From what I can tell there are 5 basic metabolic types.
The Pathetic metabolism is marked by tremendous weakness and constant cold body temperature. Eating anything of sustenance causes bloat. Bouts of charcoal constipation interspersed with diarrhea is the digestive function of the pathetic metabolic type at best. Allergies to everything except water, but even water can exacerbate indigestion. Muscles are emaciated and the body is tremendously gaunt and underweight. Depression would be used to describe this person’s mental state when they’re in a good mood, much less a bad one. I know this metabolism very well after starving in the Wilderness for 44 days several years ago.
The Heinous metabolism is a lot like the pathetic metabolism, only without the emaciation. Frequent illness and allergies to many things, including foods are present. IBS is very commont, and indigestion is still present. Often very gassy and sensitive to many things like the pathetic metabolism. This is common amongst vegetarians and women in their 20’s that are doing everything they can to be healthy, such as exercise very hard, eat a low-fat or low-carb diet, drink soy milk, and practically live off of smoothies and salads. 100 calorie snack bars are also a favorite of those with the Heinous type metabolism. I spent many years with this metabolic type as well, with a touch of the poor metabolic type. Body temperature usually runs around 96-97 degrees F in the groggy mornings.
The Poor metabolism is the most common form of metabolism. Although many poor metabolism types feel pretty good, have decent spirits, and half decent digestion most of the time ? they don’t look so hot. Edema is present and bodies are swollen with excessive body fat stores. They are tired a lot of the time, and they are constantly hungry. Allergies, asthma, acne, male pattern baldness, and menstrual problems abound. Weight problems are always an issue. As they age, pain increases, zest for life diminishes, and the typical wings of metabolic syndrome besiege them. Many baby boomers are of the poor metabolic type. They get by, but heart attack, diabetes, and cancer danger lurks around every corner. Arthritis, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Autoimmune disease, and other pestering illnesses grab them the moment they slip towards the Poor metabolic type.
The Mediocre metabolism is the kind that most of the healthiest people you know embody. They can eat sweets, drink coffee in the morning, have beers with the gang and eat until they are full and maintain a healthy weight. They have no pressing psychological or digestive problems. They rarely need to go to the doctor. Their skin is pretty healthy, and their teeth appear to be a nice, white color. They have pretty good and consistent energy levels, like sports and other activities but aren’t exercise fanatics, they don’t think about what they eat all that much but prefer real food, and they never diet. Pigging out on junk food generally doesn’t make them feel good, so they don’t do it. They have no serious addictions. They are generally more attractive than the average Joe and Joanne. But they are still not immune to diseases of aging. They are almost as prone to get heart disease and cancer as the rest of the population.
The Excellent metabolism is an extreme rarity. Only those with very strong constitutions that also nourish themselves with lots of high-quality food even have a shot at remaining in this metabolic state beyond childhood. They have straight teeth, have never had cavities, and don’t need glasses. They have never had frequent illness, or an illness that lasted for more than a few days. They also seem to never get injured, even doing dangerous sports like skiing or jogging. Once upon a time such metabolic excellence was required just to survive. Not anymore though. There’s a fix for all those problems. They live into old age without heart disease, stroke, diabetes, obesity, Alzheimer’s, arthritis, osteoporosis, or any other common malady that accompanies aging.
This is of course a gross oversimplification and a total facetious ode to the idea of metabolic typing. Yes, we are all metabolically unique, but when it comes to the big picture, you can either identify your metabolic type and try to cater to its weaknesses, or you can do as much as you can to improve your metabolism. The excellent metabolism is what we strive to find ways to achieve at 180, no matter who we are or what our backgrounds or heredity may be.
I was born as a 4, became an instant 2-3 when I hit puberty, then slowly slipped back into the 3-4 range by my late teens (with a brief dip into 5 thanks to overexcercising on a low-calorie diet) before finally figuring out how to live and nourish myself in a way that yields metabolic improvement. I’m not a 1 yet by any means, but I’m a pretty solid 2 now, and I don’t take it for granted. I hope I’m on my way, and that if I ever have children, what I’m doing will contribute to them being born above 4, where I started life. That’s a real sign that ground has been made up for, and the tides of degeneration are turning to regeneration.
