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hi everyone:
i’d like to offer up a theory that a minimum amount of body fat may be necessary for complete sexual devlopment and maintaining maximum sexual differentiation.
it’s possible that what has been labeled as childhood obesity may in many cases be a temporary chubby stage that is necessary for complete sexual development, and that not allowing that to happen causes obesity to become a lifelong battle until it is allowed to happen.
also, it’s possible that when body fat becomes too low or a calorie surplus is not maintained, people become less masculine or feminine, which could cause them to become more attracted to other androgynous people, rather than to very masculine or feminine ones, as is generally the case with people who are not yet sexually developed.
i arrived at this theory after having a conversation in the “jerry’s angels” thread at the “alice in chains” band forum. it starts on page 124 on jul 21 and continues until aug 8 (today) on page 125:
http://aic.yuku.com/topic/380/Jerrys-Angels-Thread?page=124i also created a related thread with some examples to back up my idea called “Body Talk”:
http://aic.yuku.com/topic/4650/Body-Talkthis topic was also discussed a bit on the “type o negative” band forum, with the following exchange:
[quote=”Marius”]I find Tom Hardy as Bane and Magnus ver Magnusson to be a hell of a lot more masculine than someone like Leonardo Di Crappo.[/quote]
[quote=”bionicanna”]yep their faces and attitudes are naturally masculine, without a hint of trying to be so.
i have yet to see a guy with the lean muscular look exude that. honestly, they give off a gay vibe. and let’s not forget that in the ancient world, men posing for paintings or statues for other men to admire were likely boy toys.[/quote]
^ the above exchange sparked a longer discussion:
[quote=”Marius”]
I find Tom Hardy as Bane and Magnus ver Magnusson to be a hell of a lot more masculine than someone like Leonardo Di Crappo.
[/quote][quote=”bionicanna”]
yep their faces and attitudes are naturally masculine, without a hint of trying to be so.i have yet to see a guy with the lean muscular look exude that. honestly, they give off a gay vibe. and let’s not forget that in the ancient world, men posing for paintings or statues for other men to admire were likely boy toys.
[/quote][quote=”Marius”]
I never thought of that…but maybe the Vitruvian Man was Da Vinci’s part-timer?
[/quote][quote=”bionicanna”]
hahaha yes that kind of attraction is a good motivator. i’ve wondered the same about milton.
[/quote][quote=”luka.”]
where did you read that? it is true that most old cultures revered masculine male body and male physical love was more or less a common thing between soldiers (ie everyone that was a worthy member of society besides politicians) but that was mainly because the idea of beauty was a highly functional body that is capable of great things. and by that i mean slaying dozens of enemies without pause, not some weird sex game :’
[/quote][quote=”bionicanna”]
haven’t you figured out yet where my bullshit comes from? certainly not from reading.i doubt that the soldiers themselves were doing the modeling for works of art, except perhaps the face. the body models were more likely men in a servant class who were more appealing to look at – to other men.
[/quote][quote=”Marius”]
It’s been my experience that men are far more interested in other men’s bodies than women are.
[/quote][quote=”FrenchDeath”]
which demonstrates again women are smarter than men.
[/quote][quote=”Marius”]
ROFL
[/quote][quote=”bionicanna”]
“the body models were more likely men in a servant class who were more appealing to look at – to other men.”and probably also appealing to prepubescent girls or women on the androgynous end of the spectrum. to each their own.
[/quote][quote=”luka.”]
read plato and aristotel, first one was at first a great advocate of male love, on the battlefield and elsewhere and considered women nothing more than a necessary nuisance, later he changed his views and his student aristotel continued to work on this latter teachings. soldiers were indeed an inspiration for most art, nobody else in that society had the same physique.
[/quote][quote=”bionicanna”]
do you really think high-status soldiers would have had leaner physiques than slaves who were forced to toil long hours without adequate nutrition? this was certainly not the case in the american south.but even if you are right, isn’t asexuality an ideal of the ultimate soldier or athlete throughout history? such a life of physical and mental hardship would produce that result without massive calorie intake to offset it.
[/quote][quote=”luka.”]
of course the soldiers were in better shape, trained from an early age. if what you wrote about the slaves were true, wouldn’t the ordinary construction site workers be the strongest people around? this is not the case for many reasons, mostly because of their ‘training’ not being diversified.to a point you’re correct, but greeks (as an example) didn’t really consider male love as something out of the ordinary when in the field. it was a routine – kill a bunch of motherfucker, eat, drink, fuck your mate, sleep, repeat.
[/quote][quote=”bionicanna”]
i agree that soldiers were stronger, but the strongest people tend to be fatter, possibly due to healthier hormone levels in the face of hardship.the slaves would have been leaner and more physically attractive, to all except fertile women.[/quote]
[quote=”bionicanna”]
also, i think the ultimate goal of fasting and low calorie intake among the priest class was to lower hormones and make themselves asexual.a conspiracy theorist might say that promoting leanness as an ideal is a convenient way of producing infertility among the masses.
and i think that has something to do with why my sisters, who would have been considered overweight by modern standards, but not by standards of prior generations, married relatively young and had kids, while i had no inclination to do so. but i was thin like the magazines showed me i was supposed to be. yay for me!
