Okey dokey, so maybe I haven’t quite had the opportunity to post videos like I had planned. The trip has been a mega whirlwind, and totally fun. The best part was giving Rob A. the schooling of a lifetime in ping pong. Yeah, I totally brutalized the poor kid. I went totally Forest Gump on him. Only the exact opposite. Yes, sadly, I learned a very hard lesson. Never take on someone in ping pong that is living in a desolate lodge in the middle of nowhere with nothing to do other than play ping pong in the basement.
I’m looking foward to my meeting with another 180 follower later this morning. He has requested that I hang upside down from his little batman device and “do some Mercola tapping” as he put it – followed by cleaning out his garage. No respect I tell ya. No respect.
To top it all off I’m meeting someone for lunch who answered his phone by asking me if I have ever seen a grown man naked. Should be interesting.
Anyway, here is another video clip of Challen talking about some of the interplay between vitamin C, pH, sugar, and cancer in response to a cancer question I posed to him (that he slightly dodged because of the liabilities involved with talking about cancer). But his response was perplexing, and put the focus more on some simple fundamentals of healing.
Also, someone apparently captured’some video footage of Pippa and I in our travels. You can see in the video’that I have gotten quite lean and my hair?is really growing fast!!! But I’ve maintained my strength as you can see when I arm wrestle JT in the opening scene. Only problem is that my voice has gotten very high-pitched and Pippa is looking somewhat masculine – almost like Paul McCartney. Haven’t figured that out yet, but we are working on it…
How to RAISE YOUR METABOLISM.
WOW FIRST COMMENT:
I have a serious question abotu the voice:
I noticed (purely anecdotal stuff here), that a lot of the vegan health leaders, have high pitched voices, as if they're extra-estrogenic or something?
What do you think about that? Is voice tone determined solely after puberty or can it change based on testosterone levels and diet?
THank you very much Matt Stone
Don’t think it’s fixed. And also it is by some claimed to be able to increase the body’s production of testoster.Feeble voice is almost always present before you die. Especially in the cases of ‘waisting away’ from old age. That’s a YES that is.
Matt, I can see that RBTI is making you "strong like bull". Was that distilled water in the bottle?
I've had polyuria for as long as I can remember and wet the bed too – you mentioned this is a result of lack of minerals, gets me interested in RBTI.
Interesting. Perhaps this explain where Linus Pauling went wrong.
Brock…how did Linus Pauling go wrong?
Just got interested in his work recently.
Ok I wonder if he is saying eating insulin boosting foods helps with vita c uptake? In CLL circles they say taking large C doses makes it worse, perhaps due to it not being used by the body correctly.
Can you ask Challen about CLL in specific? I promise not to sue his ass.
Just subscribing for emails. :o)
I wish everyone wasn't so "sue happy" because there's so much info out there, it's hard to sift through what's really accurate.
I have been searching for RBTI info ever since Matt started this and I've come across a great pdf booklet that gives details that have answered many of the questions that people have posed here. I wanted to share this as I think it has very valuable info in it. Enjoy! http://www.biri.org/pdf/DETYS.pdf
Interesting comment about acidic body fluids turning eyes red. Does using marijuana change body ph? I was under the impression weed dilates ateries, hence arteries in white eye appear more red after smoking.
Anonymous,all I can say is that I feel I have been suffering from acidosis for a very long time and that I am asked alot why my eyes are so red…hint hint your high;).I am not and have been clean for 8yrs.But I am finding that tons and tons of calcium citrate pills makes me look white eyed and my skin loses the red blotchy look.Plus I have been feeling amazing since I started this PH adjustment.
This got me thinking that the reason for bad health could be linked to bad acidic water or in my case tons of diet soda and tons of acidic water.I mean I am so bad that while I feel ok as soon as I eat a meal I feel like I am sick and not just upset stomach sick but my whole body gets screwed up.Then here I am feeling like a total health nut when I am slamming calcium citrates.Take today…had my "optimal" meal and took 4 calcium citrates and 3 coral calcium.When I got off the train I ran up the stairs,ran the last block to my station and then ran up the ramp which is a half block long.I can't explain how bad I usually feel dragging my body up those stairs and ramp.
But then again at work I drank a large coffee and almost instantly the waves of ill came over me.Like if the calcium pills I ate after the meal buffered the acidity of it but then I ruined it with coffee.
This got me thinking about how alkaline water could be the reason for alot of peoples bad health.The RBTI experts say that "water is bad for you","water is good for you" almost it seems to confuse us.But why should it not be as easy as just drink alkaline water since many people get healthy from this.
So more thinking today and I found out the Perrier and San pelligrino both have 8%of our daily calcium levels per bottle.Great news you would think right?But further investigating and I find that San Pellegrino has a PH over 8.0 yet Perrier has a PH below 4.0….4.0 is terrible and that would acidify your body.So what I am doing to correct my distilled water that has a PH of 5.0 is add 1/2 tsp of baking soda to my water whichbrings it to around 7.0(my strips are not accurate).This is neutral water and I wonder if you can adjust this slightly higher and not need supplements.And whats crazy is it tasts like San Pellegrino….slightly salty.Only difference is San Pellegrino is carbonated so it could be made with club sodaLOL.
Forgot to add that maybe Perrieir is high in acidifying calciums while Pellegrino is high in alkalizing.Same calcium amounts but different effect in the body.
Unfortunately, I wasn't able to make an appt with you, Matt and Pippa. I am not in a place to afford $400+ right now without saving up, but if I follow the meal patterns (carby breakfast, big lunch, no meat or sweets after 2pm, mostly just veggies for dinner) and take min-col and avoid "no" foods, do you think I'll see benefits? I don't want to start messing with distilled water or anything without testing my numbers. I don't have major health issues, but I'm pretty sure I need better mineralizing. I'm very cavity-prone, acne-prone, get anxiety and insomnia and am hypoglycemic. If I can make these better it would be amazing.
I don't find Challen's answer perplexing at all. The last few days I've been thinking a lot about my health history and past ways of eating and those of my friends and family, and what I've pieced together of this RBTI stuff is making extraordinary sense out of everything. I've had major improvements in just a few days just by implementing the meal schedule, avoiding "no" foods, and eating a more acid-balanced diet (my recent diet and symptoms have all been very alkaline in nature). I'm coming to some major realizations and am tempted to go on a long rant explaining why it makes perfect sense that this should all work the way it does, but I since I still have the over-alkaline tendency of holding on to things, I'll wait a while longer until things have progressed further. Anyways, for now, I can feel or see pretty much every chronic health complaint of mine improving, and I can understand why as well. And I've only been experimenting with this (sans testing kit) for like four days. Thank you Matt and Challen. I really think you've stumbled onto something profound here, Matt. Keep it up.
OK, Matt…I have a few questions.
I see that you can eat 1/2 white and 1/2 whole wheat bread, but not all of either…what about sprouted grain bread, like Ezekial Bread…that is supposed to be a biblical recipe and should fit right in…huh, huh?
If not sprouted grain, are there any commercially available breads that are Challen approved?
I have also read that nuts are a no-no unless they are boiled soft, but what about peanut oil? I'm thinking not since I believe someone said olive and corn oil for cooking, ONLY.
Also, regarding athletes eating more…how does that work?
Just a larger evening meal? Some protein at the evening meal? Eating later than dinner?
In medicine, milk-alkali syndrome, also called Burnett's syndrome in honour of Charles Hoyt Burnett, the American physician who first described it, is characterized by hypercalcemia caused by repeated ingestion of calcium and absorbable alkali (such as calcium carbonate, or milk and sodium bicarbonate). If untreated, milk-alkali syndrome may lead to metastatic calcification and renal failure.
The name "milk-alkali syndrome" derives from when patients would take in excessive amounts of milk and antacids to control their dyspepsia, as prescribed by the "Sippy regimen", leading to overingestion of two key ingredients that lead to the disorder, excess calcium and excess base. Ingesting over two grams of elemental calcium per day produces this disorder in susceptible individuals. Gastrointestinal absorption of such a large amount of calcium leads to hypercalcemia. This inhibits parathyroid hormone secretion by the parathyroid gland and may also lead to diabetes insipidus. The body's attempt to rid itself of the excess base in the urine may cause bicarbonaturia and subsequent hypovolemia due to transport of sodium ions to accompany the bicarbonate.
In 1915, Bertram Sippy introduced the "Sippy regimen" of hourly ingestion of milk and cream, and the gradual addition of eggs and cooked cereal, for 10 days, combined with alkaline powders, which provided symptomatic relief for peptic ulcer disease. Over the next several decades, the Sippy regimen resulted in renal failure, alkalosis, and hypercalcemia, mostly in men with peptic ulcer disease. These adverse effects were reversed when the regimen stopped, but it was fatal in some patients with protracted vomiting.
Mike,RBTI brings the idea of testing the PH of urine and saliva to then be able to balance out your intake to the table.Wouldn't this syndrome be averted if you do not see your urine getting very alkalineI seen many websites in past saying to take up to 2tbsps baking soda per day and in fact the PH miracle recommends this practice.This I fear is bad though and as RBTI shows if you intake too much alkalinity its bad also.Yes many people go twards the acid side but what about people living in areas with extremely hard water?
Also,just in case no one has seen this yet there is a doctor in Italy injecting sodium bicarbonate into tumors and shrinking them.HE says that cancer is actually a fungus.Real good videos if you like.
I just wanted to ask about protein requirements. I think the large lunch think is confusing to me as I've been doing large breakfast, late snack and large dinner. Going to carb heavy breakfast feels more natural.
The protein requirement is confusing as it seems like you would need to eat a lot at lunch.
I was catching up on Lisa E's blog as I haven't been there in a while and noticed that you commented a while back that 30g a day is adequate for nitrogen balance, and most of that can come from fruit and starches when calories are adequate. Does this mean you could get by with a couple eggs and some cheese or some lean meat, as I have already been doing? Trying to eat more protein is unpleasant.
Also, I'd been doing well just trying to tune into and pay a lot of attention to my body. It was more unrefined starchy carbs and veggies. Overall feeling was better and BMs were near perfect. But it's slipping backwards as all these RBTI influences push in the way and I lose overall cohesion in the diet.
And for those of you who are information junkies like myself, here is further info on using the testing equipment, calculating such and what supplements may be indicated.
And to those who have asked about using reverse osmosis water and haven't gotten an answer… I was wondering also: It is noted at this site that reverse osmosis water intake is encouraged along with using an alkalizing machine… which obviously raises the ph of the water. Interesting to me as I use/have both.
