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  • in reply to: A complicated recovery #12576
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    Did I spell yolks, yokes? Yikes!
    Or perhaps that should be yilks!

    in reply to: A complicated recovery #12543
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    I kind of do wapf -lite. I got into the habit of making bone broths and it stuck. My daughter’s regular digestive pain has vanished. And I think it helps you cook and understand the principles behind cooking. I have hens laying eggs with the orangest yokes – is that vit a? I do spend time in the kitchen but not to extremes. I like that my kids are confident to cook and think nothing of producing their own biscuits, bread etc.
    Linda good luck with exercise. I felt much the same till I did more. Bit by bit you add momentum and gradually feel stronger and much better. and to think I hated it before!

    in reply to: A complicated recovery #12383
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    Thanks Dutchie, that’s confirming. I think if we share info when we have similar experiences we can get somewhere. I also have the estrogen problems and some success starting with my efforts there. Now to put it together. And lose weight too! I Don’t know much about dopamine and can only hope that I don’t need to – that managing these two things plus weight loss ( which is another another story:-( )will be enough!

    in reply to: A complicated recovery #12379
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    Sorry – smartphones!! Just wanted to say i talked about it in ‘peat steps ‘ under ‘ nutrition ‘ and Ann posted lots of very helpful info on peat stuff which is sort of where it so happens I seem to be heading by following what works for me. I think orthorexia might be a danger with peat, but hopefully being a ‘post-dieter ‘ gives one some protection there.

    in reply to: A complicated recovery #12378
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    Hey David thanks for the update! I’m dying to know – did the milk and bananas make you feel groggy and tired – or were you just bored? I ask because like you I’ve recently had far better energy on carbs – especially fruit and sugar in my case, until a bad patch of feeling drugged, too sleepy, almost narcoleptic, with migraines and nausea. worst of all my already ghastly years – long insomnia got so much worse I was a total wreck. Trying to get to the bottom of it, I wondered if all the milk and bananas I was having was just too much tryptophan. But it’s impossible to avoid, So after lots of reading and chasing up all references to the subject, I decided to try reset my circadian rhythms by keeping the higher tryptophan stuff for supper and bedtime, avoid the rest of the day. I also added bcaa. I also moved my exercise to as early as possible in the day, just for now. Well, the bcaa helped immediately – taken first thing in the morning about 30 mins before food I immediately felt clearer headed. Everything has started to get better though this has only been a week. But interestingly ,you mentioned muscle soreness and as a bonus when I took the bcaa after gym it worked and the 5 days of stiffness I’d been
    having turned into zero.not even 1 minute. I thought I’d share as I too have a low carb history, energy problems, crashing, and really bad unfixable insomnia. @

    in reply to: Peat steps #12275
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    Ann (sorry I have an Anne in the family so I always tend to put that ‘e’ on the end!) I have been struggling to read on the RP forum because I mostly have to use a smartphone and it doesn’t work so well. I did a search on insomnia and although I did not get far due to the phone, I did get a few pages, and on one there was something confusing about the thyroid releasing ‘colloid’ when no longer suppressed, and this causing insomnia. I don’t know, and don’t know what one would do if this is so. But seeing as today I have access for a while to a laptop, so much easier, I thought I’d ask you about insomnia. While more fruit, sugar, salt, aspirin, and gelatin are doing a lot for energy and aching, my sleep, already abysmally bad, is going the other way :( . Fast :(. So bad that I’m functioning worse during the day, so badly that I’m struggling to think. I have tried everything I can think of/have been told. A big/small/early/late/no meat dinner. caffeine/exercise/naps have all been tried in all combinations, no clear results. Gelatin/sugar/salt/aspirin/niacin before bed/in the night sometimes do/don’t work. I’m not eating purist RP style so I don’t even know what to step back on if I’ve taken it too far. I tried half a pregnenolone – 15mg -two days then stopped in case that was it. Too early no doubt but I’m getting desperate. I tried less/more progesterone cream. I’ve tried various teas and sachets of stuff – currently magnesium theanine and glycine – no help. Looking it up, I just reread stuff I’ve read before, plus frankly unhelpful stuff saying alarm clocks are the devil and one should do ‘free running sleep’ and so on. I usually find exercise helpful but it’s not making any difference to anything at the moment – a 1.5 hour walk yesterday; riding a horse for 30 minutes, quite demanding – on Friday; 4 days of exercise all in last week but usually it’s 5. If anything, nights are worse after exercise but that doesn’t mean better if none, as I’ve tracked sleep many times looking for patterns and the pattern is – there is no pattern. what seems to influence sleep one night does the opposite the next. Going to sleep is not the problem. Even multiple wakeups are not the end of the world if, in between times, I get satisfying sleep as opposed to feeling like I’m just dozing. I’ve tried relaxation but as I said, going to sleep is not the problem. so meditation/no backlit screens, tv, phone, laptop at all/for hours before bedtime also no go.
    If, as I used to, I was simply overdoing RP’s stuff I could easily back off. Also, if I could think straight perhaps I could see what the problem was. Literally the only thing I haven’t done is prescription drugs and I have no interest in going that way from all I’ve read.
    Excuse the chaotic nature of this post which simply reflects the state of my brain. I don’t know. Expensive over-hyped ‘sleep clinics’ next??

