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I did eat my cookie stash and it felt good :)
Said loved one has backed off, this week I’m starting a new experiment, I said I’d try avoiding flour products for a few weeks (bread mostly, which I eat a lot of) and bump up my intake of whole food instead (rice, potatoes etc), and have dates, honey and chocolate for sweets when I want them.
I’ll see how that goes, I don’t mind a restriction like that if it is only temporary and I can eat other food instead. I think this will be easier than my no fructose experiment (way to make food really boring LOL).
Wow, this has been a really interesting thread with some real gems in it!
I only had a small weight gain from RRARF (approx 4 kgs/9 lbs), but I think that is for a few reasons:
1) Fortunately, my metabolism wasn’t too badly damaged. I had spent years as a vegan, then a year or so loosely on Schwarzbein, which undid a lot of the veganism damage (fatigue and loss of menstrual cycle), but that put me into being a little too restrictive on carbs, RRARF corrected that.
2) I mostly ate to appetite and didn’t deliberately overeat except maybe some extra cookies, marmalade and honey here and there. I had also spent years following (on and off) Reinhard Engels’ “No S Diet” and that conditioned me into not overeating (the “No Seconds” rule) as well as considering sugary foods to be indulgences best saved for the weekend. I think a mistake people perhaps make is not realizing that RRARF is temporary? Maybe there should be clearer guidelines about what you’re supposed to do after RRARF. I could be wrong, but I saw similar thing happening in the GAPS diet community (I dabbled with that too, only for a few weeks), my understanding is that GAPS is a temporary strict diet to repair gut health, but I spoke to people who had been on it for years for no obvious reason other than it became a habit that stuck.
3) I’m naturally a homebody and cook most of my food from scratch and think that really helps. I went through a phase of eating more convenience food (supermarket ready made meals) when I was working on a house renovation and gained a bit of weight, even though I picked “healthy” options, I think these things contain more PUFAs than I would otherwise eat, rapeseed oil (AKA canola) seems to be in everything here in the UK!
Just adding a very late reply to this!
My full term weight was 78kgs (171 lbs), within 2 weeks of little one arriving I was 64kgs (141 lbs) and stuck exactly there for what felt like forever. My baby is 9 months old now and I have only recently started having some bursts of weight loss here and there. To me it just felt like my body is hanging onto that extra and won’t let it go. I think my bursts of weight loss happen when weaning is going well and baby is getting more calories from real food, but it seems to stall or even revert when she has odd days of wanting to nurse like crazy.
I’ve generally found that while breastfeeding exercise wipes me out way too much so I’m just sticking to walking (I think it is a combination of having higher energy needs overall, and not getting enough rest/sleep to recover because of the night time nursing). I’ve recently come to realise that I need to let go of thinking about weight loss until baby is weaned and I have my body back.
Glad to hear you haven’t given up the things you like :) I thought her “no gluten” thing just seems like jumping on the anti gluten bandwagon that everyone is on these days.
My appendix surgery was emergency too with antibiotics, I had gluten intolerance for a year after that, and despite what diet gurus say, I didn’t lose weight on a gluten free diet, I gained, I generally had a stressful year then too which I think was another factor. Doing RRARF for a month or so followed by eating to appetite (and for heat) fixed my gluten intolerance very quickly :).
I have a couple of quick tricks if I start feeling cold (maybe from some days of under-eating, too much exercise etc.) I make a big batch of cookies and/or cake using coconut oil and eat as much of those as I want. I also snack on handfuls of dates with little pieces of dark chocolate and make sure to get a good solid meal with salty carbs. Rice with various curries is good, or a savory pie with mashed potato :)
I like weight training, but I find it quite stressful on the body so don’t do it as often as I used to. I had good results just doing a weights or kettlebell DVD once a week. I’m breastfeeding at the moment and have found that I don’t recover from exercise so easily right now. I go walking with my baby most days (we have a jogging stroller) and I find that is enough exercise for the moment :)
I had a look at Haylie Pomroy’s FMD plan, it seems like a kind of carb cycling. I guess that can work because you hopefully don’t do anything long enough to mess up your metabolism.
I notice her food lists ban bread and caffeine, why must these diet gurus always suck the joy out of life? :D
The Schwarzbein principle is a diet that worked well for me in the past, I followed it for a few months and lost 10lbs, then relaxed a bit about the carbs but didn’t regain any weight until I had appendix surgery and that messed up my metabolism somehow. The weird thing is, when I tried SP again more recently, it didn’t work second time around and I found it really hard to stick to. I think that is for 2 reasons, the first time I did it, I must have had a nice little catecholamine honeymoon! And, secondly my energy needs are probably much higher now, as since the first time I did SP I built up a lot of muscle with kettlebell workouts (I went from not being able to carry a multipack of 1 liter water bottles, to working on a house renovation and lifting 20kg bags of cement). Anyway, I digress! :)
Thanks for the podcast, I’ll take a look :)
Just thought I’d update this in case anyone is actually following! I went 4 weeks with no obvious sources of fructose (sugar, juice, fruits, honey), just some occasional dextrose for sweetness.