Obviously this is not Challen Waychoff speaking/writing, but since there hasn't been a great deal of technical info shared at this point, I thought those interested would find this very intriguing.
interesting about the diff between Perrier and Pellegrino. Do you have Topo Chico where you are? It is my FAVORITE sparkling water and I am kind of addicted to it. If you find some… could you test it? It's so freaking good.
Haha, Matty- you did put up a decent fight, especially for not playing in a long time. Like I said, big fish in a small pond up here for me.
As I've taken a few days thinking about Challen's assessment, several things have rung true, and seem nearly comprehensive in their implications. It's certainly an adjustment for me- big lunch, light dinner, no pig, potatoes, popcorn, etc etc. But I started some steps today and will pay attention and see if the heavenly water does its thing for me.
Glad y'all made it out to the middle of nowhere to come play chemists (and table tennis whipping boy).
Never heard of it,sorry.Either way though I think its best to test what your drinking individually because it seems even distilled water can vary from state to state.I found a link that says that water,even when stripped of all minerals,can vary in its PH by huge amount.
"""And did you know that it is useless to measure the pH of RO-water or demiwater? Both demiwater and RO-water do not contain any buffer ions. This means that the pH can be as low as four, but it can also be as high as 12. Both kinds of water are not readily usable in their natural form. They are always mixed before application!"""
Why maybe one of the alkalizing setups that run filtered water thru Calcium, Magnesium and some sodium, carbonates and other minerals might be a good buy??
I was wondering if you could explain (or ask Challen? haha) the different effects varying doses of say no-no foods would have on the numbers. I mean it seems obvious that eating say, a bite of bacon, wouldn't be as detrimental as eating a full rack of pork ribs. And also, would it be worse to eat a piece of bacon every day or an equivalent amount on one day? I'm a teenager doing some research on alternative medicine for school and I stumbled upon your site! I'm really interested in how all this works! However, since I'm a teenager I must shout something slightly obscene like BOOBIES!
Gotta do a hit-and-run and letting this fly typos, bad sentences, and all – no time to proof lol! Haven't had a chance to catch up on all the comments – maybe later tonight – but I have some comments/questions to add…
Been following the general guidelines: no "no-no" foods, biggest meal at lunch, lightest at dinner, no sweets/fruit/meat after 2pm, and besides skim milk with a meal or two, I've been drinking only distilled water – but not systematically every hour or half hour – just about 4oz couple times between meals. I will do it the "systematic" way once I go full on protocol – which I will as soon as I get my kit.
I don't have any major health issues, so I can't say that I've noticed any *major* improvements, but the minor improvements have been significant! I feel great, lots of energy (hard to sit still) and I would swear that my libido has gone up a notch or two. I didn't think that was possible lol! But I'm not complaining! Just been having to keep myself busy. Ah hell, you know what I mean lol! : )
Anyone else notice that?
So far, I don't miss anything on the no-no list. BTW, rather than try to explain why I don't eat this and that while eating with and at friends' places, I've just been saying that I'm allergic to pork, nuts, shellfish, chocolate, etc. Sounds better than, "I don't eat pork," like I'm too good to it or something lol! : )
Hey, when I start practicing/guiding others with their own RBTI protocol, maybe that's what I should tell them, that they're numbers say that they are allergic to… and then list the no-no foods lol! Maybe that will make it easier for peeps to give them up. Whatcha think? : )
Anyway, for those who are/were concerned with weight loss- Before RBTI, I had been gradually losing my extra RRARF weight. Then I seemed to hit a plateau. I'd been stuck at 132-133 for couple weeks – which was what I weighed the day Matt was here – I checked it that morning for my numbers.
Well, since following just the general RBTI guidelines, I've started losing again. I don't usually go by weight (as in the number on the scale). I usually go by how I look nude and how clothes fit – so I don't usually weigh myself every day. But out of curiosity, I checked this morning and I was 129.4 on the digital scale. The analog scale actually showed 127.
Remember I'm not caught up on the comments yet, so apologies if this has already been asked or answered… there seems to be a lot of confusion about the after 2pm rule with regard to meat. Peeps seem to think that they can only eat veggies for dinner and that "no meat" means no protein at all. The way I understood it (from what Matt told me, but I could have misunderstood)… "no meat" means no muscle meat but some easily-digestible protein with dinner is okay (skim milk, cottage cheese, etc.) – as I understand it anyway.
Matt and/or Pippa, please correct me if I'm wrong – I could be the one confused lol! : ) Also, what about eggs with dinner? And are beans too starchy for dinner? I love bean soup. And what are some other foods, besides veggies, that Challen recommends for dinner?
Anyway, dinner seems to be the biggest challenge for my peeps who are trying out the basics – just figuring out what to eat for dinner – and dinner also seems to be causing the most confusion for them and for peeps here.
Something else that occurred to me a while ago was the correlation between when I started using both sea salt and coconut oil as my only oil (same time) and the change in my hair. Those were the only two major changes I made in the kitchen. Up until about 2 years ago, my hair was always very healthy looking. People would compliment my hair and ask what I do to get it so healthy and shiny. Well, over the last couple of years it has been losing its luster. Can't help but wonder about the sea salt and the coconut oil. Curious to see what happens now that I don't use either.
Cool you got to meet Rob! And really cool that not only did you give him credit for the win, you did so publicly? Impressive! Win-win : )
AS–good to see you around here again and glad to hear that the experiment's working well for you.
Kudos to Matt and Pippa for taking this on the road: I love the idea that it's something whose benefits can be experienced rather than just proven.
The only 'no food' I eat regularly is potatoes–one of the few things we can grow here. I only recently got over my carb-phobia to add them back but I may experiment to see if I feel better without. Chocolate I'd pretty much decided for myself isn't 'worth it'–love how it tastes, makes me feel crappy.
I'm with the commenter (was it Jib?) who worries about getting too suggestible and obsessive: I've been trying the "only three meals a day with no snacks" for a few days now too. I had tried that a few times before and always concluded that the only way to eat enough lunch to last until dinner was to make myself feel sick and heavy. This time around, I've still felt a bit 'blurk' a couple times, but seems to be maybe a bit more feasible. I also noticed a couple times that even when I felt 'too full,' my tummy wasn't sticky-out bloated like it can be when I'm eating mainly fruit…
Lots of food for thought, thanks again. And for those of us not in a position to get tested/measured, are there likely guidelines on how much lemon water we might need, based on facts like "vegan, has thyroid/adrenal issues, etc."
Thanks, Ela! And it's good to have you back too! :)
I recently took on a project that's been keepin' me on my toes – which I love – but hasn't been leaving me as much time to catch up here. I still need to watch today's Challen video later tonight… plus play catch up on comments lol.
I think it's awesome too that Matt and Pip have taken it on the road!! Which reminds me…
I forgot to mention that when I have my kit, I will be happy to run initial test numbers for anyone in or near Atlanta – free of charge, of course – you just gotta come to me, k? : )
Lol!! Did you Google it in the car? You and Pip rule.
xo, the Brooklyn one
Hi all. This is all so fascinating. I wish I could afford everything, but at this point it is out of the question. I am going to start implementing some of the basic guidelines and see how it goes. I have no major issues, but there are some things that could improve. Since I crave lemon, is that something that I should intuitively follow? Water just tastes bad to me with out lemon it it.
Anyway, this may be a little off topic, but I really curious in re-mineralization of the body. Next month I am going to have a plate and screws removed from my arm from a previous injury. I will be left with 8 holes in my bone. The doctor said it can take 3-5 years for those to fill up and some people always have evidence of holes in their xrays. I would really like to have a quick recovery and quick re-mineralization of my arm. Any (generalized)input on diet, supplements, etc would be greatly appreciated.
Ok, it seems the only real way to do this is to get ALL of the equipment and test. So…if I am trying to save money for the kit, should I implement some of the principles now- or will I sabatoge a proper reading of what is really going on with me?
I've been following the RBTI for 2 years or so and it is difficult to find information on it. I started a website for sharing and there are some links on the homepage to several different books and pamphlets about the RBTI and what it did for the authot. If interested go to http://www.numberyourlife.health.officelive.com.
Most of the links will take you out of the site to download the PDF.
This is great that Matt is getting interested in the RBTI. I have noticed that the one thing Challen has left out of the equation is the beginning. It's supposed to read CS+ 1.5 6.4/6.4 6-7c 4M 3/3 = Perfect Health. The CS stands for the most important component of the whole number string and that is COMMON SENSE! Common sense is the most valuable component of doing the RBTI as a lifestyle.
@ Deb Rich
Did you check the site http://www.rbti.info al ready? There is a lot of information on that site e.g. about how to test the numbers, what equipment someone needs, the no no foods, distilled, lemon water and lemon water with a sweetener, etc.
About the perfect health equation. That information is mentioned in several of the previous blogs of RBTI.
Woww. Please tell me that this is just some road trip/performance piece you've cooked up to Rickroll us.
It's like an exercise to show us how gullible we can all be yeah? Andy Kaufman meets Warhol plus the Bible, food obsession and uro-philia stuck into a low rent Bonnie &Clyde arc. Its like the perfect mashup of hoax quack dietism Jesus and bullshit. Hilarity!!
"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." –Albert Einstein
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
I think this one is better to explain the behavior of Challen and his followers.
It seems clear to me from Einstein's other quotes that he was referring to those who aren't keen to continue to learn and grow and fully explore all the other possibilities out there. But that's just my own interpretation : )
Einstein also said:
"A man should look for what is, and not for what he thinks should be."
"He who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead; his eyes are closed."
"The true sign of intelligence is not knowledge but imagination."
"We should take care not to make the intellect our god; it has, of course, powerful muscles, but no personality."
"The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing."
"To raise new questions, new possibilities, to regard old problems from a new angle, requires creative imagination and marks real advance in science."
And this one is my favorite one…
"Any man who can drive safely while kissing a pretty girl is simply not giving the kiss the attention it deserves." : )
"A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it." –Max Planck, German Physicist
"All truth passes through three stages. First it is ridiculed. Second it is violently opposed. Finally it is accepted as self evident." –Arthur Schopenhauer, German Philosopher
I'm reading the pdf link posted above and a few things (amongst many) stick out to me:
He seems to be an advocate of a vegan diet – talking about animal proteins pretty much as poison, extremely hard to digest and not optimal to eat.
Whereas Challen recomend a lot of milk..
