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  • in reply to: Swollen Feet and Ankles #7619
    tangytam
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    @Kedado

    I’m really curious to know what Gwyneth’s reply to your email was. What were her dire predictions?

    in reply to: Cheeseslave's Weight Loss Diet #7618
    tangytam
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    @jmaybe

    Yep. You have a major point. If it wasn’t totally shocking, then she wouldn’t be getting all the page views. Matt Stone and Go Kaleo have both linked this issue on Facebook and have big followings (many interlap) but I’m sure there are others as well.

    Which brings about the question: is Cheeseslave hard-core trolling? Bringing the drama tends to bring the money, too.

    Or maybe this is how she finds out who her true friends and friendly bloggers are in her side of the interwebs. Will they all lambast her and stampede in to crush her? It seems that Matt is taking the gentler road here, with a wait-and-see approach.

    That all only applies if she really is trolling, though.

    in reply to: Swollen Feet and Ankles #7577
    tangytam
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    Hey Kedado, it might be helpful to read one of Matt’s articles that was pre- Eat for Heat, here-
    http://180degreehealth.com/2012/02/how-much-water-should-you-drink

    It’s been awhile since I read EFH, so it may be redundant anyway, but instead of drastically cutting down your intake of fluids, try replacing them with sugary and/or salty beverages ? something other than plain ol? water. He gives recommendations in the article. Salt may be the key here, as well. How much salt are you eating?

    Of course, it could be other things as well. Just refeeding could be the reason, as your body is working hard to repair. Edema, although not specifically in the hands and feet, is a common reoccurrence for a person recovering from a restrictive eating disorder.
    http://www.youreatopia.com/blog/2012/5/22/edema-the-bane-and-blessing-of-the-recovery-process.htm

    And then there’s plain old lymphatic and blood vessel stuff. Severe edema of the legs and ankles is a symptom that many doctors look for when looking for signs of heart trouble. I’m not trying to scare anyone, but check this out- http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003104.htm

    Some other things to try would be taking a short walk, and while I know that Gwyneth doesn’t advocate exercise while truly recovering, a short 5-10 minutes should get some blood and lymph moving, without sending the body into a stressful state. Some people like mini-trampolines for this reason, but again, not for cardio purposes. Edema typically happens in non-active tissues, as the blood doesn’t see a lot of reason to be constantly pushed through the vessels if there’s not a lot of action going on there. For more advanced whole body learning, look into Sue Hitzmann’s the Melt Method for connective tissue hydration and Katy Bowman’s Aligned and Well blog for getting proper blood circulation techniques.

    Or you could do dry brushing (http://www.meltmethod.com/blog/using-lymph-brush) or some massage to help move fluid and lymph. Another physical intervention is to alternate hot and cold water plunges. Put hot water in a bath and icy cold water in a bucket next to the bath and alternate 30 seconds of feet dunking to manually constrict and dilate the blood vessels.

    in reply to: Unexplained tooth pain #7323
    tangytam
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    I agree with Kai’s points and would add looking into adding probiotics and pineapple, too. Also make sure that you’re getting enough protein for your weight because without certain amino acids your body doesn’t make enough glutathione, which is the body’s master antioxidant.

    I recommend reading Dr. Ellie Phillips’ xylitol protocol, if you’re interested in more information about incorporating xylitol into your dental healing. She deals with a lot of regeneration issues as well, and recommends pineapple for its enzymatic healing benefits.

    If you enjoy reading and researching, her site is a treasure trove of info- http://ultimateoralhealthguide.com/

    However, you can start here-

    http://ultimateoralhealthguide.com/2012/12/04/zellies-complete-mouth-care-system-booklet/

    http://ultimateoralhealthguide.com/2013/01/07/zellies-xylitol-guidebook-how-to-use-xylitol-for-ultimate-oral-health/

    Her info is free and is very helpful. I’ve been doing her program for 2.5 months now and saw results within a week.

    However, if you really are following Gwyneth’s guidelines, then you should know that you are way under your calorie minimums. 2500 is the least she recommends, and if you are a male, or an <25 female, then you need 3000+ for recovery. Maybe go back and read http://www.youreatopia.com/blog/2011/9/14/i-need-how-many-calories.html

    Remember, this has to do with healing and not weight monitoring.

    in reply to: Cheeseslave's Weight Loss Diet #7321
    tangytam
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    “A non-ED person will say she feels irritated, fatigued, hungry and moody when starving. The leptin levels dropping are creating unpleasant moods and extreme hunger to signal to the brain that it is time to go find more food/energy to eat.

    An ED person will say she is not hungry. Although experts dispute whether she actually does feel hunger or not, it is clear she feels calmer, energized and dissociated from negative feelings (emotionally blunted) as a result of suppressing her hunger [S. Guisinger, 2003; M. Duclos et al., 2012]. The ED-skewed neurotransmitters are able to override what the leptin levels should be triggering: unpleasant moods and the desire to eat more.” – http://www.youreatopia.com/blog/2011/9/13/phases-of-recovery-from-restricted-eating.html

    I think all the “negative” backlash is a couple of things. First, it’s real, genuine concern for Ann Marie. Lots of people read her blog and like her a lot. She turned many of us on to Matt and his ideas on metabolism. Then we were able to learn and research and learn a lot of the truths and falsehoods about dieting for ourselves. She showed us the way to fly and now she’s saying that flying isn’t that great anymore. Sadly, I guess Ann Marie proves that you can “unsee what you’ve seen”.

