March 3, 2014 at 1:41 pm #15654ChoirladyParticipant
Maybe one of the reasons we don’t see more from those who have been on the program for over a year is that Matt just wrote Diet Recovery 2 nine months ago and Eat for Heat 16 months ago. I just became acquainted with his work this past December and it rang true for me as I’ve been dieting on and off since I was a teen (I’m 65 now). I could relate to the yo-yo dieting and regaining and decided to give it a try as my temps were around 97.4. In the past three months I’ve raised my temp to around 98.0 but unfortunately have gained 20 pounds, maybe because I tended toward lower carb and higher protein before. While I feel calmer and less stressed, I am very uncomfortable feeling like a blown up balloon and I really can’t accept remaining this way. Maybe the rest and re-feeding is best for those skinny folks with eating disorders. Problem is, I really can’t go back to cutting calories drastically or eating low-carb anymore, because I don’t believe in it, but I am going to try cutting back a little on fat and a little on calories overall, plus start walking or bicycling a little everyday and see if that helps. I went to the eatmore2weighless site and found it interesting to look at various BMR calculators. I will have to be careful though as I think cutting too much may result in negative effects such as a return to cravings or lower temps. It was definitely discouraging to read in the latest newsletter that Matt gained 40 lbs and hasn’t lost any of it! and that even he has suffered from “dwindling faith” at times. I do appreciate his honesty, but like others I wish there were more documented success stories with pictures. By the way, is there anyone else besides me that really doesn’t appreciate Matt’s constant sexual references? I, for one, am not interested in his penis strength or the amount of his ejaculate! Good grief. I tend to think his crude attempts at humor may decrease his credibility with some folks.March 3, 2014 at 7:54 pm #15666
Choirlady, I think it’s good to avoid extreme diets like low carb. There is a middle ground. We don’t need to starve or overexercise to be balanced. But eating large quantities over natural hunger might just keep the weight on for some of us. You will see that making a few small changes will probably do the trick and you will feel better in a month or two.
Regarding Matt’s writing style. I have to laugh because of the shock value. Matt is so well written and then he throws in a crude remark every so often and it’s very unexpected. But he sure is testing his readers and it’s not the most professional move. Then again there is plenty of professionals that are smooth salesmen that promote their 100 supplements which he doesn’t do. I respect that and see an innocence in his uncensored manners.
April 25, 2014 at 8:42 am #16228crinklyParticipant
- This reply was modified 8 years, 8 months ago by Christinam.
For the doubters:
I have followed Matt’s advice for almost a year, and I have now lost weight. I have lost about 15 pounds since January. I started eating richer foods because I was breastfeeding, and trying to eat “healthily” to lose baby weight had left me with a low metabolism made worse by the breastfeeding.
My appetite has gradually decreased without me restricting anything.Significantly so since weaning my son about a month ago. My temperature is also insane. I have lost my thermometer so can’t quote you, but after a year I just know.
After a month of eating for heat I grew an extra hairline. that’s about 5 inches long now and I have just started a new extra hairline which is about an inch long. I am worried I will end up like chewbacca from star wars.
I gained weight by eating more, about 30 pounds but I have lost half that already. I fit better into the clothes that I started EFH with, even though I weigh about 15 pounds more. Pregnancy added about 30 pounds total, which didn’t budge, so my weight now is 45 pounds over my pre-pregnancy weight. I don’t expect or want to lose all of that, but I think up to another 30 is possible. I have started to ignore weight or size and just look at the fit of my clothes. Also, whilst standing on a chair recently my partner groped my bottom and said “are you clenching your bum muscles” but I wasn’t, so I think that is a good indication that my muscle quality is up.
I will try to post pictures but I’m not sure how to. Any ideas?
My experience is largely to do with my pregnancy and 16 months of breastfeeding so it won’t ring true for everyone, but cutting calories and exercising on top of 500plus calories on breastfeeding (and drinking endless water as per the advice as if it turns straight into milk!!?) equates to a heavily restricted diet.April 29, 2014 at 6:02 pm #16285yayhowfunParticipant
Thanks for this Crinkly!! That’s really helpful! So, you’re just eating what you want (to a degree), cutting out PUFA’s, and not drinking a ton of water?