As for myself, I've just started drinking (lacose free) milk again, for the first time in 6 years while following the "eating rules" of carb-based breakkie, huge lunch and no sweets/meats after 2pm.
(I have had small ammounts of milky products on and off like hard cheese and ice cream but not on a regular basis)
It's been 3-4 days and from what I've noticed so far – I fart a lot more now, and it stinks really bad. Same with stools, smells like shit (and usually my farts, if I have any, are totally odour-free and stools barely noticable)
I don't eat much animal products as it is and when I do it's usually for one meal, only. But that doesn't smell anywere near what I'm going through at the moment.
And also, this morning I had fat free yoghurt instead of milk with my cereal and fruits. Went to the gym 4 hrs later and had lunch after that (salmon, veggies, corn and some bread) and an hour later MY PEE WAS FOAMY
And on top of that, I'm a lot more tired than I was a week ago…before this milk-experiment.
I have easily eat 2 lbs of fruits in one sitting, for breakfast, and it makes me feel good. But add milk to that equation and I wanna go to sleep…
(I do take extra digestive enzymes with most milk-meals just in case but makes no difference)
I won't even begin to mention the mucus forming in my throat. Ugh!
Quite interesting though… as soon as my economy allows I will contact Challen, because I'm curious as hell, despite my recent production of enough gas to blow up my entire neighberhood…
(now that sounds like fun… "fire in the hole…")
Nice quotes there, AS. If I were a little more mean and judgmental, I might reference also: 'Do not cast thy pearls before swine.'
J/k Jannis, DF, etc.- much love! :-D
I assume the symptoms you have come from commercial pasteurized dairy rather than from raw milk products? The mucus formation is well known with pasteurized product – basically putting a strain on the body as they do not provide the necessary enzimes to digest the milk – but not usually with raw milk. I am personally sensitive to pasteurized milk and thrive on raw one. There are clearly two different products as far as body chemistry is concerned.
Beth, I would also say that I think I have seen it stated before that like with many other things in RBTI milk maybe something that is recommended on a personal basis. It may not be right for you. And maybe you are just lactose intolerant? I know that with lactose intolerance a person can sometimes react to one form of dairy but not another.
I for instance don't consider myself lactose intolerant but I can eat cheese and yogurt no problem, but 1/2 and 1/2 makes me feel awful.
@Jannis- wasn't it you who insisted over and over again that there is no sugar in non-diabetic urine? Lest we forget the solid info past and present that Sirch and AS cited which puts that tired old regurg to rest.
Could be thats what Al Einstein was getting at. Stubbornly holding to beliefs and leaving no room to broaden ones horizons is well stupidity.
@DF- Ha ha! That's hilarious. I've been vacillating between gullibility and paranoia about RBTI from the start. The worst is when I'm convinced that Matt is writing a lot of these posts himself.
@AS- Thanks for asking about the dinner thing again, especially re: beans. Jacqueline shared some vegan recipes with me via email, but they had nuts and popcorn in them, which just confused me even more, as I thought those were no no foods.
On the nut topic, does anyone know if seeds are ok? So, sesame seeds (and thus tahini), pumpkin seeds, sunflower seeds….
And just to double check, although I believe it's been covered once, but I'm not sure by who: coconut oil is a no no, but coconut milk is still ok?
SJ–I was similarly confused by some of the components in the vegan recipes.
On your seeds question: I seem to recall that that was covered in an earlier post and that one of the emphatic RBTI folks responded that any hard-shelled seed is a no-no, just like nuts. That's sort of the point at which I feel like as a no-animal products person, I have to make some of my own determinations. I'm quite happy not to eat nuts: I've tended to avoid them anyway. But some flax meal here and there generally seems to do me good.
I realize that this isn't supposed to be an arena for personal discretion, but ultimately we all do what we can.
Lmao. oh man have I got a bridge to sell you folks. Just keep your minds reeeeeeally open.
Matt you are comedic genius!!
I've been on the RBTI healing protocol for a week now.
If you remember, Challen basically told me to do the lemonade/distilled water rotation every 30 minutes until gone, to take my supplements, and to eat the right foods at the right times. Oh, and to immediately stop using sea salt.
The first few days I noticed a change: no crashes, only a yawn or two in teh afternoons instead of having to sit down for hours, better sleep, and not waking up a zombie.
But we got our supplements over the weekend and started taking them. By Monday I felt like CRAP. Exhausted, queasy, headache, achy, disoriented.
Challen told me this might happen, and that he wouldn't be surprised if it was pretty bad (vomit, etc.).
I'm feeling a bit better today, but still so tired. I forgot to ask the all-important question about how long this would last.
But since I've already done both a yeast and liver cleanse before, this is not scary or discouraging. And considering all the lemon juice I'm consuming, it's downright inevitable.
We (my husband and I) have our second consultation next Tuesday and I'll update my numbers for you all.
I will say that I have *yet* to have a perfect day of drinking everything on time and taking all my supplements. There is SO much to remember. But I'm trucking along, doing what I can.
Even though the switch to smaller dinners is hard, it's not as hard as I thought, and my evenings are blissful now. No cooking! No massive cleanup! For you with children, you know what an amazing thing this is.
I cook a huge lunch and right away set aside some for my husband's lunch the next day. For dinners, we have cheese, cottage cheese, salads, cooked veggies, a few crackers or toast and skim milk. The same thing (switching veggies and salads maybe), but so predictable and easy.
I even bought new cookware, like he said, just so I know I did everything correctly. Just like any other experiment, I wanted to make sure I did it properly before I say it doesn't work.
Also, for Lorelei – one of the supplements he put me on is a mixture of iodine and kelp! Low thyroid. Have you been tested for that? I tested before and got low normal. Just curious.
Thanks for the seed info. I just checked the http://www.rbti.info page and it seems that their no-no list is different than Challen's no-no list, which would explain the recipe discrepancy.
@ Laurent – yes, organic pasteurized milk. Raw cannot be found where I live (and I'm not talking about the grocery store now..)
However – if pasteurized would be so bad, I find it hard to believe that Challen would recomend it…
Just a thought..
@ Sarah Cruse – I am lactose intolerant (hence the "lactose free" in front of "milk"). If I had regular milk I'd probably "die", lol lol.
Yoghurt (also lactose free, regular would be so out of the question) was a really bad bad bad mistake, will not be eating that again. Phew.
Funny thing is, I usually break out after eating dairy products, but haven't so far… Interesting.
I had to try (again), I thought. It kinda pisses me off when everyone else can eat whatever but not me >_<
Speaking of that link above, the guy has some articles I must say. I especially enjoyed the "rejuv 7-day diet"
Or not really…
I wonder if he recomends pork to his clients, practicing RBTI…
So he's def not vegan.
What type of cookware does Challen want you to use? I use stainless steel, no aluminum, no teflon. I think that is best. Curious as to what he is telling you to do.
@AS- you had me at mediocre minds. Sweet follow ups.
"Any man who can drive safely while kissing a pretty girl is simply not giving the kiss the attention it deserves."
Priceless. Can always count on you to inject some fun. Thanks!
Some things about RBTI make me wonder.Like how Reams chose 6.4 for the correct PH for both saliva and urine.From what I gather he stated divine intervention.So…..did he just guess at this?If anyone knows his reasons for this number please do tell.Then the lemons is another factor.Alot of alkalinity experts say its alkalizing to the body,but is it?If you take a buffer and add it to lemon it neutralizes the acidity BUT that then depletes the buffer reserve.This buffer is now gone and even if the ash does form an alkaline substance,isn't it just balancing out so you break even.I think its all about the anions and how lemons are high in it.And I found this water today that claims its first distilled and then calcium,magnesium and pottasium are added in.Great idea terrible execution since I just tested it and its at PH5.5.
Ok,first off,I had another amazing day and this time ate whatever the heck I wanted.Reason is last night I overdosed on baking soda and this morning my urine/saliva PH was 6.5/6.5.Thats dam near perfect in the RBTI.I ran the minute my foot stepped out my door to the train.Then ran to my station and up the ramp.Ate my food and WHAM feeling sick.My reserves are so depleted and my blood PH most likely dips giving this warning signal.
Back to the expensive electrolyte water.So I have been experimenting today with my supplements I spent a fortune on to find they do not raise the PH of my water.Any chemist can explain that.And why does baking soda work so perfectly.Its so strong I need to add just the slightest amount to alkalize the water to neutral.Next I am gonna test a small portion of water with a huge dose of baking soda….I have read that it is PH of 8.4 so it will not cause anything to go higher than that.
The group nuts and seed provides a very excellent source of protein and minerals if prepared properly. It is best to use these nuts and seeds either boiled, steamed, or baked in bread or casseroles.
Oh and the gunk I am pooping out,the much reduced bloated belly and less body smell is a sign to me that Candida is dying.Great Stuff!!!!
Kelly, good update.
I already take kelp daily.
Deb, you're not supposed to use cookware that you've cooked pig in. I can't imagine switching all my cookware… I don't have much moolah, and I do tend to "buy the best"… Not really financially able to replace of all my cast iron and le creuset…
We switched our main meals too, and nothing sweet after 2 also. Very hard after 30+ years of eating heavily in the eve! Mostly, since I cook from scratch, it's remembering to start lunch right after we clean up from breakfast. Ugh.
Our biggest problem is not so much hunger as an ingrained dessert before bed routine. Okay, so now it's "snack" before bed… but we have yet to figure out what to have for snack. The kids have been very good about salad every night, but they are not going to eat more vegetables for "dessert"! So far we've been having bread and butter (I know butter is no-no, but there's only so many changes to make at once). I really hate eating wheat every day though. Even popcorn is no-no, so I'm not sure what they can eat and still be happy. We tired plain yogurt last night and that was a dismal failure.
And yes, child abuse or not, the kids eat as I eat, since I do all the meals!
Anyhow, other than switching mealtimes, which was my main goal for this week, I've cut way back on potatoes (1x week rather than 1-2x a day!) and sea salt. Cut back naturally on chocolate because a lunch dessert lends itself to fruit. Also, most chocolate consumption was evening snacking. Didn't really eat much pig or shellfish before, so that's easy (except it's hubby's bday week and he smoked vast quantities of pork… so this week is bad… but mostly I'm concentrating on switching meals anyhow).
I often add lemon to my water, so just continuing. I replaced one morning cup of water with distilled, just for the fun of it.
Anyhow, in this week, I've gained a bunch of weight after being stable forever. My mouth is yucky. I have a lot of headaches and stiffness. The only positive difference is my heels are less cracked, which became really bad since I switched from high fat to high carb. Interesting.