Without further ado, I give you the most detailed description of the Excellent metabolic type, referred to by Henry Bieler as ‘the adrenal type. This is definitely what we should all strive for in our health pursuits?
From Henry Bieler’s Food is Your Best Medicine (1965):
?The physical energy of the adrenal type is seemingly inexhaustible, as is the nervous response of the sympathetic system, a result of perfect oxidation of phosphorous in the nerve tissue. Oxidation of carbon in the muscular system gives the adrenal type his great warmth. Thus, the temperature of his body is scarcely ever below 98.8, with hands and feet always pleasantly warm. As digestion and detoxication of food poisons depend greatly upon oxidation in the liver and intestines, it follows that the typical adrenal type, with his perfect oxidation, has thorough digestion. In fact, he may and often does boast that he can eat any and all kinds of food without discomfort. The exogenous uric acid products as well as the indoxyl compounds are completely detoxicated in the liver, do not accumulate in the blood, nor are they found in the urine.
?The skeletal muscles are well developed and have splendid tone. Fatigue is practically unknown to the adrenal type. His muscular endurance is spectacular. And the perfect tone of the involuntary muscles is evidenced by complete and rapid peristalsis, resulting in several bowel evacuations daily. He can dine on the most impossible food combinations imaginable with no evil results??
?The quality of the blood is characteristic. A slight to marked polycythemia (more red cells than usual) occurs; leucopenia, or abnormal white cell count on the low side, is never noted. The blood, which is of a rich, red color, clots quickly. Fatal hemorrhage seldom occurs. The immunity against bacterial invasion is spectacular. The typical adrenal type hardly ever becomes infected, even with venereal diseases??
?A member of the adrenal-type group has a phlegmatic disposition ? easygoing, jolly, slow to anger, never bothered with insomnia, fear or ?cold feet. He will often go out of his way to avoid a quarrel. Customarily, he has a wide circle of friends because he is warm-hearted and surrounded by an ?aura? of kindly sympathy.
?Splendid circulation gives him warm, magnetic hands??
?He never worries?His digestion is good and he is seldom constipated. It is possible for him to stand more treatments, operations and even more lung hemorrhages than any other type of patient. He is the patient most often discharged as arrested or cured. All the treatment necessary for his recovery is supplied by bed rest and fresh air.
Now that is what I’m talkin? about. Can we get there? We’ll see.
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Great post Matt. Wish I had that good old adrenal type metabolism.
Any chance of having a holiday discount on your ebooks? haha, I might buy one!
Just wait til January. In January I'm going to do a bundle of all 4 ebooks for probably 30-something. If I can give you a discount, I surely will.
True, that adrenal type metabolism sounds pretty sick. I want that for Christmas.
Fortunately, I think just cutting out the common evils such as sugar and veggie oils is enough to get most people to the #2 slot, especially us yungins. HED seems to be catapulting some into the #1 slot, at least in part. Hoping the milk diet will be my ticket when I try it in 2010.
all 4 for 30 sounds great!
Matt, what is your opinion on what dark circles under the eyes is and what can get rid of it?
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30-something, which means probably 39.95 or 36.95. Still better than 20 each.
I think dark circles under the eyes has a lot to do with adrenal stress. Lack of sleep is the best way to stress the adrenals and obvioulsy the most common cause, but there are other causes. I can sleep all I want, but on a very low-carb diet I get circles under my eyes very quickly. Particularly ol' lefty.
For me, to get rid of them, all I have to do is eat more carbs and get good rest. For you, you'll probably have to do a little inventory of adrenal stressors in your life to see what is the most likely culprit.
Matt, I just want to say that your blog is a truly a level above all the other health blogs that have narrowed in on some small health issue and have totally missed the bigger picture. The idea of over-nourishment as a path to health instead of obesity is genius. The only other time I've seen that idea before was the early bodybuilding movement when they knew that muscles did not grow if they were not fed generously. It's just brilliant. Food should be treated like a dear friend, not an enemy like it is on every low-carb, paleo, low-fat, organic, vegan, vegetarian, or flexitarian program.
Thanks Scott. I hope I'm right. I don't want to live in any of the dietary prisons you just mentioned – and that's coming from a health fanatic. Imagine how miserable a normal person would be trying to live on such restricted fare.