[/quote][quote=”Marius”]
I carried some baggage about my weight for years, but I’ve learned to love that fact that with great weight comes great power.I actually like how I look now, and it’s only because I learned how to love myself. And however I look if I lose or gain some weight, I’ll love that, too.
[/quote][quote=”bionicanna”]
that’s absolutely wonderful, and is my whole reason for stirring the pot about this. i really don’t like calling attention to myself, but have resorted to tweeting about this to people i don’t even know, hoping someone would read it who could do something about the unnatural expectations that we are subjected to from a young age. when i realized how much damage vanity has done to us all, it made me fighting mad.
[/quote][quote=”Marius”]
Get a load of this.http://healthyurbankitchen.com/blog/seduced-by-the-illusion/
[/quote][quote=”bionicanna”]
preach it!
[/quote][quote=”Marius”]
You don’t know how bad I wish I could see people’s souls, so I could really, really tell who is worth my compassion and lust.
[/quote][quote=”bionicanna”]
me too. it’s all that matters when you get old.this kid is gonna grow up to be a badass ladies’ man:
[/quote]on the same forum, this funny series of pictures was posted:
a couple of women on the forum agreed that “who’s looking at the face?”
to which my reply was:
me. i notice it more than anything else. in classic films, they definitely sexualized faces, back when faces were sexier.
he’s muscular, but has the face of a very thin man. not sexy.
an insightful article at t nation titled “top ten testosterone facts”:
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sex_news_sports_funny_grok/top_ten_testosterone_factsand a quote from it relating high body fat to high masculinity:
“So does this mean that fat bastards are more virile than rock-hard athletes? God I hope not.”also, i don’t believe that virility is at the root of all the political sex scandals that we’ve been witnessing. rather, increasing virility in men and fertility in women would likely ease the problem of promiscuity, by making sex more satisfying.
increasing virility and fertilty would also likely diminish the recent trend of adult sexual regression to obsession with body image and exhibitionism. the news is full of cautionary tales showing just how embarrassing and career-destroying such a state of mind can be.
it’s not a matter of self-control, but shows the ultimate power of hormonal states. let’s stop being obsessed with our own appearance, keep a calorie surplus high enough to remain hormonally adult, and we will naturally be very attractive to other people who do the same.
a text conversation with my sister about this thread, posted with her permission:
HER:
That is an interesting perspective.ME:
glad u think so. in biblical times, fat was beautiful and thin ugly, like in pharaoh’s dream of the cows etc. young thin girls are physically similar to many 80 year old women.HER:
That’s true. At the end of the day as long as you are happy with yourself that is what matters. I still strive to be healthy and weigh less not because I care what others think but because I know my weight holds me back. It zaps my energy when my kids want me to play and generally makes me downright lazy. That is not who I want to be. If given a choice between being healthy and vibrant with lethargic and lazy… I’m gonna aim for vibrant!ME:
i agree! but sometimes the way we go about it makes the problem worse. the rest of that 180degreehealth website offers a different approach: rebound weight loss instead of rebound weight gain. it took 2 yrs but finally working for me.HER:
Are you losing weight? If so I am glad it is working for you!ME:
yep. and i’m still eating just as much if not more.it takes a while for your body to feel safe that calorie intake will remain high in order for u to have a high energy level. the goal is to become permanently fat proof rather than temporarily lose weight.
it takes longer for people with ancestors who survived famines because the programs designed to keep u alive kick in faster and take longer to deactivate. irish and cherokee.
“also, i don’t believe that virility is at the root of all the political sex scandals that we’ve been witnessing. rather, increasing virility in men and fertility in women would likely ease the problem of promiscuity, by making sex more satisfying.”
the above statement that i wrote earlier sparked a discussion on the “type o negative” band forum:
[quote=”Marius”]
You’re certainly right about one thing. The issue with cheating isn’t virility. It’s unhappiness and dissatisfaction, sexual or otherwise, with the woman he SHOULD be having sex with.
[/quote][quote=”FrenchDeath”]
The issue with cheating can be virility too in case the guy’s got big demands by natural constitution. Same works for women, as far as my experience rides.
[/quote][quote=”bionicanna”]
i agree with you both. when a person is no longer attracted to or satisfied by someone, something has probably changed in one or both people. i still think the pressure to have low body fat is a major cause, because of the disastrous effect on hormones. but our society also simultaneously promotes opposing extremes in just about every area of life. whatever happened to moderate living and thinking? it’s much easier to be on the same page with someone that way.a person with very high virility or fertility would avoid committing to one person in the first place, or probably should, unless there is a special agreement between them. such people would also likely get hit on often without provocation because of their inherent appeal. it’s the people desperately chasing after multiple partners, especially immature ones similar to their true selves, that probably suffer from a lack of virility or fertility. cue that old rolling stones song. you know the one.
and of course desire for variety is a factor. no getting around that. it seems that people are wired to get tired of the same person after a while and seek out another, but that doesn’t mean we have to obey the instinct. a lack of genuine outside friendships would also be a strain because trying to get everything you need in life from each other can be exhausting.