An interesting thing happened after just over 4 weeks of doing this, I went from not feeling particularly bothered about the lack of sugar in my diet (I didn’t crave it particularly) to waking up suddenly with massive sugar cravings, particularly for Kitkats – I haven’t eaten a Kitkat for about 10 years so this was odd!
I figured my body is telling me I need sugar, so I had some real sugar on cornflakes, had a piece of cake and some chocolate, and found that the Kitkat craving finally went away and I felt rather happy and well :) I had a few days of eating more sugar than is my normal habit, but my sugar cravings have settled back to something acceptable. I now don’t think sugar is addictive necessarily, if it were, surely I’d spiral into a sugar binge frenzy needing more and more rather than having a bit extra then feeling “ok, that was enough sugar for now”.
So my month of no fructose/sugar resulted in:
1. about 1.5kgs of weight loss (nothing spectacular).
2. a kind of taste-bud reset, making everything taste sweeter than usual (that was kind of cool).
3. A few weeks of feeling kind of blah… not really tired, but not massively motivated either. Everything just felt kind of boring. I didn’t realize how much so until I had some sugar and felt like my brain/moods/energy got revitalized and suddenly life seemed interesting :D. I’m guessing this is something to do with dopamine?
After this, I don’t have much interest in quitting sugar, while it was nice to have a little weight loss, it isn’t worth it if the cost is feeling kind of blah and unmotivated. I think I’ll stay off the fruit juice for a while though, as I think it’s been better for me to eat more actual food instead.
p.s. we started the 8 week fructose free thing 4 weeks ago, so have another 4 weeks to do.
p.s. to give you an idea of body type, I’m built like Gwyneth Paltrow. Now imagine if Gwyneth Paltrow gained 15lbs or so and got kind of puffy, that’s what I look like right now :D
Hi, wow, nice to see a response, was starting to think no one comes here anymore :D
Yes, my gluten problem completely resolved (woo hoo!) now I eat it most days in some form (bread or pasta).
I eat according to my natural appetite and preferences, which works out to be around an 80-90% vegan diet, with some butter, eggs, dairy and occasional meat. My meals tend to be based around a generous serving of starch (bread/potatoes/rice/pasta) with some protein and saturated fat from coconut oil or butter. I don’t have much of a sweet tooth and prefer starch (with plenty of salt!), I feel lousy if I cut back on starch at all but I can easily do without sugar and fruit. I do feel that a small amount of table sugar occasionally perks up my mood (like a teaspoon or two in some tea, or a piece of cake).
I don’t think much of calorie counting, but do it occasionally out of interest, I’m breastfeeding at the moment (weaning) and eat around 2500-2700 cals a day. My appetite varies massively and is very much influenced by what is going on with baby’s growth spurts etc. Before pregnancy and breastfeeding I think I was eating around 2200 cals a day. I’m kind of slim built/light frame though (even carrying extra baby weight, I just look skinny-fat instead of skinny), I’m sure someone more solid/heavier than me needs more cals.
How are you and your little boy doing now? Not much activity on this forum is there?
I’d like to lose about 10lbs of pregnancy weight gain I’m still carrying around, but wasn’t really sure how to go about it without metabolic damage.
I recently read “Forever Fat Loss” and think it offers a more realistic way to lose weight than low carb. The main points in that books seem to be eating unprocessed whole foods to appetite and increasing NEAT (I’m sure as a mother of 7, you get plenty of NEAT!) as a way of creating a subtle enough calorie deficit to promote some fat loss but not enough to cause metabolic damage. It is a bit of a paleo diet in disguise in places (the author doesn’t rate grains and legumes very highly, but he’s not saying you need to eliminate them either). As someone who prefers a mostly vegan diet (I don’t like meat and dairy) I find it hard to avoid grains and legumes and still eat enough calories to feel well (especially while breastfeeding), so that’s a recommendation I’ve just had to ignore. I’m currently trying to follow the recommendations from this book that I can. I’m not sure I agree on the NEAT so much, I personally find that eating well and getting enough food naturally causes more NEAT (for me it translates as the desire to get up and active doing chores, go out walking etc), but NEAT is not something I can easily force my body to do if the extra energy isn’t there.
Update – not sure if anyone will read it as this forum doesn’t seem very active, but anyway, I thought I should update as I read here a little while ago that there is a lack of input from people who have done this more than a year. I first did RRARF in November 2013.
After I did the RRARF (I did it for about a month) I felt quite at peace with food, my appetite settled down a lot and I just happily ate to appetite. I’d gone from looking skinny fat pre RRARF to looking a bit more solid, I gained about 4kgs (9 lbs). I continued with a fairly high carb intake but cut out sugar when my husband complained that I was looking a bit puffy. After cutting out the sugar but still eating to appetite I lost 1kg, I think I looked a bit better and lost some “puffiness”. I just had sweets at the weekend or other special occasions.