Speaking of prisons and progressive weakening on restricted diets, the nutrition world seems to have lost a great hero to diet prison. One of my great idols. I can't believe this happened to Ron Schmid…
Another thing…I just finished finals from my third semester in law school. I have been eating 4000 kcals+ per day since October, although when I stopped working out after thanksgiving I noticed a dramatic decrease in appetite. Anyhow, I've been eating the hell out of milk, cheese, meat, potatoes, rice, just good quality food. My body is definitely stronger. I've been blowing through bongloads and beers the last two days, and I feel like a teenager again, not even phased by a night of hard partying. Of course, I would never return to this type of activity, but to compare the partying of now to my first semester, when I was low carb and paleo, I got wrecked bad back then (probably only at 2500 kcals per day). Not this time, my liver is shredding those drugs up like nothing.
I've been drinking a can of coconut milk per day for the last 3 weeks, and that seems to have really put me over the top into feeling strong and invigorated. It feels great, everyday as soon as I wake up my body is coursing with energy. So what if I've gained 8 lbs! Gots to heal.
Thanks Troy. It looks like a good alternative to taking it orally. I found some Magnesium Glycinate in a tablet with 200mg per tablet. Im starting at 1 tablet with each meal. Of course I cant be sure about the absorability, but I read several reviews on it and people seem to think it is absorbed well despite being in a tablet form. So we'll see. Unless something is harmful I will use it until its gone, even if its less ideal, so I dont waste the money.
That spray is quite interesting, but it takes 11 sprays to get a measly 100mg (even though they say it absorbs twice as well so you only need to use half as much as you would an oral supplement), and you wipe the excess off after 30 minutes, so I guess its in the morning or evening and you'd have to go around all oily for a bit. But if its either oiley or poo-ey, Id choose oiley.
Matt: I think not getting enough sleep is the problem. I usually get about 7 hours, I guess I need more.
39.95 or 36.95 would still be fine.
Ha I can totally relate to #4. Salads and smoothies were all I lived off of. And the smoothies could only have a maximum of three berries, one if it was a strawberry.
Just a question, if you were born at say a three, is it possible to exceed that even with adequate nutrition? Or would you just have to hope regeneration would occur in the next generation?
If I thought we couldn't improve, I wouldn't be doin' this. I think we can all improve to at least a 2, no matter what our age or our nutritional and heredity history. I'm not giving up until I'm, like Arnold, Numero Uno.
Great post, Matt.
I am just laughing every day at the truly gargantuan amounts of food I am eating and not gaining weight. BM (Before Matt), I had been eating wholesome food with medium amounts of sugar, not trying to avoid fat especially, but unable to get out of the metabolic hole. Now I'm eating cream and butter like crazy, sweet potatoes the size of footballs, and seeing some good changes.
Friends report my skin is looking ten years younger. (I had been pretty wrinkly in the face.) Not sure which part is responsible– quitting caffeine or sugar? — but while I didn't look overweight before, my body was pretty…flaccid. Poor muscle tone and just flabby. And now, with almost no exercising, it's firming up nicely. Loss of edema I guess? Also I can really notice how after a big meal I feel *happy*.
So I'd be thrilled to get to Mediocre, but not giving up on Excellent! Bring on the cream!
I was traveling for a week which shot my temps all to hell, but I expect that to start climbing again soon. Traveling is murder when you're trying to move from Heinous to Mediocre. Just fries those adrenals right up.
Also Matt, your cooking eBook is really good. Just made that creamy chicken and broccoli last night and it was awesome.
Get it Nell. That's what I'm talkin' bout!
How's it affected your ping pong game? I assume it's probably dangerous to be on the other side of the table now.
this is great stuff. i was probably born at a 3 or 4. my mother was pretty conscious of food and loved to eat and she also nursed me until i was 16 months old, and never gave me formula, which was somewhat taboo in the 70's. so i think i have had fairly good health b/c of that. but somewhere down the line of ancestors the nutrients were not there b/c of all the dental work i've had plus the back and neck problems and needing glasses etc.
and then of course like many on here i just *had* to turn to the dark side and really mess myself up with vegetarianism and raw veganism. at this point i am between a 2 and 3, closer to 2. i think. i'd love to be a super 2. and then continue towards 1.
it's amazing the difference b/t my two kids. both get sick extremely rarely and it only lasts a week at most. but my first is very thin and has a much narrower jaw. he's super brilliant thanks i believe to the fact that i kicked myself in the rear at 8 weeks post partum and turned a 180 to start eating a WAP diet with loads of fats, esp. coconut oil. my second is fat and happy. she is 4 months old and probably weighs what a 6 month old would. i love it. it's exactly what i was hoping for in my second child. i was also happier and recovered more quickly.
oh and the ron schmid thing is sad. in the comments he said he thinks nightshades are bad for all people. that diet he eats is pathetic. what did you think of his response to your diabetes/milk diet questions?
