July 12, 2013 at 4:26 pm #8608
@Dutchie – I do seem to be adjusting, as I feel a lot better today than yesterday. But I honestly don’t know how I’m ever going to get up to 400g. 200g isn’t leaving much room in my diet for anything else! 400g worth of sugar alone is probably double my usual calorie intake. Maybe that’s the point. What’s your usual daily sugar intake?July 12, 2013 at 4:45 pm #8614KristiParticipant
I re-introduced grains about 2 weeks ago…oatmeal or french toast at breakfast, sometimes rice at dinner, grits (I’m a southern girl!) at breakfast a couple of times, fresh corn, corn tortilla chips. I’m drinking one cup of coffee with sugar and cream per day now. Used to be 2-3 cups per day and I would only put cream in it. LOTS of ice cream. Once, sometimes twice, per day. Sweet tea, chocolate milk, or fruit juice with meals (of course, watching the amount). Fruit with cottage cheese or dates with a cheese stick for snacks. Gluten-free pretzels. Potato or sweet potato most every day. I’m finding that I have to eat all day long to keep my temp up…I can’t stomach huge meals, so I end up eating large-ish meals with snacks in between. I’m taking my kids out for gluten-free pizza for dinner tonight…YUM!! I would LOVE to re-introduce gluten once I’m in a healthy metabolic state, but I’m not there yet!July 12, 2013 at 4:59 pm #8623
@mali wow,thats a great quick improvement!:)
To be honest,i have no idea since i dont track stuff or ever want to do that,as im trying to get rid of food/macro&’having to gain weigth’issues.
I think the problem is also that there are contradicting nutritional values out there. For instance with dates and maple syrup…various brands dont have the same amounts of protein,carbs/sugars&fat listed and then those online tracking devices have just one standard amount.
I dont think theres anything wrong with having a preference for salty taste,we all differ:)
So,i dont know if it works that way…but cant you just add more salt or a salty food to kinda diminish the sweet taste’the sugar still enters the body anyway ? Like eat dates filled with creamcheese or bacon if you eat that,banana with shredded parmesan etc.July 12, 2013 at 5:01 pm #8624
@Kristi – I also have trouble with gluten, hence focusing more on sugar (avoiding gluten/grains can make it hard to get enough calories/carbs). I personally think that if you’re newish to this whole diet recovery thing, then just keep going with whatever is yummy/satiating for now. For lots of people that seems to be good enough. I’ve been dieting since the age of 11 and have had chronic fatigue and a whole host of other health issues since I was a little kid, hence I was in need of a more targeted approach. I think you’ll get a clearer idea of whether or not you need to make any further changes as time goes on. Keep us posted!July 14, 2013 at 9:57 am #8878
@Dutchie – I’m not too worried about conflicting nutritional info as I just want a rough estimate of how much sugar I’m getting. Adding bacon to sweet stuff is a great idea! I am also finding that a slice of cheese as an accompaniment to the sweet stuff helps to get it down. Have also been adding a bit more sugar to savory meals, where it is masked by the salt! Still haven’t managed to get my total daily intake to above 240g though. I’m not actually sure it’s possible to eat 400g! Everything above 100g seems to make me want to gag, lol. I wish I had my husband’s capacity for sweet stuff! On the plus side, my temperature was 98.78 the other day, so I think all the sugar has been making a difference. If I can make it through the rest of winter without having to sleep with a hot water bottle, that will be a massive victory!July 14, 2013 at 11:23 am #8898Matt StoneKeymaster
Oh come on Mali! Dates and grape juice! Dates and grape juice!July 14, 2013 at 11:42 am #8902
@Matt – Haha, I’ll try harder! I’ll get there – I think that just in terms of calories it’s a lot more than I’m accustomed to, so my stomach needs a little time to adjust… Also, I’ve had a really weird buzzy feeling since starting this (like you get when you’re in love!). Is that just what energy feels like?July 14, 2013 at 1:13 pm #8915Matt StoneKeymaster
Yes, haha. Good luck Mali!July 14, 2013 at 1:21 pm #8916
@Mali – I’ve never been much for sweet things either in my adult life (though things were different when I was a kid!) Before I went low carb most of my carbohydrates were starches simply out of preference. However, I now eat a lot of sugars, and I find that I feel great. I have WAY more energy (after years of chronic fatigue and then Lyme disease,) my sleep is so much better, and so many other improvements. My personal favorites are maple syrup and honey, both of which I eat straight all throughout the day. I literally sip maple syrup straight from the container. And I eat spoonfuls of honey. I would guess that I eat 500+ grams of sugar daily. I still don’t have a sweettooth. I don’t crave sweet things at all. But I find that I do actually enjoy eating honey and maple syrup, if for no other reason than because I feel so much healthier and happier when I do. The great thing is that sugars, especially nearly pure sugars like honey and maple syrup (or cane sugar