But then, I'm not really doing RBTI, I'm just trying to switch our eating patterns. I found it odd that I seem to have ballooned up even more. Sigh.
AS – so funny.
RobA – bought the Vitaclay. Shipping of extra parts is $50+ to HI, so I'm just going to have to be very, very careful. Or ship to somebody who's coming to visit! I have to have something that will have breakfast ready when we get up, since lunch is a major ordeal now!
Quick one,ok the coral calcium is starting to dissolve,water is getting milky and the PH is rising…great as it is science and not voodoo.But the Calcium citrate is still not dissolving at all after 20 minutes.Maybe it need more acid?
Took some lemon juice just now and added a coral calcium pill and nothing ay all happened.But I add a pinch of baking soda and it foams like crazy.Speaking of foam,my urine is not foamy today and in past it would get so bad it would rise 5 inches.
Ok,thats all for now. :)
I followed the posts and I haven't seen any convincing material that shows that the majority of people have sugar in their urine regularly, much less an amount that would be needed for the kind of thing the refrac. is supposed to do.
And even if you can measure anything with that thing, there are still all the dozens of other retarded statements without any scientific basis. Black people produce more vitamin D from the sun, cancer develops in one day, the liver has exactely 545.976 enzymes, destilled water washes sugar out of the body, corn oil is great, not eating after 2pm will help people with hypoglycemia etc.
What annoys me is not that this guy says something that I might not agree with, but the fact that he has absolutely no evidence for 90% of the things he says. It is all based on faith, a few fairy tales about people you will neve see, and fancy supplemtens.
In my eyes, this guy is a big douche who uses people that are desperate and/or stupid enough in order to get their money.
Fact is, there is still not one single piece of objective and verifiable evidence in order to evaluate the his ideas.
It's one thing to interpret some facts in a different way, but here there is nothing to argue about. You can only choose between believing without questioning or beeing called a stubborn asshole.
Just look at the RBTI people who defend him here. They explain Challen's "scientific method" with God, Jesus and all the other stuff that belongs in a church. If you bother them with a request for proof, they get mad and cry "heresy".
I personally would expect the ultimate theory on bilogical energy to make people a little smarter than that.
As for the Einstein quote – You wouldn't believe how many people use that quote every day to show their readers that the only reason their stupid ideas aren't excepted by everyone is that the whole world is just too ignorant.
Kelly, Thanks for the update!
That sounds like what I just went through due to Buteyko and some energy work.
Did you find it hard to keep eating while you were so queasy?
I had a hard time feeding myself consistently because my appetite was so off and was wondering if it would be ok to alter the food schedule during the RBTI healing crisis.
I got my kit today! So I'll be calling to make my appt with Challen.
I haven't see n anyone on here use God or Jesus as away to back up their knowledge or experience with RBTI.
I have noticed several people who have said that even thought they don't buy that stuff, it still works.
Jannis,take what you want from Reams and his RBTI.He even said it was a work in progress.But his ideas are the basis for optimal health.Optimal blood sugar,optimal protein intake,stable electrolytes,stable PH I mean come on thats health right there.Look at saltwater tanks.Did you know that the hardest to keep fish and corals require water that never changes.What I mean is tanks get active during day from fish and coral activity,photosynthesis etc and this will change the PH by a good amount depending on alkalinity and hardness.The hard to keep stuff needs water like in the ocean where its huge vastness prevents any sudden changes.So veteran aquarium nuts will slowly drop in PH adjusters at various times of day to counter the unnatural habitat a fish tank presents.
But many here chanting Challen,Challen,Challen is kinda disturbing.Sorry thats just how I feel.Stuff like extra distilled water to control blood sugar when you COULD just control carbohydrate intake.Take what you can and work the RBTI principles to your own ideals.For me I think a continual intake of "real" hard mineral water is secret to easy optimal health.
Interesting video that also explains how high dose calcium and baking soda got rid of my hangover.
@Jannis- you said: "I followed the posts and I haven't seen any convincing material that shows that the majority of people have sugar in their urine regularly, much less an amount that would be needed for the kind of thing the refrac. is supposed to do."
Really? If you really did follow those posts as you say then you are in serious denial. That info very clearly established the fact that there are sugars in normal everyday urine. And everyone here who read it knows it. Even Taylor Hobson finally accepted it and good for him. My comment to you was not to attackk on you. It was to point out that see we (even you) are not right about everything much as you may believe it with all your might. But you completely missed that learning op. If you want to keep holding to tired outdated beliefs that stunt your growth and not open your mind to other things thats your choice. Only person you are shortchanging is yourself. Best to you too.
grass fed momma – He actually didn't recommend any type of cookware! (I know, right?!)
He only said that I needed to get rid of any cookware that pork had been cooked in, and replace it.
I do think I read somewhere in that book of his that cast iron is best, and something else second (but don't remember it being stainless steel, like I thought it'd be).
I replaced with cast iron and ss, though.
Since I only have to eat 3x a day, it was fine (and the queasiness wasn't too bad). I ate less, though.
Also, the lemonade helped.
Oh! And ginger ale at night! (In the evenings, you drink skim milk or clear carbonated beverages – I had him repeat that for me – like ginger ale or sprite. Helped tremendously with queasiness.)
"When healthy, the pH of blood is 7.4, the pH of spinal fluid is 7.4, and the pH of saliva is 7.4. Thus the pH of saliva parallels the extra cellular fluid…pH test of saliva represents the most consistent and most definitive physical sign of the ionic calcium deficiency syndrome…The pH of the non-deficient and healthy person is in the 7.5 (dark blue) to 7.1 (blue) slightly alkaline range. The range from 6.5 (blue-green) which is weakly acidic to 4.5 (light yellow) which is strongly acidic represents states from mildly deficient to strongly deficient, respectively. Most children are dark blue, a pH of 7.5. Over half of adults are green-yellow, a pH of 6.5 or lower, reflecting the calcium deficiency of aging and lifestyle defects. Cancer patients are usually a bright yellow, a pH of 4.5, especially when terminal." The Calcium Factor: The Scientific Secret of Health and Youth, by Robert R. Barefoot and Carl J. Reich, M.D., Gilliland Printing Inc., Arkansas City, Kansas, 1996.
Why is acidic pH urine/saliva 6.4 better? Most info I see says pH above 7 is better for health…
Dr. Reams was definitely not all about vegan. He was very much into eggs, milk, cheese as needed, beef, chicken. He made sure to drain all the blood, cut off the excess fat and cook well. Rule: No meat for anyone under 12 years old. Their digestive juices are not strong enough. Rule: If you want to constipate a child feed him cheese and peanut butter. So, unless they have diarrhea, no peanut butter or other nuts unless steamed soft, before 8 years old. Their digestive juices are not strong enough. Dr. Reams could prove anything he wanted to mathematically and scientifically. He had a genius mind that no one else can even come close to (even his former students). Challen has taken what Reams taught him and added his own twist to that. He still gets results and that counts for more than the MD's get. The RBTI is all about one thing and that is moving the numbers into the healing range and keeping them there. It doesn't matter what it takes to get them there, so long as they stay there. Following the RBTI rules allows the easiest and most proven method of reaching the goal. Dr. Reams said if someone could keep their numbers perfect for 1 year they could totally abuse themselves in diet for 40 years and never get any degenerative diseases. Wouldn't that be awesome to achieve!
I have been following Challen's advice for one week.
I started the lemonade 2 weeks earlier. This is NOT recommended especially if you want Challen to read your current health condition in your numbers. Too, you could be drinking more than is good for you,I was. Moi, tried to warm me.
My numbers reflected in Challen's words "A brain problem" In reading his books it is more like a "brain tumor" Time will tell.
However, it is true that I have a brain problem! My head, and ears have been at a pain level of 6 to 10, for 5 months. I also suffered dizziness, floating sensation, and
intense pressure in my head, and ears. My ears would ring constantly. I went to my MD, she gave me antibiotics and some antihistamines. (little help)
About the time that Matt introduced RBTI, I had figured out that high histamine levels were causing my problem. I cut out all foods high in histamine and, symptoms abated quickly. This was also helped by Matt's posts on "the rules of the sugar" and, "water"
Challen said I was drinking too much water. I was instucted to stop drinking water, and to drink JUICES ONLY.
My sugar level has been so much better. I did have a day or so of adjusting, and then I was able to keep my sugar between 1.2 – 2.9
This has made a massive improvement in my energy. My sugar was .5
However like Kelly said, once the supplements kicked in so did nausea, and extreme weekness. Today is better. :)
I am having trouble with the juices Challen wants me to drink. They contain high levels of histamine and bring back symptoms in my head, and ears. Challen said I had this problem due to low sugar. While I will admit I can tolerate more high histamine foods than before, I still have problems even with my sugar up.
The nausea is difficult where eating is concerned. I have to force myself to eat every bite of food I eat all day long. This includes fruit. :( Yet, once I have eaten the nausea does ease off considerably. It returns again in a couple of hours. By 5pm I am toast. Exhausted. It is tough to make a salad, and veggies.
By the grace of God, I manage.
The first couple of nights I did have insomnia. The last few nights have been great!
Honestly, if I get the juice/histamine issue worked out, I know this is headed in the right direction.
Funny, I have had my husband put in two reverse osmosis systems in our home. I have always felt the water was making me sick. After he put the first system in, I still felt the water made me sick. I waited a year, and then begged for a new more expensive model.
He did this just 2 months ago. The water still made me sick,
now I know why.
Hope this helps someone.
DF, for shame. its not bullshit.
It makes a lot more sense than that : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHboMLW-Zn0
@Tierney,I found this list of mineral waters and Top Chico was listed highest. :) No scratch that its listed as the only mineral water that hit excellent!!Why its best rated is not really shown though……I think its the mineral content but not sure.
Looking into making my own mineral water.There are tons of sites that explain how. :)
Good luck with the Vitaclay. Hope you like it. Probably will do breakfast porridge-y stuff real well, like oats or quinoa or millet or whatever. Load up with some maple syrup or molasses, some cream (I think cream's ok) or skim milk, fruit- should be pretty easy. In some ways it's a lot like USDA recommended breakfast- fruit, cereals, an egg or two, etc.
Hope it works well for you!
What was it about the RO water that was making you sick? Was it because of something about RO water? OR just the fact that you weren't suppose to be consuming any water and just juices instead?
why is it i can eat and eat white/brown rice before i feel completely satisfied, yet i can eat 4-5 potatoes and feel very full? my stomach is noticeably more distended with rice, too.