His history is on the WAPF. He thought he had it all right, eating moderate n? sane diet, then crashed down with lyme, freaked out. I would never judge him, that must be like the worst nightmare, specially being a naturopath and, well, Ron Schmid. Don’t know how much he tried the milk diet, but I doubt he really trusts it. And, answering for Matt (sorry pal), It's evident that Ron, when answering the question, is missing the mark by much. He is thinking, just as in his own case, in controlling symptoms; keto for the insulin-failure guy. Porter and Macfadden where all about healing. It's funny how he may (or may not) have the answer in his hands all the time. Gotta ask him if he ever tried it for himself.
No need to worry, Rice lover, I already asked him. Hope my post doesn't get zapped. If it is, this was it, so you can troll him some,I mean, keep asking in a less polemic manner:
Ron, I’m very sick and would like to try the milk diet. Did you ever tried it on yourself? Sorry to be this blunt, but in my understanding, we have been consuming nightshades and cooking foods since hundreds of thousands of years ago, and it wouldn’t surprise me that we had natural mechanisms to detoxify of any poisons we may naturally find in the food that we as omnivores have consumed through our history. I bring this up because, in reading the books about the milk diet, I have found that patients were able to resume a normal, not extremely restrictive, diet (hell, maybe even with some sugar or crap) without losing their health inmediately, even the very sick ones. Charles Sanford Porter talked only about moderation as the way to keep what was gained. It’s not that I’m not willing to do whatever is necessary, but then, what really healing is? If you read Price, those guys ate tubers (peruvians ate boiled potatoes), and grains, and bugs, and whatever natural and not overtly toxic at hand, and they where so, but so much healthy than us all? Why? Can WE get to that level?
Btw, I think I already know the answer he'll give me, but had to try.
Oh, and don't worry, I'm still on the verge of collapse, but I think the b12 is holding me here. :-)
If ever so slightly… *coughs*
Team Smith –
Amazing that it can turn around with such simple changes. That's very reassuring.
Rice lover –
I couldn't have been more saddened by Schmid's fatalistic response. It was like he'd forgotten about this thing called healing. Poor bastard.
El Sesenta y seis,
Great comment. You nailed it, and you sound pretty together in that comment. You must be gettin' better. The milk diet is a healing protocol. It is not to be pre-judged based on its carbohydrate content because the patient is diabetic. Read William Campbell-Douglass's chapter in the Milk Book on the milk diet if you want some insight on using it for diabetics.
I very much liked Ron when i first got into all of this… sooo sad.
Matt, what if a healthy person with a healthy weight took natural thyroid… would there be any negative effects, or only more positive ones?
Interesting question, given that native americans ate thyroid, and also eskimos. It may not apply to them depending of how it was prepared, but it really interests me, anyway. At least to a hypothyroid, taking to much thyroid makes him hyper, but then, the same happens when he takes the right dose but his adrenals can’t keep up…
Hmmmm, thyroid… Food for thought.
I assume that small amounts of desiccated thyroid are probably pretty benign. I don't think you would benefit from having even more mtabolic activity than what could be considered optimal.
Oh my, talk about depressing (for me):
"Jose, I am not going to try to explain the difference between what I do and what Price wrote about, and I am not interested in debating people about what constitutes ideal diet. I have simply had to go further than Dr. Price did in my clinical work. Price was primarily a dentist and a researcher, and not a medical clinician. In over thirty years as a practicing doctor, I have seen far more sick people than he ever did. I do not feel bound by what he wrote, nor by what anyone else has written about his work. I base my recommendations on my personal experience and that of my thousands of patients.
I have written about what has worked for me and my patients, for the purpose of providing the information for people like you who might choose to use it.