Health and energy wise everything was good, my gluten intolerance resolved and in the summer of 2014 I got pregnant.
Pregnancy was good, no particular problems, I just continued eating to appetite, the only real craving I had was salt. I ate as much salt as I wanted and my blood pressure was fine. I gained 17kgs (about 40lbs). I had a very healthy chunky baby. Baby is 7 months old and despite breastfeeding I’m still around 4kgs (9 lbs) heavier than pre-pregnancy.
At the moment, I’m torn between wanting to feel metabolically healthy and pressure from well meaning loved ones to “get my body back” and be thin again, I keep getting comments like “should you be eating that?” etc. I agreed to do the no sugar thing again as that has worked for me before, but I’m keeping some in by having it in my morning tea (I noticed it’s good for my mood).
I’m really hoping that I can somehow improve how my body looks with exercise so that people get off my case about diet, Generally I’ve realised that life as a woman means people think they have a say over how your body should look and what you should eat, heaven forbid you “let yourself go” and gain a few pounds.
In summary, I’m about 18lbs heavier than I was before RRARF, half of which is pregnancy weight that hasn’t shifted yet. But, I’m still feeling the benefits of this way of eating. I barely even suffered any hair loss or coldness postpartum (a common postpartum issue apparently) despite having a winter baby, and haven’t felt too tired despite sleep disruptions.
Lindsey, interesting to hear from someone else who had this fluoride treatment done!
I know a woman who suffered severe morning sickness during pregnancy, and when her baby got his teeth they were black and soft. Her theory was that her pregnancy sickness meant he didn’t get the minerals he needed to build strong teeth, I think her dentist said something similar (no crazy accusations of dummies dipped in sugar!).
Interesting about the sugar and teeth. Do you really only brush your teeth twice a week?
I had tooth decay issues as a kid, the dentist kept telling my parents I was eating too many sweets/too much sugar, creating a lot of guilt for all of us. My family (no one else had teeth issues) all ate the same foods, we ate home cooked whole foods daily with some sugar as extras (sugary cereals, jam, marmalade, nutella etc. for toast, ice cream as a treat etc).
I was portrayed by my dentist as greedy and my parents were portrayed as irresponsible. I was put on a strict no sugar diet for 6 weeks (at the age of about 6). I remember my grandma getting sweets for everyone except me and giving me sugar free gum LOL. After my sugar free detox I went back to the dentist, he practically accused me and my mother of cheating on the sugar free thing (more guilt!) and insisted that I have a “flouride treatment”. Basically I had to sit with trays of weird fluouride gel in my mouth a few times. My teeth got no better and we just learned to live with the fact that I was a greedy pig and that’s why my teeth were awful. Served me right huh?
Anyway, my teeth are not too bad as an adult, I do have receding gums though but according to my dentist, very healthy teeth with no sign of infection. She isn’t sure why I have receding gums, seems like some kind of tissue weakness rather than any infection being present.
My theory is that the fluoride treatment I was subjected to caused some kind of damage – the soft tissues in my mouth have never quite been the same since (not helped by having metal braces as a teenager also). My MIL is German, they are very anti fluoride in Germany and she was shocked when I told her I had to sit with trays of fluoride in my mouth for an hour at a time!
That chiropractor sounds crazy!
My view on calorie restriction is that it’s like you’ve been given a Ferrari, and instead of driving it and enjoying it, you keep it in the garage.
I’m also not sure if it applies to humans as neatly as it does to lab mice or whatever.
My late grandfather in-law was very interesting, he lived to 97. He was very thin, but ate very well, drank coffee every day, liked sugar and sweets. His exercise was a daily bike ride until he was about 94 and became less mobile. He developed some kind of mild dementia after he stopped going out everyday. A year or so before he died, he had a moment of lucidity and we asked him what his secret to long life was, he said “don’t drink water with meals”, that was it, no complicated rules or restrictions :)
He experienced genuine starvation in his youth during world war 2, which I suppose gave him an appreciation of eating well thereafter.
When he died, there was no obvious cause of death, his body just seemed to stop suddenly – like a machine that finally conks out.
ETA: if anyone is wondering, he didn’t follow a particular diet, but ate mostly carbs (potatoes, bread, pasta, rice, cake, cookies), a little deli meat and cheese almost daily, had a salad on the side of each meal (even if the meal was soup!), and some basic fruit daily like an apple or two.
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Pancakes or toast with butter (or almond butter) honey and salt, tea with honey, and tropical fruit juice (to my surprise! I always thought tropical fruit is supposed to be cooling). I don’t eat much refined sugar, but when I do (usually marmalade or sweetened yogurt) that works very well.
I sometimes find though that after eating refined sugar I get a brief spell of nausea (for less than 5 mins). Don’t know what that means. Also have to avoid honey in the evening because it keeps me awake.