I don't know about the no potatoes thing. They be Stephen Guyenet's favorite food. Also, I can't give up coconut oil. Coconut oil for life!! I will try, however–as experimentation–a smaller, less meat-intensive dinner, along with a carb-loaded breakfast. This could be worth fooling with. The Lemonade idea also intrigues me.
On the other hand, I do sort of agree with DF and Jannis that we all shouldn't jump on the band wagon so easily. Why not at least wait until all the guidelines are in? For a lot of us, I think our psyches/personalities enjoy chasing the next food experiment, and even further enjoy going through the initial rush of discovering something new. The hoping-it-works stage, especially when applied to dietary changes, can be viewed as a form of addiction.
And if this is a Kaufman-esque prank . . . man, that's some funny shit. I'd totally dig the humor.
can anyone explain how the "bad foods" specifically affect the numbers. like potatoes negatively affect the electrolytes or pork affects the urine ph. i'm wondering if its the combining of certain foods which makes the problem because clearly many people have no problem at all with these foods
and all the talk about hard water and calcium and supplements. hard water can have magnesium instead of calcium and it is arguably as important as calcium
White potatoes tend to make the brix number rise rapidly causing an over flushing of insulin by the pancreas which in turn lowers the Vitamin C in the body which in turn affects the Vitamin A which in turn affects the iron. The UREA's will be affected as wel.
Today my roommate brought to my attention that I snore horrendously loud. Anyone know anything about how to minimize snoring? So far I've found a bunch of information on WebMD and MayoClinic but I swear I remember something about inflammation from someone here when it comes to that.
As to DF and Jannis, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
(side note) I am reading a book containing essays on H.P. Lovecraft along with two of his stories. The man was non-functional as far as society was concerned, had deep-seated racism and I would say his worldview was pretty messed up, and his stories reflect a lot of that. So I was skeptical whether I would like either of the stories included. Then I read the first paragraph of "Call of Cthulhu" and I was like holy crap, that is some profound truth. Thing is, he probably wouldn't have wrote if he wasn't the way he was.
Thing is, truth lurks everywhere but you have to be attuned to it. Simply being haughty and dismissive are not the skills necessary for recognizing truth.
Interesting quote, and clearly in contradiction with RBTI. The biggest question with RBTI is how the "equation" was decided upon. As far as I understand it was through divine inspiration and not empirical observation, which is a serious criticism to RBTI.
Yet if urine/saliva pH's of 6.4 rather than 7.4 are allowing people to reverse late stage cancer and heal damaged tissue an order of magnitude faster than the average hospital patient, then those special cases cannot be ignored. As someone trying to prove a hypothesis cannot ignore negative evidence, so too should we not ignore positive evidence that is in clear contradiction with conventional wisdom.
I think we also have to question why Matt is looking into RBTI. Going along with what Bill said, many of us need to recognize we are here due to the deficiencies in conventional nutritional wisdom. A significant subset of us have either tried alternative diets, are healing from them, or are trying to restore our bodies in other ways.
The average person that can go about abusing their body without too much repercussion would benefit simply from the focus of getting more real foods in their diet. These people should not get obsessive about diet. But for many that have gone past some kind of tipping point (of which there may be many), simply eating real foods is no longer enough, and that's one of the things I think 180 is starting to realize. It's like those deer that were fed Snickers bars and then couldn't go back to eating a natural diet. Anybody have the reference for that?
So Matt I think is interested in RBTI because of directly observable evidence that it is helping dig numerous people out of some pretty serious holes. Of course we are taking a lot on faith in Matt's accounts so I guess a lot of it comes down to trust and character judgment. Myself, trusting Matt, believe the stories he relates and thus believe RBTI is proving effective at treating at least some serious conditions.
Very interesting case studies, keep 'em coming please.
You might look into Buteyko breathing. I was a chronic mouth breather at night before I discovered this. Things that could help that are including in the Buteyko method are sleeping on your side and avoiding sleeping on your back, breathing only through your nose at night (you can tape your mouth if you know you breath through your mouth, or ever wake up with a dry mouth), avoid eating a large meal at night, and practicing good breathing habits throughout the day (e.g. breathing through your nose at all times except when you are talking).
No the RO water wasn't actually making me sick. Water dilutes my sugar quickly, then I feel sick.
That is why, "juices only"
This knowledge alone has made the investment into RBTI well worth it for me. I didn't know my sugar was low, all I knew was I felt terrible most days. I spent many days on the couch. This has been going one for many years. Only now that I am 49, I have many more "bad" (low sugar) days, than good.
I am an RN and when I did work, I would check my blood sugar during low times. It would be around 65.
Not low enough that the medical establishment would consider it significant. However, my symptoms were significant to me. I went to several different MD's, Chiro's, Naturopaths etc…. Never did anyone suggest it was my sugar. I was given thyroid medication even though my thyroid levels were good. I think it is odd that they would consider to give thyroid, and not consider the blood sugar?
The thyroid meds seemed to help for a bout 2 months. Then back on the couch. :(
I tried many, many diets. Trouble is I was swallowing down 8 or more glasses of water everyday.
My husband snores terribly if he has been missing sleep. If he gets his regular rest, he does not snore.
Most consider a pH of 7.0 as neutral. But we base neutral on the fact that it is in the middle of 0 and 14. If so, our skin is not neutral, our brains are far from (8.0) while some of our bones are the lowest (4.8, even though calcium itself is high in pH). Our blood is around 7.4, plus or minus .05. If it is more off, well, we are dead.
But for the fun of it, let’s say that 7.0 is neutral. If so, what would we need to throw out to cause the blood to be higher as the neutral 7.0? Acids. Remove the acids / cations, and you end up with more anions in ratio, so more alkaline.
Now to make it a bit more complex: If your urine pH is 5.5, that shows your body is doing what it can to throw out acid urine (so more cations) to keep the balance. The very low urine pH shows that a person would most likely be on the low end of the blood pH range, and the body may already be removing certain types of calcium from the bones to correct that. Besides that, the alteration in the calcium balance will cause the digestion to speed up, not the right amounts of enzymes to be in the right place at the right time and you know the problems we are in to.
But same goes for a Urine pH that is high. The digestive track slows down because there is a slight imbalance in the calciums. Because of that, again, not the right amounts of enzymes to be in the right place at the right time. But problems with a higher pH are not as bad as with a lower pH. Still it is harder to pick up the heavy elements like iodine and other trace minerals.
I do not have the ?proof? at hand, but hair mineral analysis has shown that people with even mildly high pH throw (or grow) out more calciums as people with a pH of 6.4. And if you would look at that calcium, you would see it is an alkaline form. People who have a high pH for years and years can build up pockets of calcium even in the brains. They will disappear at 6.4, but not, or not nearly as fast as it is good for us at 7.0.
Acid body pH leads to overgrowth of funguses, which cause inflammation. High pH leads more likely to bacterial overgrowth and parasites.
That is my main problem, too. My worst symptom of adrenal fatigue, hypoglycemia.
And I was SUCH a miserable mess earlier this year up until 3 weeks ago.
That's when I first spoke with Challen just to ask about pricing etc.
He said try drinking less water (and eating more carbs, my dr's had me on low carb diets for the AF).
And, O my goodness, I can't even express how much better I am!
I still have a ways to go but I can manage my blood sugar drops much more comfortably which is allowing my body to get more rest. I can't believe I had 4 medical professionals (ND, holistic MD, herbalist, and adrenal specialist) telling me to drink MORE water, and they all knew I was hypoglycemic. I just got worse and worse.
It's craziness, unbelievable craziness.
I never had an issue with doctors until this illness and now I don't really think they know what they are doing and that is a shame.
I will start my actual RBTI program on Saturday and am looking forward to getting past this chapter in my health.
I feel your pain. I too am soooo much better. However, the detox is quite draining. I know once this detox is over life is going to be good again. :)
Wishing you continued good health,
I am just chiming in as another person who was on the couch for years in spite of trying everything I could think of to eat healthy and get better and is finding the simple recommendation to drink less water life transforming. I am so thankful to Matt for putting that out there. I am a brand new person.
@wolfstriked- thanks! I think that list seems to be rated based on taste. Topo Chico is by far the best-tasting sparkling water I've ever had. It has more carbonation too. It comes from Mexico and normally I avoid Mexican products but I make an exception for this :)
I just called to inquire about the testing kit, and it's more expensive than just $400.
It's $480 + shipping & handling, because you need to order the book, too, to know how to test. Then it's $95 for the first consult. So, that's almost $600 upfront (and then supplements…)
I would really like to do it but have to think more about the cost. Even $400 was going to be a stretch for me. Following the meal schedule thing (3 days in) is not going well for me. I feel dizzy and low-blood-sugary, so I think I'm probably someone who would need tweaks. I've always had issues with dizziness and confusion. Not sure if it's candida-related. The only things that have helped me are olive leaf extract and maca. So, I may be going back to them in the meantime. But I'd really like to know my numbers because I think there's a lot of health stuff going on with my body.
Wow after reading some of these comments I'm really questioning the intelligence of most of Matt's readership and Matt himself. Are you guys really buying this RBTI snake oil? I used to read this blog regularly but after Matt started advocating a high sugar diet he lost a lot of credibility in my eyes. Now with this RBTI stuff I almost consider him a kook! Word of advice for you all: Whenever you see a practitioner mix so called science with religion, red flags should go up. Challen uses phrases like 'you don't have to do anything, god heals' or 'I just entertain my clients while God heals them' or 'we give God all the credit for this'. There's no scientific evidence for 90% of what he says. This stuff is only goin to make sense if you don't think about it or if you're very religious. Matt: what happened to you? You used to be make sense. A lot of this stuff even conflicts with what you write in your books.
Why is acidic pH urine/saliva 6.4 better? Most info I see says pH above 7 is better for health…
Its better because Reams had a vision that told him that 6.4 is better.
Not convinced? Me either. Not sure why so many here are, although if you've noticed there are some commenters that aren't so active anymore.
I really wish this blog would take a turn back toward a more rigorous approach. I don't suspect Matt of anything nefarious but I wish he'd be more skeptical. He's seen a few of Challen's patients say they feel better and now he's totally on board. Someone was crying at the clinic because they felt they'd been helped. Ok. But that's really not enough to convince me. Sorry but this stuff is a little kooky. Where is the hard evidence of people being helped? You do realize that cancers go into remission on their own sometimes, right? You do realize that sick people heal on their own sometimes, right? Their is such a thing as the placebo effect whether Challen thinks so or not. It is very well established. Their is no control group here. Far more skepticism is in order.