I have done the milk diet, yes. I find the diet I describe in my blog to be far superior, and far superior to what most people consider ‘the Weston Price diet. You write that you are very sick. I can only suggest that you follow the diet and supplement suggestions I have made to the degree that seems appropriate for your situation. In a month or so, let me know how you are making out."
So there it is… "I have done the milk diet, yes. I find the diet I describe in my blog to be far superior, and far superior to what most people consider ‘the Weston Price diet."
What is one to do then? If I wasn't so stubborn in following my intuition I would't be this fucked up. Anyway, I wouldn't even be myself, so… Damm, the only horrible thing is that he tried it. It's like fuckin' Darth Va… He could as easily fuckin' told me he was my father…
:-) Hell, at least I know HIS is not the path. That's pretty much obvious, since he can't even manage potatoes. Damm, even I can manage potatoes. So….
Troll him I must:
"Dr. Ron, I have been told by many people that the milk diet was the ultimate healing tool, yet the only books that promote it are old and lacking modern medical understanding. Your recommendations are very sound, specially the part about avoiding anything our body disagrees with, we obviously aren't made to handle those things. You seem the very picture of health now, incredible for someone with Lyme's. My body is certainly in disagree with milk, since I'm casein sensitive, and, I must ask, should we avoid such posibly faddist and extreme measures such as the milk diet? Those books seem to promise heaven on earth, but surely their authors don't have your down to earthness. That puts me in a problem, anyway, since I can't access your supplements or any of that kind, and I lack money or resources to live on a diet like yours. Measures such as that diet are the only things that I may be able to resort to. It's discouraging that real paths to health like yours are at the hand of so few…
Doctor, did you try that same diet promoted by Charles Sanford porter and others? My friends and familiars want me to try it, but I find milk damaging. They say in the conditions of such a diet, the rules of day to day don't apply, I don't believe them. Please, give me some rational advise, since this all is driving me nuts."
Troll him, indeed.
Matt I was wondering…since you answer all the posts here personally (which I find very useful and informative and for which I thank you), how hard would it be for you to start a forum? I don't know what's involved re cost and time so I would understand your reluctance to do it. But it would be so much easier to follow individual responses on a variety of subjects. What do you say?
Thanks for including us in your dialogue with Schmid. I have no doubts that his diet, in a sense, "works." It is a very easy to manage diet that has removed most anything and everything that could be problematic. It could be very healing, despite being imprisoning. It is a bummer to see that he cannot eat a normal human diet and be healthy, but that's not really your concern right now. You are just trying to survive, and you need food that you can metabolize correctly and plenty of it. It's hard to say what his milk diet experiences are. Maybe he didn't do his full 6 to 7 quarts per day. Maybe he used only Jersey milk, in which case the extreme fat content probably just made him sick. Maybe the milk diet just isn't all that. Regardless, I'll see for myself one of these days. The claims merit exploration for sure.
I'll be setting up a forum some time in 2010 – at least that's the plan. There will be quite a few changes this year if everything goes as planned.
If I try to go zero or low carb my digestion (and the ability to bring food to my mouth) implodes and I become hungry but unable to eat. Vegetables hate me. I do try to eat organs daily, and my meat not overcooked. Love my liver semi-raw. BUT, my head is still as a barren desert, cold and infertile.
"Pete, I have done a week or two at a time on just raw grassfed milk, and a number of my patients have, with considerable benefit. But I find my present diet superior. And as you point out, milk does not agree with everyone.
My diet does not have to be expensive. Free range eggs and raw vegetables are not terribly costly, nor are the less expensive cuts of beef, nor some fish. It is a matter of priorities, and making a decision to take charge of one’s health.
Avoiding poor foods is a matter of discipline. I was recently abroad traveling and food choices were limited. For ten days I lived on raw eggs, raw vegetables, occasional raw milk, and a little fish. I was fine. As far as my control of my Lyme disease ? as long as I eat as I follow my diet strictly, as described in my first blog post, I have no symptoms.
But I often say, ?I’m only as good as my last meal. This becomes more and more true as one gets older. I suggest that you make a decision to follow the plan I’ve outlined in whatever way your circumstances dictate, and discover for yourself a path out of your confusion. Food and the discipline a positive mental attitude makes possible are the keys."