    in reply to: Peat steps #12274
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    Anne you have a remarkable story and I am so glad that you found your way in spite of the unhelpfulness of the ‘heal yourself’ community. I’m also glad to hear that your body recovered without organ damage.
    It just occurred to me, why can’t ‘heal yourself’ mean what worked for you – the decision you made to use a professional when that was what you needed, and to use food for what it can do, and to use meditation etc. for what that can do? The real breakthroughs may come when you reject the propaganda of both sides and use both mainstream and self help tools for what they’re best at, when the time is right, recognizing the strengths and the weaknesses and cherrypicking accordingly? Now THAT is taking full responsibility for yourself but as you know, it requires you to do the work of finding out beyond the timewasting, damaging smokescreens of misinformation and myth. But it is really profound work because you have to be a ‘post-consumer’ and a ‘post-patient’ just like I think of the 180 community as ‘post-dieters’. The profit and power motive control our knowledge, what we learn, what ‘choices’ we are offered – I think it’s years of work to get out from under that before we can even start to look for real answers.

    in reply to: Peat steps #12044
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    Regarding recent 180 posts about state of mind, I went through 6 years of therapy to help me with healthier relationships, because while I was not abused I had a very poor relationship with my mother and resulting poor self esteem, rock bottom, disastrous choices, very self destructive patterns. I date the turnaround in my life to then. Pre-therapy and post-therapy, a tale of two lives.

    To try and put this more clearly: to deal with serious life issues, I believe in something like therapy with a really good therapist: a really effective, long term, in depth, professional approach. But I personally have never found stress reduction approaches including meditation effective. Regarding moods and stress I find nothing works in terms of meditation and stress relieving approaches, just as nothing in terms of ‘sleep hygiene’ does anything for me. Other people swear by them and I’m glad they work for them, but for me, easily the most effective and profound changes have come from food.

    in reply to: Peat steps #12043
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    Ann thank you for all the input. I’ve printed it out and I’m reading through it, there is a lot there for which I am grateful and I’m going to do it justice by thinking it through and following those links. Regarding the reputation for difficulties in the beginning, I can really understand that and I would say nobody should even try till their body is very much strengthened. Orange juice would have disagreed horribly with me a while ago. Ditto coffee. Ditto aspirin. Even too much fruit. Recently even gelatin did not go down well with me. As everyone is always saying, you have to follow what’s making you feel good, and take small steps, and maybe wait sometimes back off and wait awhile without writing it off because that something that currently disagrees with you may work wonders when the time is right.

    Dutchie, I’m just having way more sugar and fruit, in the mornings mostly. I’m keeping the eggs for lunch rather, and having something like a few pancakes in coconut oil with lots of syrup and fruit for breakfast, followed by coffee made with 100% milk and several sugars – I have two of those before lunch and they do not make me feel wired, and it’s about 800ml of milk all in. That is the main change. Then a gelatin drink with lots of sugar and a bit of salt, at some point in the day, before exercise and again before sleep, and again in the middle of the night when I wake up :(. Then a smaller dinner than I was having, with a piece of chicken or something, with some potato or rice, for dinner.

    I seldom snack and I hate having to eat something at midnight but I do if I feel too wide awake and need some help to get back to sleep, which is most nights, though only sometimes does it put me in a good deep sleep again!!

    I’m not having much fruit juice as the price to buy it and the unbelievable shlepp to make it is offputting!! It’s also only citrus banana apple and papaya season here, but in a month or two it’s strawberries and then summer fruit and other tropical fruit. I’ll have lots more then. I’m not crazy about veg even though I have a veg garden. I’m trying half a raw carrot, taking that slowly because it usually is very indigestible for me, but half not a whole, and not every day, is going down fine.

    I’m having an aspirin when I feel that burning ache, you must know it from CFS/fibromyalgia type symptoms. Sometimes I’ve felt it warm me up and relax me when I’ve done that. It’s been a revelation. It never did a thing for me when I was taking half a tab (300mg per tab) but now that I take a whole one and sometimes again later in the day or night, I can feel a huge difference. Before, I couldn’t as I felt it hurt my stomach.

    Transit time is better, much better, and along with it mood, no aching, good energy, no PMS. These are all my major issues, that and the sleep which unfortunately is not responding. I’m holding thumbs it lasts, I’m not intending to do much more than what I already do as going back to any kind of restriction is not going to happen for me. I’m going to look into switching to pregnenolone from progesterone cream but I’ll take that one slowly.