Also the idea that some residual fragment of pork, from a pot or pan that was used to cook it, but then thoroughly cleaned, can cause harm to one's health is ridiculous. This is religious fanaticism plain and simple.
if someone is interested and wants a cheaper alternative for a test kit
the starters kit from Pike Agri is 100 USD without the meters.
Pike Agri also sells different meters Like Hanna
On EBay the meters can also be bought like HANNA
The difference in price is probably the difference in quality and maybe a commission for the consultant.
About how to test and what the numbers mean, this information is mentioned on RBTI sites free of charge.
The difference in price is probably the difference in quality and maybe a commission for the consultant.
About how to test and what the numbers mean, this information is mentioned on RBTI sites free of charge.
Here's what I've learned: don't start playing around with RBTI without testing. Just following the meal patterns is making me feel awful. I felt much better before. I'm going to do it once I have money saved up, but until then just go back to the old way of eating (minus the "no no" foods). My body chemistry obviously has different needs, and I'm dizzy and feel like I'm on a blood-sugar roller coaster the last 3 days. This is just trying to drinks less water and have carby breakfast, and no meat and sweets after 2pm, and veggie-based dinner. I think I need more carbs at night.
"Its better because Reams had a vision that told him that 6.4 is better."
Yes TMS, there are a lot of kooky things going on here, but here are several quotes from this interview (http://web.archive.org/web/20051222225314/www.warongoodfood.com/man_in_field.htm) that explains how 6.4 is the magic number:
"The pH of the soil has a lot to do with mineral availability. Many minerals are available only in a narrow pH range, which for most plants is around 6.4."
"There is more to it of course. For instance, Pike found that he had to monitor the soil ERGS both before planting and during the growth phases. His method also requires that the soil pH be adjusted to the optimum 6.4 (acknowledged by almost all consultants as the best)."
"The ideal pH for almost all crops is 6.4."
I know we are not plants, but Reams's soil science research seems to point to why a ph of 6.4 is important to acheive.
Somebody was crying at the clinic because they had complete reversal of stage IV cancer according to tests at their (regular) doctor's office. Seriously, the nay-sayers are not even paying attention.
I get what the concerns are and so does Matt and I understand why he's looking into this methodology. Because there are effective case studies that are too serious to ignore.
Arguments against require just as much rigor as arguments for.
It looks like the url I posted didn't fit in my comment. Here's another url for the pdf of the interview:
@Tierney,it probably taste excellent.I love Perrier and feel that San Pellegrino is like drinking sea water.
As for the RBTI scam.Its a science and just disregard the religious aspects thrown in if you have to.Many people will overlook better health due to thinking Matt and the gang are becoming cultish.I am not religious despite having quite a few religious experiences.Please take what I say next in context and do not judge me as a quack.
One story I always tell is how as a teen I became obsessed with African Grey parrots.It was so bad that I would visit a local parrot shop that was 2hours away by train EVERY saturday and for a few yrs.Well I met this guy who told me his uncle owned a pigeon shop one day and maybe he could get me a discount where I pay his price for the bird.He calls me one day and tells me to come over his house so we could then drive to his uncles shop.Well on the way there in an alleyway I see a box right smack in the middle of the road.I sidestepped but as I walked past the box moved towards me.It took me around 2 minutes to open this box since whatever was inside was growling like crazy.I thought it was a dog and when I finally opened up the box I find an African Grey Parrot inside.This blew my friend away and he became kinda distant from me after it….lol I dont blame him.He nicknamed me the chosen one LOL.Not to be racist but white people get all weird if I tell that story while black people just simply say to me"god gifted you the bird".Great advice I always say.
That said there is another thing that could be looked at as the cause of this.I found out about quantum physics later on in life from a DEan Koontz novel I was reading.I looked into it and ofund that scientists were blown away to find that they could control sub atomic particles with just their thoughts.Here is the first thing that popped up on the wonderful Google.
It may surprise you to know that thoughts can move subatomic particles. These particles are the tiniest forms of matter and energy that science has discovered so far. Particles assemble in many different forms. Our bodies are made up of these particles and they spin around the nucleus of the cells that make up our brain, our bones, our bladder and every other part, from the most remote outpost of cranial baldness to the bottom of our big toe. They are found in all parts of the planet and across the vast expanses of space. Physicists have given them some interesting names like Muon; Tauon; Neutrino.
These subatomic particles are constantly on the move, spinning about their axis at incredible speeds. Scientists are curious to know how fast they move and in what directions they move. Trying to measure a subatomic particle’s movement is more difficult than measuring the running patterns of three hundred eight year olds released into the school playground at lunchtime.
The problem that physicists have come up against is that when a scientist attempts to measure the spin of a particle the particle plays a trick. If the physicist sets up his apparatus to measure the particle to see if it spins in Direction A, then when the experiment begins the particle is found to be spinning in Direction A. If the physicist moves to check Direction B, then the particle is found to be spinning in Direction B. The particle is always found to be spinning in the reference direction chosen by the experimenter.
Why did I post this I wonder myself.I guess its to show that maybe just maybe Reams did get divine intervention.I guess its my agnostic belief that many things could be religious…..or not.;)
I agree, Wolfstriked, An inspired idea has to come from somewhere to begin with. I am not religious either but I am very spiritual and absolutely believe there is much more to the world than we can explain.
I have had many such experiences, myself, that I would be lying to say I haven't seen proof of this.
"Also the idea that some residual fragment of pork, from a pot or pan that was used to cook it, but then thoroughly cleaned, can cause harm to one's health is ridiculous. This is religious fanaticism plain and simple."
perhaps Challen is avoiding human error by telling people to throw out old pans.
I have smelled bacon in a frying pan someone claimed to properly wash twice. Now If my nose can detect it, who is to say what a microscope can discover. If germs that are invisible to the naked eye can make someone sick why can't pork particles possibly do the same ?
I am a antireligionist and I wont eat pork in any form. My reasons come from experiments I did while avoiding it. It was suggested on this very blog by someone who tells me they are not religious. If you are being skeptic to the point of being closed minded it is simply a "world is flat " mentality. Just because Challen is religious does not mean he is wrong.
The most advanced calendar comes from a people who believed in the merits of human sacrifice.Do we doubt it's accuracy If he claimed a little green alien or a leprechaun told him I would not care as long as the information proved useful.
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* Do we doubt it's accuracy just because they seem kooky to us ?
Excellent comments!! : )
Hey Obi! : )
You commented! It's about time. You've been lurking around here long enough! K, play nice now. And go easy on Jannis. I think he means well — trying to save us from ourselves and all. But I don't think he likes being schooled lol : )
Here's one more quote for ya…
"It is a poor fool who does not see the value in discovering they were wrong, for now they know the truth."
Do you know who said that one? Hint: Google won't help ya! : )
You know I'm only kiddin'! : )
By the way, I (for one) never just believe without questioning. I question everything! And even after I believe something to be true, I continue to question. And sometimes I discover I was wrong — luckily. It's actually quite liberating! Well, at least it is for those of us who don't take ourselves so seriously : )
I'm still not 100% convinced about RBTI yet, but I'm definitely intrigued enough to explore it further. What's wrong with experimenting? It's fun. Live a little! : )
Why does there have to be "scientific evidence" for everything?! Not everything can be explained by science – because science hasn't discovered the answers to everything and will never discover the answers to EVERYTHING. The lack of scientific evidence doesn't disprove anything… we just haven't discovered it yet. There's no scientific evidence or answers to explain gravity yet either. But do you believe you will fall if you step off a cliff? Of course! We all know that "what goes up must come down" is just the law of gravity. But no one knows why. Not even science!
The very fact that Matt is willing to explore and even embrace things that do, in fact, contradict his previous research findings/writings is what makes him one of the most credible persons in this field. It's called truth-seeking… which leads to growth, and requires not only intelligence, but also imagination and an open-mind. If one can't handle it, they should go do their own research.
Regarding the religion thing…
As I recently shared with a friend, the way I see it, most Christians believe that whatever God or higher power they believe in is working in their lives. We always hear people thank God and give God the credit for their blessings, good fortune, talents, accomplishments, and such in life. We hear people say, after an achievement, that they couldn't have done it without God. Many Christians pray and talk to God and believe that he speaks to them through signs and events in their lives. Still, their religious beliefs don't make their so-called "God-given" talents, skills, intellectual abilities any less real — regardless of why, how, or if they believe that God blessed them with it. It doesn't change the truth. Certain people have certain skills and talents. And religious or not, some have genius-level intellect and have developed/discovered theories and concepts that even science has yet to comprehend.
So, it's not all that far-fetched for Reams and Challen, as Christians, to give credit to God. Just because Reams believed that the formula for the RBTI came to him through God or some divine intervention, doesn't mean that he didn't discover it in his own right, of his own scientific abilities, and of his own genius intellect. Reams was highly intelligent and science was a passion of his. He was a passionate scientist and doctor (among other things – and I'm not interested in debating his credentials or lack there of – I don't give a rat's ass about credentials, least of which those awarded by the Feds, AMA, or the like), and he was very knowledgeable of agricultural principals – another one of his beloved passions. I'm certainly no genius or scientist but I find it an easy mental leap in seeing how applying agricultural principals – used to optimize soil chemistry – to the human body, to optimize body chemistry, is plausible.
Same thing with Challen. Just because he believes that God heals, doesn't change the fact that the RBTI has clearly worked for many. Challen has been working with the RBTI for so long that he can now see patterns that tell him what's going on in the body. That makes perfect sense to me. Like he said in one of the videos, there's no magic there, he can just simply read the patterns in the numbers. And that's true regardless of his religious beliefs or yours.
Religion aside, according to his book, Reams developed his Biological Theory of Ionization over 3 years. So no, God did not come down from the heavens and just give him the answers – a common misconception. Reams worked hard studying, researching, experimenting, tweaking, analyzing, and further perfected the RBTI through trial and error. And what I found incredibly fascinating, when I read his book, is that he experimented/tested the RBTI in a hospital setting, at several large hospitals, with real patients, and with real medical doctors witnessing it all – patients healing in ways they had never seen happen before. You can hear it from Reams himself in his own words. I'll post below some fascinating excerpts from his book – and don't be surprised if it's very contrast to what you've heard about him and the RBTI and what think you know.
AS – you go girl!
Continued from above…
Excerpts from the book, Choose Life or Death, by Dr. Carey Reams.