:-) Now, Matt, I get your point about trying to survive, but I'm one pride and stubborn bastard. If I have a chance to get to real health, I gotta take it. That "trying to survive is for pussies" mentality has probably done me some serious damage, lol, but that's me, and I think I'm just going to die like that, healed or not. Besides, given my inability to get to get a good doctor, have the proper tests and the proper treatment to whatever I have, and the fact that my mind is, anyway, quite limited,and so is my support, simplicity may be my best ally. So may be placebo, and for some reason I don't trust Ron's advice. The not going to discuss anything answer is as fishy as it gets. And I'm not gonna discuss that, with anyone.
I really want to add milk back into my foods.
I had a small glass of raw milk the afternoon, and I got the normal lactose intolerant response, bloat and mega gas.
If I start downing more large amounts, should the bacteria present in the milk allow for lactose to be broken down. I guess with a down rev'd metabolism they won't colonize quickly.
Or should I wait for the metabolism to rev up more. but shouldn't milk addition help rev it faster…
Chicken and egg scenario…
Interesting you put boomers in the poor metabolism category. My mom told me the typical infant "formula" in the mid '50's was evaporated milk and Karo syrup (an unflavored cooking syrup). It would seem many of us were set up early to have metabolic problems by such a protocol. Even though I've always been pretty healthy, I have always been fighting extra weight, even if I lose I can't maintain.
The Poor metabolism describes me to a "T". HED may be the ticket for the energy and as you say "zest for life". Fortunately I'm not fighting any of the big ticket diseases, just feel like crap after nearly killing myself with low carb and trying to heal with supplements. Food is the answer! Blows my mind!
Now if I could just kick my caffeine habit (and occasional smoke!)
For those of you interested in the Milk Diet…
You can download Charles Ssanford Porter's book here:
And Bernarr Macfadden's book here:
I'm going to be starting this program next week with raw goat's milk plus some colostrum. Hopefully it'll be my ticket out of metabolic hell!
Who was it that is currently on the milk diet and has been for a couple weeks or so already? Whoever you are, could you give us updates every few days? Id like to see how you are feeling at different parts of the diet. Ive been thinking of giving it a shot for 2 weeks (minus the bed rest as most people still have jobs!).
what if you did the milk diet with raw egg yolks thrown in… would it increase the healing time?
I've done some googling on the milk diet and have found Porter's book can also be downloaded at http://www.archive.org/details/milkdietasareme00portgoog or at http://dd.freedomlives.net/~andrew/ebooks/milk_diet.pdf and Macfadden's book is also fully viewable at google.books or at http://www.scribd.com/doc/13590117/The-Milk-DietBernarr-MacFadden.
The difference between Porter and Macfadden is that Porter says you should rest in bed almost all the time during the cure, but Macfadden says that the milk cure will in most cases work without complete bed rest and some easy activities will not likely hinder the treatment. Macfadden also writes about modifications of the diet, where he mentions some cases had received successful treatment by combining the milk diet with some other food. Although he says that then the results can not be accomplished in the same length of time as when the milk is taken exclusively.
The use of the milk diet to treat different health problems actually goes back to very old time. A letter called ?A Very Brief History of Milk As Medicine? written by Andrew Bernstein, gives a short historical review of the milk cure, http://www.rawmilkcolorado.org/Board%20of%20Health/N%20-%20A%20Brief%20History%20of%20Milk%20As%20Medicine%20(Acrobat).pdf
Many ancient physicians used the milk cure, and Hippocrates prescribed large quantities of asses' milk to treat diseases like tuberculosis. Various books and other prints of the milk cure were written in every of the 15th, 16th , 17th , 18th and 19th centuries. In the 1800s, the milk cure was popularised by some Russian and German physicians. In 1857 the book ?The Milk Cure? was published in Moscow written by Dr. Inozemtseff who had treated over thousand of patients with a diet exclusively of milk. Another Russian doctor, Philip Karell, had successfully treated hundreds of cases of asthma, neuralgia, rheumatism, fluid retention, liver disorders and many forms of mal-metabolism. Dr. G. L. Carrick, physician to the British Embassy at St. Petersburg, translated into English Karell's literature work ?On the Milk Cure?, and based on this he published an article called ?The Milk Cure? in the Edinburgh Medical Journal, August 1866. This can be read from page 540 in The American Journal of the Medical Sciences October 1866, which can be found at google books: http://www.google.com/books?id=vAMHAAAAcAAJ&hl
Another freely viewable book is ?The skim-milk treatment of diabetes and Bright's disease? by the American physician Arthur Scott Donkin (1871); http://www.archive.org/details/skimmilktreatme00donkgoog.