[/quote]on the “type o negative” band forum, marius posted a photo of himself flexing shirtless in a bright green field of grass, wearing a red clown nose:
[quote=”bionicanna”]
epic!in many of the tweets that i sent linking to the 180degreehealth thread i created last week, the message was, “in this discussion, you would be considered an ideal of developmental perfection.” that would also be my tweet message to marius.
looking back, some folks may have better appreciated the message, “so people call you fat sometimes? congratulations! you became a man / woman.”
[/quote][quote=”Marius”]
Aw, Anna, under all those cybernetics you have a good heart.Bless. :)
[/quote][quote=”bionicanna”]
right back at ya!i’ve never lost hope that i’d find the wizard someday, but maybe it really was there all along.
[/quote]also, the tendency of low body fat or calorie deficit to revert adults to an adolescent stage may make them more vulnerable to compulsive and impulsive behaviors such as eating disorders, sex addiction and drug abuse.
as one becomes more dependent on chemicals activating many of the same pathways that food does, and more dependent on the high produced by the body’s own stress responses to starvation or thrill seeking, malnutrition becomes part of a vicious cycle that eventually kills appetite for food.
this may explain why weight gain is associated with recovery, and relapses are sometimes preceded by a calorie deficit.
conspiracy theorists might also say that promoting leanness as an ideal produces a self-punishing, weak-willed nature throughout life, a despondent lack of motivation and resolve, and an inclination toward working long hours for little reward, rather than wasting a moment of time enjoying an abundant life with families and friends. so the stressful adolescent phase, marked by the difference between who one is and who one has the potential to become, ends up lasting a whole lifetime.
it could also be said that ridiculing the extremes of masculinity and femininity is an effective way to double the number of available tax-paying workers without doubling the number of available jobs. in such a competitive market, there is less pressure to pay decent wages equivalent to what people’s work is worth.
and in modern times, such a state of body and mind is painted over with a glamorous brush, but one only needs to look back at the depression era united states or at third world nations to see it unmasked.
a response from the “type o negative” band forum:
[quote=”FrenchDeath”]
The control of the adolescent population bodies doesn’t only prosper through rigged diets. Spend hours daily in front of a screen, playing vid games, and your corporal balance will capsize sooner or later : no one can deny this is happening for real.The jamming of the self perception of an individual, preferably young, of its male or female state constitutes a new layer in the control process of the people, strongly propped up by growing illiteracy
[/quote][quote=”bionicanna”]
great observations there, fd. i’m gonna keep quoting you three guys in that 180degreehealth thread until you tell me to stop.among the ants and bees, we see that only a few become sexually mature, by being specially fed, but the queen is no more free than the workers.
[/quote]continuing the discussion in the previous post:
[quote=”Marius”]
This is adding a whole new dimension to the exponential hive mentality I’m witnessing.
[/quote][quote=”FrenchDeath”]
you’re witnessing in yourself?[/quote][quote=”Marius”]
What I’m seeing in the world, like the number of people who think everything needs to be the same and equal has just exploded.
[/quote][quote=”FrenchDeath”]
Quote me as much as you need, Miss Bio.Now ants and bees are genetically programmed to being this or that. Would they understand they might do the revolution if we spoke their languages? I doubt it, they probably don’t possess the sense of happiness, not to mention freedom. Then, happiness and freedom are the remits those who intend to control us employ, since this concepts, permanently reinvested in endless interpretations, shine from the background of our necessary decisions and weaken them.
[/quote][quote=”bionicanna”]
thanks again, fd!i agree that ants and bees would not act like humans, and are most likely already reaching their full potential. but humans sometimes act like ants and bees.
i remember stopping the pursuit of a job opportunity in a location i very much liked because the owner wanted to be able to simultaneously use several people’s brains in a hivelike manner. if he was actually capable of this, would it always be reversible?
as for concepts such as happiness and freedom, the way that they are defined for us at an early age makes all the difference, though i do think deprogramming is possible.
[/quote]continuing the discussion in the previous post:
[quote=”FrenchDeath”]
so…– first rift in the human system, we rarely reach full potential, actually we rather pick up laziness, unless one has a vocation;
– if we apparently act like bugs, it might be also because of our laziness, since acting like bugs implies we avoid thinking, I’d dare say we dodge thinking;
– reversibility, in the case you quote, shows you (and I and they) refer to a time direction. it wouldn’t be reversibility, I guess, but a turn in a process which, as process, must include negative sequences. so, my answer would be yes, after such an experience we should be back to ourselves, enriched by disruptive components. but we face that on a daily basis, the difference is only of intensity;
– it would be of utmost interest to inventory a large spectrum of acceptations of happiness and freedom. this could trigger a massive nuclear war.
[/quote][quote=”Marius”]
Or maybe we could start seeing each other with love and compassion.
[/quote][quote=”bionicanna”]
those would be excellent words to end the 180degreehealth thread with. i will try my best not to think of any more bright ideas in the wee hours of the morning.
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