It sounds like you were breastfeeeding, so I’m sure that had something to do with it, but still good to know. :) I’d love to hear from more real people about their success!May 14, 2014 at 4:52 pm #16398David199Participant
For those on this thread i recommend reading Ari Whitten’s e-book, FOREVER FAT LOSS, which Matt references in the most recent newsletter. While Ari agrees with Matt about many things (don’t restrict calories, eat fat, starch, and sugar, Omega-6 are bad, etc), he is very much against hyper-palatable food as he says it neurologically overrides the body’s fat setpoint causing you to both eat more and store more. While Ari would agree with principles in Eat for Heat (Salt, Sugar, Starch, Saturated Fat), he would not agree with combining them into super tasty foods that not only make you overeat, but also seem to cause neurological problems in relation to your body’s set point. While Matt believes you need tons of calories, Ari argues that eating the wrong foods can raise your body’s fat set point, where eating more isn’t raising the metabolism as the body shuttles the excess calories to fat instead of using them to raise the metabolism where they would be burned off as heat.May 16, 2014 at 6:38 pm #16429
Well shoot! Another book to buy? I hate spending more money on stuff hoping it works when it never does. Maybe the fat set point is my problem. If anyone does try this please let us know if it works. Sorry, I’m having a bad fat belly day.May 17, 2014 at 10:24 pm #16443David199Participant
Hey Linda, the book was 99 cents, and it was worth that. Here is a summary. Your body has a biologically regulated fat set point. Unless you lower it, you will forever be fighting your biology. Environment plays a role in this set point. Things that raise the set point:
1. hyper-palatible food
2. eating too many calories on a consistent basis
3. too man PUFAs
4. not enough sleep
5. food or calorie restriction (includes restricting carb, fat, sugar, etc restriction)
6. not enough light (bad circadian rhythms etc)
7. Sitting all day / inactivity
8. Stress / Over-exercise
All points agree with Matt Stone except hyper-palatible food and over eating. Matt believes you need huge amounts of calories to heal your body and therefore recommends eating hyper-palatible food, but Ari believes that such strong flavors cause a neurological disregulation in the brain similar to drugs resulting in over-eating and a higher set point. Matt believed you could lower your set point through over- eating because the extra food would lower cortisol, increasing insulin sensitivity and would increase leptin circulation. These would raise metabolism. Matt believes that gaining the weight is your body readjusting to your existing set point, but also provides benefits like increased leptin.
Ari would agree that while some initial weight gain may occur if you remove a forced depravation, eating processed food with its aggressive flavors will only aggregate the problem of weight gain by raising your set point. His solution, eat simple (bland), healthy foods to fullness. Do not restrict calories, but limit PUFAs. Sleep. Stop sitting all day. Get adequate light. The only difference between Matt and Ari is not over-eating and not eating processed or highly palatable foods which in many ways are the same thing.May 18, 2014 at 10:57 am #16445
I missed out on the 99 cents by the time I saw that. Even $2.99 is not bad. I just wasn’t sure I wanted to buy another ebook. Thanks for simplifying it David. I am doing those things now – eliminating PUFAs, exercise, etc. Still not great sleep & I don’t know about daily calories. I am trying to concentrate on eating more carbs, sugar & less fat, but it’s hard because I really like the fats. Also I feel like I spent my whole life eating lowfat & I don’t went to go back there. I can’t get too bogged down in all this stuff, makes it too stressful for me. It’s just that after a year of trying to get myself straightened out I feel like it doesn’t matter what I do, nothing will change.May 18, 2014 at 5:34 pm #16446
I got this book, too. It seems like a great find, thank you! Some of you might remember that I stepped away from Matt’s recommendations and back to clean whole foods. I stuck to proper amounts, not dropping under 2000 kcal daily. Since quitting junk food like pancakes etc and eating very healthy foods like rice, fish, oil, veg, fruit, I lost the weight I had gained on eat for heat and look good in a bikini again. I will now use Ari’s tips to fine-tune, energy and health. I’ve found some gems of knowledge on this forum.
May 19, 2014 at 10:08 am #16455
- This reply was modified 8 years, 6 months ago by Christinam.