    Ann, I know what you mean about gradual changes and if I wasn’t about halfway there already none of this would work for me, I just know it. I’m taking K2 but I see my supplement is tiny, like 200ug. Must look for a better one than that. Then progesterone cream in my case continues to make a difference – but you know how some things work for some people when they theoretically ‘shouldn’t’.

    I’m excited about these results because these are the major ones for me and always have been. But the real reason, the biggest reason, is that it is very close to how I ate before I messed it all up, first with low fat, but mainly with low carb, and that was 7 sad old years. We had an orchard and hens when I grew up and I ate lots of eggs and fruit and milk. Especially fruit. I would sit in the orchard with my lap full of sunwarmed peaches and eat the lot. I remember loving jelly too. So to me this is by far the main reason why I like this approach – it ‘gels’ with lifelong habits, it’s a return to how I used to eat.

    I’ll be following up all links and suggestions. Thank you so much and let’s keep talking!

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    Sunlight and grass, absolutely agree. I’ve had insomnia for years. Best sleep I ever got – and this was while I was super thin from hcg and into year 7 of low carb, polyuria big time and 5 + loo wakeups per night so HARDLY in good shape to put it mildly – nevertheless for 10 days I slept through the night and peed like a normal person. we were staying on a farm in winter, in an unheated freezing farmhouse, so only went inside to sleep. from dawn to dusk we walked around that farm. The Sun was weak and it was rocks not grass, in heavy boots not barefoot. It was tough walking, not easy strolling. And yet I haven’t slept that well since childhood. Also, no cell or internet reception. Never sat down. Can’t do that in normal life though I try be as active as possible. But I’ve never recaptured that sleep…

    in reply to: Peat steps #11954
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    Ann, I did get the responses on the blog and just posted a reply, and I will reply here too and to Dutchie too, just gotta run now to go ride a horse! Dutchie you’re probably in a similar time zone to me being in Europe, but Ann I think we’re hours our of synch. I’m in South Africa. Will get back to you later, and thank you so much for all the lovely long thoughtful responses. Have a great day – if it is day;)

    in reply to: Insomnia #11540
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    David how are you sleeping now? I’ve done some of the stuff on your list – melatonin, 5 htp, antihistamines. Also loads of herbal tea etc. Always been to scared to go the prescription or even otc route as many conventional meds disagree with me. Most things I’ve tried either leave me too groggy, light sensitive, dull headache but mainly just dont work. 2 years of healing later I have many improvements but not the sleep! Tried the sugar/ salt / sugar & salt / big dinner / small “dinner / no caffeine after noon / gelatin / repeat. Kept sleep logs, stopped when inconsistency of results to all attempts made it clear there are no patterns or lessons I can discern and build on. Repeated attempts at regular intervals.some days I feel ok even after a bad night. Mostly not. Try not to nap to get circadian rhythms working and because naps give me same symptoms ( groggy , dull headache etc). I get to sleep fine so the relaxation methods are not necc. But then I wake up few hours later, toss turn doze ache try sugar / salt / a cookie / salty O.J. / Etc till 5 ish when enveloped by a sense of warm dreamy well being, I drift into th. e first satisfying sleep session all night , and 30 minutes later the alarm wakes me soo can get the family off to school /work. Breakfast and school lunches await, and traffic :'(

    in reply to: Can I get TOO fat? #11289
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    I dont know conchess. You might regain it all. I did, and more. But it sounds like you’re on the righteous track, keep going, keep reading. I think there are people in these forums who’ve got similar stories to you. I also thought my story wasn’t similar to others around here but now I see it is, there are others having a similar journey. And that is a big thing because it’s lonely otherwise and you can feel like the one freak that nothing works for. Which is not the case! From my own experience I’d recommend making the changes gradually and not being surprised when you get backlashes, and expecting some discomfort for a while because on the whole this healing thing takes so much longer than you think it will but also is so worth it. And keep active in a moderate way. For strength and coping and not getting depressed.

    in reply to: Hormonal Nausea #11224
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    Possibilities to look into for estrogen taming – these work for me:
    coffee but not if it wires you, made with milk it doesn’t in my case
    progesterone cream (apparently there’s a question mark about this, I forget the details, maybe look them up, but for me I feel much better on it)
    liver support as mentioned above
    Best of luck!

    in reply to: Ssshhhhh!!! Quiet by Susan Cain #11223
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    Yes to all those points, always wondered why I love the sound of a door closing, leaving me on my own in a silent room. Just got back from a short (careful planning on my part!) lunch with an old, dear friend and a small group of her very nice friends with whom I almost felt relaxed, or as close as I can in a group. And here I am now, irritable and totally frazzled. It was only 2 hours but I’m drained. Yet I could read around the clock if I could find enough worthwhile material, and someone else to live my actual life for me ;)
    Thanks for the link!

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