"The theory of ionization was discovered after a father with a three and one-half-year-old child had been to a medical doctor. The child was having seizures and was diagnosed as an epileptic. The doctor had told the parents that this child would go into a seizure and would not come out and could not live to be five years old.
?You just have to do something for my child for drugs have failed,? the father of the child said. They lived two doors from us. I knew the boy well.
…the thought came to me that if I knew the mathematical chemistry of perfect health, then tests could be run on the boy’s body chemistry and we could find out how far from perfect his body chemistry was, and then we could make a diet and bring his body chemistry back to perfect.
It was then I started from the knowledge of frequencies I had on grapes.
…you might call it ?dead reckoning,? what a human anatomy should read if it were perfect. I’m sure that an angel held my hand for in four days I had come up with a formula, which I consider today to be perfect for human anatomy, regardless of the age of the person. This was almost four years before I had discovered the frequency of the human being, which proved that this equation was indeed correct.
The first equation was much longer than the equation we have now. I asked the parents to bring the little fellow in and we?d run tests on him. We ran tests on stool, blood, tears, ear wax, finger and toe nails, sweat, hair, urine and saliva. As far as I know, I was the first person to do a hair analysis. After a week I had completed the test and was amazed at how much duplication there was. I began to drop off various things in the next three years until I had left only the equation I now use.
We had the parents come in and made a diet for the boy, and found he was not an epileptic at all, but that he had low blood sugar, which was causing the seizures. His pancreas was manufacturing too much insulin. We corrected the diet by using fresh green, raw chlorophyll. We used some St. Augustine grasses and ground them in a food chopper, put them in a strainer and pressed out the juice with a fork. We didn’t have juicers at that time, as they had not yet been invented.
Immediately, the boy began to improve. In three months there were no more seizures. In a year he was doing well. Then the family moved to Texas, and I didn’t see them again for 35 years. I was on the streets of Orlando, Florida, near the corner of Church Street and Orange Avenue when a young man came to me and said, Are you Carey Reams? Yes, I said. Then he told me, I’m the little fellow who had the epileptic seizures, and you gave me a diet. I remember you real well. I never had another seizure.
This was my first test of this ionization theory."
AS: Okay, next things get really interesting! : )
Continued from above…
"I knew I had something, but did not know where its strong and weak points were. When any chemist or physicist makes what he thinks is a discovery, the first things he wants to know are: Is it real? Is it true? Does it work every time? What are the exceptions? I did then what is the duty of every scientist and physicist: set out to prove that this theory was not true.
The theory of the entire equation is:
Whether the body has too much carbohydrate, or not enough.
Whether the body chemistry is too acid, or too alkaline.
Whether the body is retaining too much salts or not enough. (There are many different kinds of salts. Chlorine salts, and salts without chloride. Even insulin is a salt.)
Whether the body is throwing out the worn-out cells, or not throwing out the worn-out cells.
Whether or not the proteins are digesting.
Whether there is too much manganese, or not enough.
Whether there is too much iron, or not enough.
Whether there is too much iodine, or not enough.
Whether there is too much arsenic, or not enough.
Whether or not there is enough potassium, phosphates, etc., of all the elements.
The perfect equation is: 1.5 – 6.40/6.40 – 6-7C – .04M – 3/3
The first number denotes the carbohydrates. The second and third numbers denote the lack of calciums.
This is a key factor in measuring the total amount of energy in our bodies, and is the key factor in the reserve energy, however, it is not the whole key. The fourth number denotes the total salt measurement in micro numbers. This indicates whether the body retains too much salt or not enough. The fifth number indicates the basic change of worn-out cells.
The sixth and seventh numbers cover or indicate many things. If these numbers are running too high it indicates that the proteins are turning to urea because of the high salt, and causes the heart to beat too hard, and the person is a candidate for a pectoris heart attack, also the person is too tired, or tensions are building up. If the worn-out cells are flushed out of the system in three days it does not turn to urea. Urea is undigested protein. The iron, iodine, manganese, and arsenic are measured by the process of elimination. These numbers show where, or in what area or areas, is the greatest loss of energy. The combined salt reading and the urea reading covers many reasons for the loss of energy in the body.
Practically all diseases start with mineral deficiency, which begins with the liver and has an effect on the other vital organs. As these vital organs begin to malfunction this affects the muscular action of the cranial nervous system, therefore it may make the symptom in a different location from the cause of the symptom.
After working 38 years with this system in the three largest hospitals in one of our larger cities in Florida, I was not found wrong one time in doing this work for the doctors. Even surgery was performed when all the instruments showed nothing was wrong and the RBTI test was proven correct each time. Sometimes surgery was performed when I had given the instruction that the patient’s energy was too low to stand the operation, and would die on the operating table. There was not one exception.
With the RBTI test we have located everything from brain tumors to ingrown toenails without any physical examination other than the numbers.
I have challenged the scientists to prove this either to be accurate or inaccurate.
I am willing to take any case, without seeing the person, or having any case history, and in thirty minutes can tell by the numbers what the problem is. Hundreds of doctors have seen me do this.
We have taught nearly 1,000 people the basic principles of this course, and many of them are medical doctors and chiropractors. They are now using the RBTI tests and are amazed at the accuracy of this…
Numbers do paint pictures, as they too are a language."
Okay, that's all! : )
Ya it sounds to me like he had a lightening bolt brain storm of an idea.
An Aha! moment. "Maybe this will work!"
Where does any development come from if not from there! Thanks for all that, AS.
I don't know why that is so hard for people to accept.
Belief in God is a way of interpreting reality. In fact, everybody has their own ways of interpreting reality. Nobody can percieve reality directly. The problem with the "science" people is that they don't realize this. They think they are immediately in touch with reality instead of interpreting it in their own ways. So they claim they know for sure there is no God and become militant atheists. What they fail to realize though is that God is very real in the faith of people, and that this reality isn't something that's somehow less real. And what really freaks them out is for some people using a relitious way of interpreting works much better than their own "scientific" way…
When Challen says "God heals" you could substitute that for "the body is healing itself" or "nature is doing its work" or whatever. Isn't that quite simple?
I'm still far from convinced about the whole RBTI thing, but I am indeed intrigued after Moi's attacks on naysayers have died down and after I've been reading into it a little bit more. What is health? All the traditional healing systems hold that health is some kind of balance, and so does RBTI. But the twist is that RBTI combines this with a measurable set of numbers, which makes the whole thing much less esoterical. So… if it is for real (and aren't we all wishing it were), it's pretty amazing.
"We have taught nearly 1,000 people the basic principles of this course, and many of them are medical doctors and chiropractors. They are now using the RBTI tests and are amazed at the accuracy of this…"
Still my question remains…. What happened to those people? Why aren't they practicing the RBTI? If they do, why can't they do what Reams could do / Challen can do?
Its so funny how spamming / quoting Reams flyers is supposed to be some kind of proof of good science, success or a good explination of anything.
Hundreds of doctors marvelled, ladeez an gents! Not one exception to the rule in all those hospitals!! This is all true because….. well…. because Reams wrote it….
Its like carnival barking with lots of confusing numbers and factless facts thrown in. All it shows is how little he knew, how and how silly his mumbo jumbo is, and how much he liked to brag about his method. Might have worked on uneducated folks back in the 50s…. how many ppl here read or WRITE some layperson blogs with a better basic grasp of nutrition and health facts than Reams ?
So um really not helping anything by quoting it. Lol. Its like a nice vintage bedtime story about fairies being offered as proof that Tinkerbell exists.
Yes, there are many others practicing RBTI and helping people to get well … do not be fooled into believing that Challen and only Challen knows how to do the RBTI.
missing the point Anon. Matt says ***ONLY CHALLEN*** has cracked the Rbti code. Everyone else trying is wrong, bad, evil, dumb & will probably kill you w/ too much disstilled water.
this of course has nothing to do with the matter that he's helping Challen set up his Rbti school.it's just facts, Challen knows all. he's seen it with his own eyes.
"We have taught nearly 1,000 people the basic principles of this course, and many of them are medical doctors and chiropractors. They are now using the RBTI tests and are amazed at the accuracy of this…"
Still my question remains…. What happened to those people? Why aren't they practicing the RBTI? If they do, why can't they do what Reams could do / Challen can do?
Very good questions and I've wondered the same myself. I honestly don't know for sure, but my guess is one of at least two things or combination of them.
1. Perhaps many of them met with the same "legal battles" as Reams went through. And I wouldn't be surprised if money – or rather the lack of profitability – played a part. Not so much for the RBTI practitioners, but rather the existence of RBTI endangering the profits of conventional medicine. So big med, big pharma, and their corrupt gov buddies surely weren't gonna go for it or let word get out. And since there's significantly less profit in the RBTI, it's not worth the time of the big players in modern medicine — nor their corrupt gov buddies that they pay off.
2. Perhaps the RBTI students had trouble convincing anyone about RBTI and couldn't get enough clients. Having the knowledge is one thing, actually getting to "practice" it is another. And practicing would be a business. A business needs clients. If practitioners couldn't get clients, then they couldn't make money. We all need to make money.
3. Maybe all of the above.
good point. There are more RBTI testers and practioners out there but they their websites are not as Google friendly as they would like it to be.
And obviously they do not have a network behind them claiming "they are the only one who know what they are doing".
I found the friends of RBTI on a RBTI website. Testers, consultants and persons who are interested in RBTI can be registered. I have a feeling more persons will be registered:
I do believe that Challen is probably the only one who is practicing the real RBTI without deviation. He studied under Reams for over 10 years. And I don't believe other practitioners out there are as knowledgeable as Challen in the RBTI. And it appears that over the years, Challen has developed the ability to see the patterns in the numbers like Reams did.
I personally wouldn't go to anyone else but Challen. But that's just me. And it's nothing personal against other RBTIers. I just have more faith in Challen's long-time knowledge, experience, and time with Reams.
I took notice when I first learned of him that Challen has kept low key with regard to the RBTI (not his only or even main source of income) all these years – no advertising of RBTI – only getting referrals by word of mouth. I think it was intentional on his part to stay under the radar. Thus avoiding potential legal battles. Very smart.
Will Challen still give you a consult if you buy your testing equipment from another company?
Also- all of you whiners about Matt's process would totally SUCK at exploration or innovation. Chill out.
BTW- God DOES exist.
What are the experiments you did while avoiding pork? I am curious to know.