In this book Donkin mentions many of the other physicians that had used or were using the milk cure, and for instance he gives an example of how the milk diet could cure obesity: ?Dr. Karell quotes from Dr. Inozemt-
seff's work the case of a lady suffering from enormous
obesity; he says: ' She grew so large that she had
to let out her chemises, and at last was almost
suffocated in her own fat. All cures for obesity
were tried, but in vain. Dr. Inozemtseff had seen
many emaciated persons grow stout from the use of
milk, but he was not aware that milk also had the
power of producing a contrary effect. All remedies
having failed, he employed the milk cure, and to his
great satisfaction, his treatment was crowned with
In The Untold Story of Milk, Ron Schmid mentions Dr. J. R. Crewe of the Mayo Foundation, which treated many patients using the milk-cure. Crewe wrote an article called ?Raw Milk Cures Many Diseases? published at the Certified Milk Magazine, January, 1929. There is an edited version of this article at http://www.realmilk.com/milkcure.html.
I stopped the milk diet after 13 days. I drank 5 to 6 quarts a day. From what I could tell, I was drinking the amount Porter recommends as the minimum for my body weight. I worked while on the milk diet, and gained about 4 pounds. I also smoked about 20 unfiltered cigarettes a day. At the end of it, I was ready to stop. I had intended to go a whole month, but I felt a lot like I used to before I started eating red meat every day.
Don't let my results deter anyone from trying this diet out. I think it has great potential. One thing: my gums bleed when I drink milk, and I grew frustrated with the blood. I'm going to restrict lactose from now on until the problem resolves. Also, my eczema didn't go away. I feel like I've tried everything at this point.
Ray Peat has 2 new articles up. Just asked him about his preference for fructose over glucose. Says he recommends sucrose. I just don't get it! Conceptually, so much of what he says makes sense, but recommending table sugar sounds absolutely insane! Then again, I'm halfway convinced that tobacco is really healthy.
Also, I watched Super Size Me for the first time yesterday. I guess I'm behind the times, but weren't those doctors fucking clueless? Even me, a fucking valet parker, can type 'fructose fatty liver' into google and scope out quite a few studies showing good correlations.
Then again, Peat would say it's just the PUFA that damages the liver. One reason I'm not ready to throw out his sugar ideas is the same reason that I'm not ready to conclude that low carb is the healthiest option: The healthiest people I know are people who don't worry about their diet much–they eat bread and sugar etc. People with great longevity are usually smokers and sugar consumers. I have a friend who eats the most sugar of anybody I know, and he's literally always sweating. Maybe sugar does increase metabolism. But he's also got about 3 cavities per dentist visit–could be the breastkfast cereals and utter shit he eats, though. What we need is a control. Come to think of it, the people who eat a Mark's Daily Apple sort of diet seem to do pretty well for themselves, and they should be eating saturated fat, low PUFA, and a decent amount of fruit. Fruit is all fructose, right, or am I missing something?
d, you used pasteurized milk, didn't you? Btw, fruit is also fiber, glucose, and sucrose, and even starch, like bananas. It also has vitamins and minerals, unlike table sugar, AND Mark recommends a rather low consumption. I think. he's all about berries, which are very low fructose and low calorie. The idea is that they are more paleo like, since overly sweet fruits ara a rather modern thing, or at least neolithic (see beyondveg.com for info bout' that) and, as long as I know, not a staple of any healthy culture (though that last one is an argument of mine, not Mark's).