or any other sugar that has no fiber or tons of water attached) are so easy to digest for me. In case you have a similar response to mine, I would suggest that you try giving preference to pure sugars instead of watered down sugars in juices or sugars with lots of water and fiber in whole fruits. Not to say you shouldn’t have diversity, but just a suggestion that you consider more dense forms of sugar as an easier way to get in the sugar while making it easier on your digestion. Also, sometimes sugar is even easier to get in when combined with easy-to-digest protein. For me that’s things like dairy and gelatin. For some reason (I’m betting Ray Peat has written an article about this somewhere) I can eat even more sugar if I combine at least some of it with protein. So I do things like make homemade ice cream (made with both cream and milk – i.e. contains protein) with tons of sugars in it and then I eat it with additional maple syrup on top. Just moments ago I made Jello-style gelatin with maple syrup, molasses, and dates. Oh, and salt can help too. I actually find that sugars online increase my appetite, but when combined with salt it’s a dynamic duo of digestive goodness. And also, be creative about ways to get in more sugar no matter what you are eating. For example, if you want to keep drinking fruit juice, then add more sugar to it. (Also, add a pinch of salt. I find that helps a lot with fluids.) Add sugar to all your food if feasible. My partner likes scrambled eggs drenched in maple syrup, for example. Most meats are better with sugar, I think. For example, beef with molasses is delicious. If you’re creative and determined I bet you ‘ll be surprised at how much sugar you can “sneak in” in this way. Anyway, keep us posted. It’s nice to hear your progress with this. I’m guessing this will be helpful for a lot of people because it can definitely be daunting at first to increase sugar intake.July 14, 2013 at 3:28 pm #8936
@j-lo were you also bombarded by various sources to go lowcarb/no sugar bc it ‘feeds the Lyme’? Are you cured from it now?
The sugar sources you mentioned,i have those too but im really strugling about what to eat. Would you mind sharing some recipes&what you eat on an average day?(do you also find that with that much sugar,you eat less fat?and if not doesnt it cause major fatgain?ofcourse i dont know how active you are/have a physical job)
On a sidenote,i saw this recipe for making coconutbread(looked more like a cake) and it called for 3cups of shredded coconut,which should be grinded as finely as possible. Can i just substitute it for 3cups of coconutflour,or does the flour require more or less? (of so,how much?).
Until know i always ended up throwing away whatever i wanted to bake,bc the flour got lumpy and didnt form a smooth dough or whTver,but its the only flour i can use.July 14, 2013 at 9:04 pm #8969
@Dutchie – I tried a lot of things when it comes to Lyme disease and low-carb was one of those things. Like so many of the others, low carb made things worse, not better. Now I know why – the real problem was low metabolism and starvation. I don’t have an average day, though my daily caloric intake averages 4000 calories lately. I eat whatever I want, which changes day to day, and I also make sure to eat a lot of sugar. So I kid you not when I say that I just sip maple syrup. I sip a pint a day plus I probably eat a pound of honey a day, one spoonful at a time. I just make sure I’m always eating sugar of some sort. I wish I could tell you some secret to it, but all there is to it for me is commitment to it. I just commit to eating some sort of sugar all the time. I rarely go an hour without eating honey. That is my secret. Otherwise, I eat things that sound good to me, and I “sneak in” more sugar and SALT whenever I think of it. It’s easy to add sugar to milk or ice cream, for example. 400 grams a day sounds like a lot at first, but once you commit to it, it turns out not to be so hard as you first think. At least that’s my experience. Also, to answer your other questions: I do definitely eat way less fat now then I did when I was eating low carb, but then again, I was probably eating 250 grams of fat a day then. Now my fat intake varies widely from day to day, but if I had to guess I’d say I probably average around 100 grams of fat a day. So I eat much less fat, but my diet is far from low fat. I don’t add much fat, though since I tend to eat a lot of full-fat dairy. Otherwise, I just add a small amount of butter to some things and I eat a little coconut oil sometimes. I don’t have a problem with fat gain. I continue to gain weight, but mostly lean mass. I was severely underweight for a long time. A year ago I weighed 119 pounds. I am 6 feet tall with a broad frame. So it was only up for me. I don’t even have a scale, so I don’t weigh myself often (a year ago I was visiting my inlaws and used their scale,) but judging from my appearance I would estimate that I am now at around 170 pounds or possibly even more. All of this is to say that I don’t have a hyperawareness of fat gain versus lean mass gain because from where I was a year ago ANY gain was a good thing. But I am fairly lean still judging from appearance.