Christinam, when you talk about junk food like pancakes do you mean frozen store bought pancakes or homemade? I make pancakes from scratch all the time and don’t feel like that is junky. I make a lot of homemade snacks like crackers and cookies and breakfast bars so it doesn’t have the pufas & other junk in it. So you see, I’m still trying to figure out where to go from here. It really wasn’t supposed to be this complicated, lol.May 19, 2014 at 10:40 am #16456
I just couldn’t handle the weight gain that comes with Matt’s plan. I never made it to the promised end goal of being able to eat tons of food and be thin. I don’t know if I’m missing out. It didn’t matter to me if the pancakes were homemade or not. Highly tasty foods like that make me want to eat more than I’m hungry for. I try to eat just one ingredient foods like Ari recommends. Like baked sweet potato with salmon, veggies, baked beet with some coconut or olive oil. Or breakfast could be yogurt, whey protein powder, berries, banana. Ari sais to eat when hungry. I eat when hungry until comfortably full. About 3x per day- simple old school. And I will have a snack if I’m really hungry. But I try to eat well at meals so I don’t need to.
Maybe I’m vain but after doing Matt’s plan for 1 month, I had gained 20 lbs over my healthy medium size frame and was still gaining and I had to by large floppy tops and wear stretchy pants. I don’t want to diet and haven’t for a couple of years before Matt. But I also don’t want to push my luck by going against every logic and risk a lot more weight gain. It took muuuuch longer to lose the weight the healthy whole foods way, than it did gaining it on Matt’s plan. It’s been 3 months now and I still have 5 lbs to go. But then I’m eating well and not really dieting. And I feel much better. I got all kinds of pains and rashes? on eating processed foods and that includes homemade, sorry.
I hope you find what works for you!May 19, 2014 at 6:46 pm #16462TinaTParticipant
My plan is pretty much in line with Christinam’s. I don’t have more than 4 pounds to report as ‘lost’ – but that’s in 3 weeks, so I’m pretty happy that things are going in the right direction at a fairly good pace (faster than I lost on calorie restrictive diets!). I also let myself ‘self-regulate’ and eat all I wanted of anything I wanted for a few months, to learn more about my body’s signals and also get my metabolism back in gear. I’m staying 98.5+ Deg F pretty much all the time, now.
My plan is to eat whole foods, all home-prepared, and avoid processed/pre-packaged items. I also eat when hungry and stop when full (even if <gasp> there’s still food left on my plate! [the dog is LOVING this plan]).
Right now, I’m basically carb-cycling:
Mon/Tue I get all-I-can-eat whole fruits and whole grains, with some protein and veggies (low-fat);
Wed/Thu is all-I-can-eat low-fat proteins and veggies (low/no-carb);
Fri/Sat/Sun is all-I-can-eat natural fats (avocado, nuts/nut butters, coconut/coconut oil, olive oil) balanced with protein, grains and veggies.
So, lots of variety, just not all on the same day.
The key (for me) is knowing what to grab when I’m hungry – and never letting myself get TOO hungry. Haylie Pomroy has a book out that I’m using as a guide for menu options.June 11, 2014 at 11:00 pm #16625ToreyParticipant
Hi everyone, Just thought I’d write something since I started eat for heat in May 2013. Being very brief, I gained about 15ish lbs in about 4 months, and all my minor health problems vanished. I felt way better in every way. My weight then became stable in September 2013, eating whatever I wanted. I continue to eat whatever I want, and listen to my body. But I would say in the last few months my appetite has decreased naturally on it’s own. The whole time I continued with my normal workouts. I’ve been starting to lean out, and fit back into some of my pre- eat for heat clothes. I don’t weigh myself too often, but I have lost around 3 or 4 lbs, but seem to have gained a lot of muscle/lean tissue. So anyways, it definitely works, just need to give it a year to see. I would never go back to any dieting ever again. Right now I still eat whatever my body tells me, and I’ve never felt better. Hope that helps someone!June 11, 2014 at 11:15 pm #16626
That’s great! Did you eat relatively healthy or go full force and somewhat stuff yourself, including foods like pancakes and pizza?
Did you diet before you started?
June 12, 2014 at 10:25 am #16630crinklyParticipant
- This reply was modified 8 years, 5 months ago by Christinam.
To add to the testimonials and my previous post above I’ve dropped another 7lbs magically in about a week, eating to appetite and the usual stuff, plenty of carbs esp. for breakfast.
I’ve done a few days of hard work fencing and moving cattle, but also bought chinese food one day and pretty much feasted on another.
It works, and feeling as though you have carte blanche to eat what you like guilt-free actually helps you to eat what you need at any given time. Importantly, without restrictions you really learn to read your body’s signals, the only guidance we really need.
Like right now, I’m off for a snack.
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