Rooting for you, third worlder, got guts.
hay guys, i'm looking for a little advice. I've been eating HED for over 6 months now and its been good for me, the little fat i gained at the start went quickly(i'd guess i'm at about 12% bf) and all i gain now is muscle, currently 180lbs at 5'8. I'm sure i could lose more fat although i'm making the most of being able to eat as much as i can and put on nothing but muscle. However what i had hoped to fix by eating HED has not really improved and thats my temperature. Throughout the day it is usually late 97f, sometimes low 98f and always highest after about 7pm, sometimes hitting the magical 98.6 . I can't remember exactly the basal temp, it wasn't bad but could have been better. I still has cold hands and feet and nose as much as i used to and what i think are other little things related to low temp like dandruff and sometimes bad breath etc. Sometimes i'll feel cold from sitting in front of the computer for a few hours, go and eat a 2000kcal meal and have it warm me up as much as a glass of water. This is something i've had i think my whole life (21y.o). As far as i know i was only breastfed and had a fairly decent diet most of my life.
So i'm wondering if desiccated thyroid is the only thing do try now. thanks for reading
No I used unpasteurized milk. I really don't give a shit what Mark recommends. He and Art DeVanny are annoying shits who would be healthy no matter what they ate (and they were).
Bring on the starch (see my name for further reference).
Hey D, where do you live? In the last post, you commented that you were scouring the shops for milk. Are you able to buy raw milk at the store?
And man, I've gotta ask… what kind of job do you have where you're running outside for 8 hours???
44 days, and you claim to know the Pathetic Metabolism "very well"??? HA! I say, HA! Try spending 20 YEARS there!
Anyway, this is great. Really helps me get a perspective on things, see the big picture.
Hi there. I've read quite a few comments from you just now and I think you could really help me out. Currently, I'm suspecting that going low-carb has totally devastated my health and I really would like to mail you some questions to see what you think about this. So, if you read this, please email me: madMUHHH@gmx.net
Excellent discush everyone. Sorry I was absent from it. Doing the holiday thing to the fullest.
D – "F'n valet" was hilarious. Remember that it's much easier to figure things out when you don't already "know" the wrong answers. Keep in mind I got a D in 8th grade science class (lazy not stupid), so it's obvious that my lack of poor and expensive education is one of my greatest assets at looking at health from a clean an unpolluted stance.
The fructose in HFCS is unbound – or free-fructose due to a chemical isolation process, so it probably can be considered totally different from the fructose in fruit or sucrose. Still, nutrient-free sucrose has proven itself to be highly pathological.
99% of the people on earth eat sugar and many smoke cigarettes. So both the longest and shortest-lived people eat very similar diets. There will always be long-lived people that eat crappy diets. Heredity is a bigger factor in that regard, and heredity has everything to do with diet and the nutritional status of our predecessors. I was raised on formula, given a jillion vaccines, etc. which hasn't allowed me to get away with eating unhealthy foods without swift recourse.
Sounds good. Don't panic about the body temperature just yet. All other signs are excellent, and age 21 is too early to obsess over body temperature if you feel good and are otherwise very pleased with your health. Sounds like it's coming along quite well.
In January I'll be reviewing David Brownstein's work and taking iodine in large doses to see if that has an application in bringing the body temperature up.
Right now I'd hold off on glandulars unless all 5 of the following described me:
1) Had severe and pressing health problems.
2) Tried some 180-style diet and lifestyle changes consistently for longer than an entire year.
3) Tried the milk diet.
4) Tried several other therapies such as megavitamin therapy, had vitamin D levels checked and found to be in the normal range, etc.
5) Still had an excessively low body temperature of less than 97 degrees F first thing in the morning upon waking.
thanks for the reply Matt. I don't have/haven't tried 1-5. One thing i'm certainly low in is vitamin D. I was hoping to get some sun in the summer but of course here in ireland theres only one season and its full of clouds. I have a feeling that some sun and activity would raise my temp but unfortunately for the time being i'm stuck sitting on my ass in the dark most of the day.
keep up the good work, this blog with all the comments is a goldmine of information.
Why worry about glandulars? A little bit isn't going to hurt you.
Because glandulars contain live hormones – high-potency ammunition. The body is the best self-regulator if you give it the tools it needs. When solutions cannot be found, glandulars are an option.
Schwarzbein's recommendation to "never supply a hormone that the body is making itself" echoes in my ears every time I think to tell someone to try glandulars. A podcast I listened to today on the dicey use of hormone supplementation makes me timid to throw out the glandular suggestion as well.
There are some grammatical mistakes in your post, but otherwise I found it somewhat useful.
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