I’ve never baked with coconut flour, so I don’t know the answer to your other question.July 15, 2013 at 9:41 am #9018
@j-lo are you cured from the lyme now? According to mmy energetic therapist i should be for some time now,but she said the body/organs still take 2years to recover afterwards. I havent checked any of it and quite frankly i dont care anymore.
You’re quite tall so you need the calls. Im not worried about hitting a. certain amount of sugars,bc of my past im actually afraid i can easily hit and go beyond certain amounts. Id actually would love to have your view regarding having to gain weigth vs food&cals,fatgain and relaxation/activity/working out.
I also eat maple syrup straigth from the bottle and have various brands. Odd thing is i find myself craving specific brands at certain moments. I think they all sligthly differ in mineral balance.July 15, 2013 at 11:08 am #9024
@Dutchie – I guess we’ve hijacked this thread now. :( No one knows anything about Lyme disease. That’s what I have concluded. Every “expert” has a conflicting opinion with every other “expert”, and so I think they’re all full of it. I just don’t believe anything they say. I’m well. I’m healthier now than I have been in about ten years, and I keep getting better the longer I eat and relax and enjoy life. The more I loosen up and focus way less on my “problems” and more on enjoying life in a really honest way (meaning relaxing and listening to my body and my true desires) the more I feel better and better. A year ago I was a skeleton, and I had been for several years. I couldn’t hardly walk. Then I started eating. And within a month I had enough energy to start building two cabins! I dug out a greywater system by hand. I just kept eating and spending my days in the sun and laughing and smiling and not worrying about my “problems”. I gained probably about 60 pounds that summer and fall. I’ve done a few strange eating experiments since then that were disastrous, but when I returned to eating a minimum of 3000 calories a day (that seems to be my absolute minimum) then things would get better. So am I “cured”? I don’t know. All I know is that when I eat and enjoy life I feel good and keep feeling better. I have worse days and better days, but overall my worst days now are lightyears better than my best days a year ago. And as far as gaining weight/food/calories/fat gain/etc., I honestly think the key to success is not to think about it so much. Instead, I just focus on eating and enjoying life. After 20 years of restrictive eating I have come to realize that my “sensors” are a bit out of whack. So I can’t always rely on “feeling hungry”, for example. But I can recognize that I feel irritable or have less energy than I did an hour ago. And that can be my reminder to eat. Otherwise, I do my best to have other things that are more important to me than thinking about all the details that I’ll probably never really figure out anyway. Bottom line is I learned that eating enough is important for me, and all my old obsessive thinking was largely what stood in the way of eating enough. So I don’t engage in the obsessive thinking anymore for the most part. It’s a process, of course. Sometimes I find myself obsessing still. But now I know I have a choice. And so ironically, it’s not even a problem to obsess…it’s just unpleasant. So I choose not to do it when I become aware of it. And, to bring this back around to the original theme of this thread – sugars make a huge difference in this regard. Sugars are my number one way to eat enough at this point. Fat simply doesn’t have the same effect. So I aim to eat more sugars.July 15, 2013 at 4:03 pm #9059July 16, 2013 at 9:41 am #9132
Not sure what I think about Lyme Disease. It seems like everyone’s being diagnosed with it, regardless of whether or not they’ve been bitten by a tick and had the initial “tick bite fever”. I live on a farm in South Africa and get loads of tick bites every year, but I’ve never gotten tick bite fever. I don’t know, it all seems a bit suspicious to me.
On the plus side, this recipe is SUPER high in sugar, and pretty tasty too! http://www.carnation.co.uk/Recipes/67/Ultimate-Fudge
I worked out that one square (if you cut the whole thing into 16 pieces) has 41g sugar! If you have it with a glass of milk (13g), that’s 54g in one small snack!
Stewed apples with lots of added sugar and raisins is also cool. I cooked up 11 apples with 1/2 cup sugar, and managed to eat half of that in one sitting (with additional raisins).
@j-lo – Beef with molasses sounds interesting! Not sure if I’ll ever be able to drink maple syrup neat – I had a spoonful of neat honey the other day and it was not pleasant! But thanks for all the great suggestions – definitely going to try sneaking in more sugar in places where it’s unnoticeable!
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