    Second, this is not a private journal post of hers. Many of her readers look to her for advice and she knows it! But also re-read her language. Yes, she does use a lot of “me” and “I” statements, but she peppers the post with “you cans” and “you shoulds” as well. She is encouraging others to follow her path and many of us find that it’s wrong because women WILL copy Cheeseslave and likely won’t have her success.Hopefully her previous HED will shield her, but others might not be as ready metabolically.

    And maybe there’s a third, smaller, reason. Those who disagree with this approach are by no means wishing her ill (which she obviously feels and she is very wrong about), but are expecting a failure. But what if? What if the road to one’s own ideal body is paved with clinical starvation-level calorie intake (<1000 calories)? That is a scary thought. Although I think that’s what the mainstream culture believes and we thought that Cheeseslave knew better.

    in reply to: Low Metabolism, but High Temp and Pulse #7320
    tangytam
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    If you’re going by YourEatopia’s recommendations, remember 2500 is the MINIMUM intake. Refeeding according to Gwyneth’s protocol means much more for most people.

    This comes from http://www.youreatopia.com/blog/2013/5/25/inpatient-underfeeding.html

    ?The notion of ‘starting low and going slow? with the prescription of daily calories seems unlikely to be important in preventing refeeding syndrome. Recent publications suggest this approach does not necessarily add to safety in the refeeding process but rather the contrary. It typically results in weight loss and protracts hospitalization and nutritional recovery. [MR Kohn et al., 2011].

    *I would like to highlight the fact that the guidelines developed by Kohn et al., indicate an average intake of 2700 calories/day by the end of week 1. That is not the final intake expected, and as Philip Mehler has already identified in a meta-analysis, the daily intake in inpatient settings range between 3600-6000 calories/day [PS Mehler et al., 2010].”

    If you haven’t already, read http://www.youreatopia.com/blog/2011/9/13/phases-of-recovery-from-restricted-eating.html

    She always recommends working with a healthcare team when refeeding, which is important to think about. But she does give a lot of guidance, for instance digestion is likely to be impaired so eating many small meals and including yogurt are her recommendations. There are many more in that post.

    in reply to: Cheeseslave's Weight Loss Diet #7208
    tangytam
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    in reply to: Cheeseslave's Weight Loss Diet #7206
    tangytam
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    Yeah, I knew I should’ve just searched on 180 ;)

    I know you’re still trying to keep it cool with Cheesy, Matt, but you gotta see that she’s pretty hard-core refuting everything you’ve been writing, especially in that piece about concentration camps. You pretty much grilled people over the fires for saying the same stuff that she is right now.

    In the nytimes commenter board some person responded that they had family who had survived the camps or knew people or heard direct accounts or whatever, and that even when refeeding commenced, they “couldn’t handle the food” and died (supposedly because the “normal” intake was too much). Now, after reading Gwyneth’s site it seems like the likely culprit was that they were still fucking starving! Read her “Extreme hunger” and the one that talks about difficulties in getting clinicians on board with realistic feeding protocols (I’ll have to look it up) on YourEatopia.com

    Anyway, it is very interesting about the mind-fuck we’ve been given when it comes to actual low calorie diets and the repercussions.

    in reply to: Fast Food Protects Against Obesity? #7201
    tangytam
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    Let’s say it’s a legit correlation. Maybe having a variety of filling, “delicious”, satisfying food takes the stress out of being poor (or just living). I mean, if your mom works 2-3 jobs but you still can’t make rent and school sucks and etc., then at least you have options to feed yourself cheaply (in your eyes), without waiting or having to clean up shiz, blah, blah, blah.

    in reply to: Cheeseslave's Weight Loss Diet #7168
    tangytam
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    Also, one of the women defending her claims says that those in concentration camps ate 500-800 calories, which Ann Marie than takes up as proof that she’s fine eating 800-1000 calories. But in a cursory search, I didn’t find much evidence for such a low calorie count. One was around 650, but it seemed it was more of an experiment to see how low one could go and for how long- essentially one of the many horrific experiments that would qualify as torture. Other working camp data says that it was 1300-1700 depending on activity level. This, to me, seemed more plausible as they were working them to the bone and at least saw the need to get some labor out of them. Anyone else know more?

    Then she keeps countering those that say she’s on an extreme diet by saying that an optimal weight loss rate is 1-2 lbs/wk but she says she’s lost 20 lbs in 2 months which calculates to 2.5lbs/wk. She even quotes ” When people lose more than two pounds (.91 kg) per week, especially for several weeks at a time, this is considered fast, and significantly greater amounts can be considered extreme weight loss.. It seems so disjointed.

    in reply to: Cheeseslave's Weight Loss Diet #7164
    tangytam
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    I was really shocked how much she reacted to perfectly nice comments with a ton of spit and spite. It was like, whoa, dude! Eat a cookie! I also wonder if the 2-3 glasses of wine she says is drinking is suppressing her appetite like Gwyneth on Your Eatopia calls “drunkorexia”.

    http://www.youreatopia.com/blog/2012/10/31/bingeing-is-not-bingeing.html

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