You are absolutely correct that RBTI and its believers rely heavily on faith and Christianity. But most scientists do rely on believes too. They did not always study their teachings but just assume they are correct, they simply wave off everything that does not match with it.
I went to a top-scientist who was dead sure that distilled water was poison. Drinking a liter of it would probably get you hospitalized, I drink much more than that.
Now to separate the facts from the rest of your story, I will start with a quote and after that answer:
remember that pure calcium hydroxide reads: "DANGER! HARMFUL IF SWALLOWED OR INHALED. CAUSES BURNS TO SKIN AND EYES.
CAUSES SEVERE IRRITATION TO RESPIRATORY TRACT."
Take it and you will experience the label is correct. According to Dr. Reams Limewater was one of the only sources of calcium oxide that is not poisonous to our body. You should delude it in water however, but I know some who have taken it undiluted, which made it taste really bad, but did not harm them.
They also recommend consuming diatomaceous earth– which is a livestock dewormer and insecticide– if saliva ph is "too high".
So it is used as a livestock dewormer and insecticide. Does that mean it will not work in humans? Some larves of insects are insects, which makes the link to the dewormer and insecticide part. If a person has a high pH, that person is more prone to have parasites.
@Sarah…..another spiritual story.My mother passed away and all of a sudden weird things started happening in my house.Pictures falling and small figures dropping off of shelves.Never happened before and me and my brothers would just say "Mom is still around".One day I went over my brothers house and was telling him to go with me to visit my mothers grave site.He kept saying that it would make him more sad and during this conversation a 12×12 picture fell onto my lap.My brother looks at me all wild eyed :) and when I turn the pic over its my mother hugging me with such a look of love in her eyes.Now this pic was on a shelf and sitting behind books and stuff to keep it there so take what you want of it.Still warms my heart to think about it.
Now back to science and RBTI.I am not following the RBTI but only trying to fix my screwed up PH.I cant believe the improvement already.My PH is all over the place with high saliva/urine then perfect and then yesterday both low etc.Even with that my energy is going thru the roof.I posted before where I said I run here and there now.Today I got to a stop with delivery on 7fl.I waited about 10secs and then "decided" to run the stairs up.I made it to 5fl and walked the rest.This is freaking amazing and I don't think I can relate that to anyone becuase no one but me knows how shitty I have been feeling for decades.
My bodyfat is dropping daily and I am not counting anything!!!The daily bloating as day goes on is greatly reduced.Ever notice the skinny people never bloat while chubby and obese bloat all day…I think its just acid overload and now every person I see I wanna tell them to check their PH.
What I have been doing is adding 1/4 teaspoon and 1/8 teaspoon of baking soda to every gallon of distilled I drink.Then I add 8oz of lemon to each gallon(bottled).Then I take 4 calcium citrates and 3 coral calciums per meal.This is bringing my PH towards the goal but even now the improvement is immense so yes I am a believer in the RBTI PH/calcium theory!!!!!;)
Anonmous, who's whining? Lot of good questions. Or do you believe that thinking = whining?
"BTW- God DOES exist""
Last I checked this wasn't a religious blog. I hope it stays that way, to be more inclusive. Everyone's got a right to their own beliefs and opinions here. Please don't act like your personal opinion or assumption on a God is an established fact everyone should all agree with, its disrespectful.
Anonymous was accusing those who criticize RBTI to be "angry", "mad", "close-minded", and refrain from exploration. This is why Anonymous called them "whiners."
Also, there was no proof that Anonymous wants to coerce everyone here to believe in God. It's more of expressing his frustration, after he/she had a heated debate with us.
Something similar happened one month ago, between Dorie and Moi.
I will explain my interpretation of what happened between Dorie and OriginalRBTI'er (Moi), below
See Dorie's first several post. Dorie might have offended OriginalRBTI'er. In Dorie's last post, she said that RBTI is "cult-like", and Dorie had accused RBTI followers as sheeples who only listen to their consultants. Her claims against RBTI might have offended OriginalRBTI'er.
OriginalRBTI'er was offended by Dorie's post, so he wanted to defend himself by writing a post back to Dorie, by arguing that RBTI isn't very cult-like.
But Rosenfelt was offended by his reply. Rosenfelt said: "in my opinion it's really offensive for you to say what you did to Dorie who was just sharing her experience with RBTI."
But people are sloppy in their words, especially when they are angry and want to save their reputation. In this case, OriginalRBTI'er wanted to save his reputation by dismissing his "cult follower" status that Dorie had accused him of. Because people are sloppy in their words when are angry, it is possible that OriginalRBTI'er was being unclear what he really meant.
So OriginalRBTI'er probably wasn't really "promising" anything between Dorie and him.
OriginalRBTI'er probably did know that Dorie was "just sharing her experience." So the allegations of him being "condescending" towards Dorie were unwarranted.
I know very little about RBTI, and I don't avoid butter, coconut oil, and pork. So if I am missing something, then my interpretation of the events may be wrong.
Also, I am not blaming Dorie, Rosenfelt, or OrginialRBTI. OriginalRBTI may have been offended by Dorie's writing, but I don't think she meant to accuse all RBTI'ers as "cult followers", because she probably didn't intend her writing to be actual arguments and it may be more of an emotional response or rationalization against RBTI (but Dorie may possibly have more legitimate reasons against RBTI but she didn't mention them here because it would take too much time for her to type them).
Thirdly, I am not "victim-blaming." I am not blaming Rosenfelt or Dorie for being offended by OrginalRBTI's writing. And conversely, I am not "condoning" OriginalRBTI for being offended by Dorie's writing.
Finally, this was just my interpretation of the events that happened. I may be missing something since I know very little of RBTI.
OaaW- GO AWAY if you have nothing useful to say. You don't even know the right gender of the commenters.Your [posts are annoying and pointless. Nobody needs your voiceover.
Wholey Moly – I see it as you're not convinced. That's fine with me.
Oaaw, Your post didn't contain anything to be convinced OF. there's no actual information in it, just your weirdo noodling
To anon looking at paying almost $600.00 for a kit/consultation and anyone else interested. Yesterday I spent $306.52 (including shipping) for a complete kit from here pikeagri dot com/vmchk/Urine-/-pH-testing/View-all-products dot html (now I didn't buy extra water bottles or pipettes because I'm not sure yet if they're really necessary).
I referenced this site for a picture of a complete kit
advancedideals dot org/021_laboratory_equip dot html
And this site
thereamsdiet dot com/testequipment
which sells a kit for $389.00 (before shipping) which includes instruction video but they use a reagent to test pH and I wanted to get a pH meter. Before I ordered I checked RBTI.info and in addition to extensive and easy to understand info on what you're testing they also include "how to test" for each number!
I would be interested to know EXACTLY what Challen's kit contains if Kelly or someone else who has bought from him wouldn't mind sharing the info.
I've been reading Matt's blog since 10/10 and have seen some major changes in my approach and attitude towards eating and don't really have any major health problems…weight issue from jacked up metabolism and adrenal fatigue from same lifetime of bad calorie restriction. So I am looking forward to seeing what Challen/RBTI has to say about my numbers after I get my kit.
I do have the right to say what I want. If many people on this topic can also be disrespectful by suggesting that God is just voodoo, why can't I say my opinion?
Also, until you actually test the RBTI, this is just armchair speculation. I don't really know if RBTI is valid or not- but like others- what's it going to hurt to do a pee sample or two? I've spent less money at my chiropractor.
Actually, what I mean is that this is LESS than what I spend at the chiropractor.
Who said God was definitively voodoo? I did not see that. Of course you have the right to believe and say what you want, as we all do. Just please be aware that everyone else is being respectful and not stating their belief or non-belief of any spiritual matters as concrete facts to be argued over. Just personal opinions and experience. It makes it a welcoming and charitable space for all.
There's all types and walks of life here, that's what makes this place so lovely. As a Christian, I really appreciate the respectful conversating. I would never presume to impose me faith as truth on a group of people that may contain Christians, Muslims, non-specific spiritual people, Agnostics, Jewish, Hindus, Athiests, Pantheists, Buddhists, the questioning, and so on. If RBTI truly can be practiced right without my belief in God, whether or not anyone agrees with me that He exists shouldn't matter. Could be helpful for many people.
@AS- I'm sure it was you who said that quote. Thanks to you I'm no longer that fool. Well not as much of one anyways LOL. Shame he didn't get it. I used to think I was always right and knew everything. Knowing you has helped me grow out of that. Thanks for showing me how interesting and fun considering the other possibilities can be. You are a true friend and a real gem of a person.
Those were great points from you: science, religion, Reams, Challen and the other RBTI students/practitioners. Yeah I would say that 10 years with Reams would give Challen a huge advantage over the rest who took a few RBTI courses to say the least.
Hello you crazy peoples!
I was wondering if the experienced RBTIers could answer some questions that I know people have already asked but I never saw any complete answers for. One, I was going to ask how different foods affected the numbers. If the no foods all affect the numbers differently, I imagine it would be better for one to eat very limited amounts of all the no foods than to eat a lot of just one. Or I guess it could be worse the other way too???? confusing.
Also, I was going to re-ask the question I had concerning the amount of any specific no-no food ingested. Logically, I'd have to think that eating a large rack of pork ribs would have a much more profound effect on the numbers and cause greater energy loss than say, a bite of bacon.
Yes that Would be true butternuts. But one bite of bacon could make someone really sick depending on their chemistry.
Reams said that if you are in A range yu can get away with breaking more of the rules but for those of us who were really sick then just a bite of bacon could set us back a bit.
Personally I haven't touched the stuff since starting RBTI but I have eaten foods that have made me feel rough for a few days. Normally those are bad oils.
But for example eating a potato is not as bad as eating bacon. So some of the foods are NO foods and others are do not abuse foods. Hope that answers your question.
What do you mean by "bad oils?" Rancid oils?
@Carla – Not sure if anyone answered your question, but I can't answer off the top of my head exactly what is in my kit. We just moved so my house is a mess. Let me know if you still need that list, though, and I will get it for you.
PLEASE email me, since I'm not subscribed to these comments and can't find the button for it.
aaronandkellyp at gmail dot come
Seriously, guys, you should check how much these things cost before you start saying it's too expensive. I bought all of the essentials from Pike-Agri and Amazon for ~200 dollars:
(gonna go by memeory for the prices)
PH strips ~17
Vee Gee BTX-20 refractometer ~80
conductivity meter (with half the "necessary" range, so I just dilute the urine) ~26
Urea and protein digesting kit from Pike-Agri: ~56
+some paper cups, plastic measuring spoons