly.
Ann, I know what you mean about gradual changes and if I wasn’t about halfway there already none of this would work for me, I just know it. I’m taking K2 but I see my supplement is tiny, like 200ug. Must look for a better one than that. Then progesterone cream in my case continues to make a difference – but you know how some things work for some people when they theoretically ‘shouldn’t’.
I’m excited about these results because these are the major ones for me and always have been. But the real reason, the biggest reason, is that it is very close to how I ate before I messed it all up, first with low fat, but mainly with low carb, and that was 7 sad old years. We had an orchard and hens when I grew up and I ate lots of eggs and fruit and milk. Especially fruit. I would sit in the orchard with my lap full of sunwarmed peaches and eat the lot. I remember loving jelly too. So to me this is by far the main reason why I like this approach – it ‘gels’ with lifelong habits, it’s a return to how I used to eat.
I’ll be following up all links and suggestions. Thank you so much and let’s keep talking!
Regarding recent 180 posts about state of mind, I went through 6 years of therapy to help me with healthier relationships, because while I was not abused I had a very poor relationship with my mother and resulting poor self esteem, rock bottom, disastrous choices, very self destructive patterns. I date the turnaround in my life to then. Pre-therapy and post-therapy, a tale of two lives.
To try and put this more clearly: to deal with serious life issues, I believe in something like therapy with a really good therapist: a really effective, long term, in depth, professional approach. But I personally have never found stress reduction approaches including meditation effective. Regarding moods and stress I find nothing works in terms of meditation and stress relieving approaches, just as nothing in terms of ‘sleep hygiene’ does anything for me. Other people swear by them and I’m glad they work for them, but for me, easily the most effective and profound changes have come from food.
Sue:
“To try and put this more clearly: to deal with serious life issues, I believe in something like therapy with a really good therapist: a really effective, long term, in depth, professional approach.”I agree.
There is a place for self-help strategies like meditation, stress reduction, affirmations etc, but some people are too emotionally damaged to benefit from self-help. To use an analogy, it is okay to self treat a sprained ankle, but if the ankle is broken, you had better get to the ER so that the professionals can help you to heal properly.
Self help, in my opinion, can be quite dangerous for someone who has a lot of deep emotional problems. I know it did me a lot of harm. When I left home as a teenager, I turned to self help for emotional healing. I used transcendental and other types of meditation, yoga, and religions, and I listened to tapes and read books by motivational authors such as Louise Hay. I really believed that I had the power to heal myself in spite of all the damage that had been done. Well, to make a long story short, I ended up attempting suicide and was almost successful. I was in such bad shape that the doctors thought I may not survive; I was unconscious and on life support in the ICU and the doctors told my family that, if I survived, I would probably not regain consciousness and have permanent brain, liver and kidney damage.
Well I did survive it and with no permanent damage to my vital organs. However, as a result of the suicide attempt, I was involuntarily confined to the psychiatric ward after I regained consciousness. They kept me for two weeks. I had to agree to outpatient mental health treatment before they released me. I was very angry at the time, but looking back I see that was the best thing that happened to me because my self treatment came to an end.
It took a while for me to find a therapist that I could connect with, but eventually I did find one. And he saved me. I would not be here today without his help. There was no way that I could live in emotional pain forever and I would definitely have attempted suicide again.
It really bothers me when people promote self help without the caveat that it is not for everyone. It is so easy to judge people and insist that their misery is of their own making and that they have the power to be happy and free if they would only think the right thoughts. One reason that I walked away from religion is because they consider emotional problems a spiritual weakness that can be corrected by prayer and faith. I was dying inside and not a single person of religious authority suggested that I get professional help. They would rather watch you self destruct and blame it on your sinful nature and your heart not being “right towards God”. Or they will tell you that you are suffering because of terrible things that you did in a past life.
I meditate and listen to motivational speakers. Currently I am really into Guy Finley. But the difference is, now I am at a point in my emotional healing where self-help actually works. You can’t use a band-aid to cover a wound that requires surgical stitches. Meditation cannot correct severe depression or anxiety but it may help to relax the mind and relieve minor anxiety and attention problems. Positive affirmations do nothing for someone who has never had self-esteem and who did not feel love and affirmed by their parents and family of origin. How can you tell someone to pull herself up by her bootstraps when she does not have any boots?
And no amount of meditation (or even medication from doctors) can fix a mental and physical energy deficit caused by eating the wrong foods. Since I started eating Peat style, I have realized that a lot of my depressive/anxious symptoms can be relieved by eating sugar, milk and salt and by limiting starches. Many emotional problems have a physiological basis but even doctors don’t seem to understand that.
Anne you have a remarkable story and I am so glad that you found your way in spite of the unhelpfulness of the ‘heal yourself’ community. I’m also glad to hear that your body recovered without organ damage.
It just occurred to me, why can’t ‘heal yourself’ mean what worked for you – the decision you made to use a professional when that was what you needed, and to use food for what it can do, and to use meditation etc. for what that can do? The real breakthroughs may come when you reject the propaganda of both sides and use both mainstream and self help tools for what they’re best at, when the time is right, recognizing the strengths and the weaknesses and cherrypicking accordingly? Now THAT is taking full responsibility for yourself but as you know, it requires you to do the work of finding out beyond the timewasting, damaging smokescreens of misinformation and myth. But it is really profound work because you have to be a ‘post-consumer’ and a ‘post-patient’ just like I think of the 180 community as ‘post-dieters’. The profit and power motive control our knowledge, what we learn, what ‘choices’ we are offered – I think it’s years of work to get out from under that before we can even start to look for real answers.Ann (sorry I have an Anne in the family so I always tend to put that ‘e’ on the end!) I have been struggling to read on the RP forum because I mostly have to use a smartphone and it doesn’t work so well. I did a search on insomnia and although I did not get far due to the phone, I did get a few pages, and on one there was something confusing about the thyroid releasing ‘colloid’ when no longer suppressed, and this causing insomnia. I don’t know, and don’t know what one would do if this is so. But seeing as today I have access for a while to a laptop, so much easier, I thought I’d ask you about insomnia. While more fruit, sugar, salt, aspirin, and gelatin are doing a lot for energy and aching, my sleep, already abysmally bad, is going the other way :( . Fast :(. So bad that I’m functioning worse during the day, so badly that I’m struggling to think. I have tried everything I can think of/have been told. A big/small/early/late/no meat dinner. caffeine/exercise/naps have all been tried in all combinations, no clear results. Gelatin/sugar/salt/aspirin/niacin before bed/in the night sometimes do/don’t work. I’m not eating purist RP style so I don’t even know what to step back on if I’ve taken it too far. I tried half a pregnenolone – 15mg -two days then stopped in case that was it. Too early no doubt but I’m getting desperate. I tried less/more progesterone cream. I’ve tried various teas and sachets of stuff – currently magnesium theanine and glycine – no help. Looking it up, I just reread stuff I’ve read before, plus frankly unhelpful stuff saying alarm clocks are the devil and one should do ‘free running sleep’ and so on. I usually find exercise helpful but it’s not making any difference to anything at the moment – a 1.5 hour walk yesterday; riding a horse for 30 minutes, quite demanding – on Friday; 4 days of exercise all in last week but usually it’s 5. If anything, nights are worse after exercise but that doesn’t mean better if none, as I’ve tracked sleep many times looking for patterns and the pattern is – there is no pattern. what seems to influence sleep one night does the opposite the next. Going to sleep is not the problem. Even multiple wakeups are not the end of the world if, in between times, I get satisfying sleep as opposed to feeling like I’m just dozing. I’ve tried relaxation but as I said, going to sleep is not the problem. so meditation/no backlit screens, tv, phone, laptop at all/for hours before bedtime also no go.
If, as I used to, I was simply overdoing RP’s stuff I could easily back off. Also, if I could think straight perhaps I could see what the problem was. Literally the only thing I haven’t done is prescription drugs and I have no interest in going that way from all I’ve read.
Excuse the chaotic nature of this post which simply reflects the state of my brain. I don’t know. Expensive over-hyped ‘sleep clinics’ next??
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