Nearly 2 years ago I posted an article called “Plower vs. Force,” a summary of the two paths to weight loss: starvation or metabolic enhancement. Anyway, here are a few excerpts that are perfectly aligned with the latest discussion that’s taken place at 180 and elsewhere…
“There are two distinct paths to proper weight management. One is to be a ?plower? who mows down large quantities of nutritious unprocessed food, never skipping meals or watching portion size. The other way is through force ? exercising extremely hard and eating so little that the body cannot slow down its metabolism enough to keep body weight from dropping. One of these routes is fully sustainable and keeps the physical/mental/emotional body balanced, strong, resistant to both chronic and infectious disease, etc. The other route is a one-way ticket to bone and hair loss, physical injury, a compromised immune system and the fun that comes along with it, erratic moods, and a damaged metabolism resulting in the eventual inability to eat normal amounts of food without blowing up like a balloon…”
“…If you are genuinely interested, not in looking hot by next Tuesday and screw the rest, but in finding a way to properly nourish yourself in a way that’s sustainable, effortless in the sense that you will no longer be at war with your body, and provides you with overall vitality and a healthy bodyweight, then consider doing these things:
-Eat a ginormous (that’s gigantic and enormous combined) breakfast. One of the best ways to gain weight eating normal amounts of food or not be able to lose an ounce eating nothing is to skip breakfast. Skipping breakfast will also help you pursue your goals of acquiring type II Diabetes and other degenerative diseases.
-Eat three meals per day, whether you are hungry at meal time or not. A bagel or Caesar salad is not a meal. Think of what grandma would have served: a starch, a vegetable cooked with a hunk of pork fat, meat, soup, bread and butter, and a huge glass of milk. And she would force every bite down your throat…”
“… It amazes me how ingrained it is in people’s minds that eating less is the way to health and weight loss.”
“…When you put your hand in boiling water, you feel that it is hot and know that it’s not good for your hand. Reducing calories or exercising fanatically; however, is different. When you suddenly exercise more and eat less, you lose weight. It seems simple. I just have to eat less and exercise more! The reason this happens is because your intake and exertion are not aligned with your metabolism. But the body works as hard as it can to align the metabolism with your intake and exertion, meanwhile decreasing energy levels and increasing appetite. It’s the body’s way of saying, ?Hey stupid, what are you doing? You are f?n killing me! Because this is how metabolism works, some people eat like horses and can’t gain weight and others eat very little and can’t lose weight. In almost all cases, it is not genetic, it is metabolic. And metabolism, when it comes to weight management, is everything.” (energy in/energy out equilibrium can be achieved at virtually any level of caloric intake).
“…This is why what I recommend for weight management (eat more, don’t exercise to exhaustion) is so counterintuitive for so many people, because they’ve experienced gaining weight when eating a lot and not exercising (and yes a diet of Coke, Cheese Nips, and Doughnuts, has a lot to do with it and please don’t eat more of these), and losing weight when exercising and eating very little. This feedback is just plain misunderstood, and many people, even though they may maintain a healthy bodyweight for most of their lives, go to war with their bodies every day to achieve that. That is ?force,? and it is harmful and totally unnecessary. Plus, it’s a just plain sucky way to live your life, and you miss out completely on the beauty of communion with food.”
Again, I thought this to be pertinent to the latest discussion. Once again, the goal is to be able to look and feel normal eating normal amounts of normal food. If you depend on restriction in any shape, form, or fashion to maintain a healthy weight, then you “have a damaged metabolism and need to heal.” People these days are all too quick to create villians out of foods and food groups – and when it comes to real, unadulterated foods – their friend or foe status is entirely dependent on your health status, not theirs.
In other news, I read an article posted today about how obese nations, through their increased caloric intake, are supplying massive amounts of greenhouse gases to the atmosphere via methane. To that I say, “obese nations don’t eat more food than nations of thin people.” Just look at office workers in China vs. office workers in the United States that were posed against one another in T. Colin Campbell’s, The China Study. Thin, sedentary Chinese office workers were found to be eating significantly more calories than fat, sedentary Americans. Instead, look more closely at what the United States is the leading consumer of… High fructose corn syrup, crystalline fructose, vegetable oil, artificial sweeteners, diet food products, and caffeine – sucking up to 25% of the global supply. If anything, the U.S. is the dieting capital of the world, laced with rebound hyperphagia on refined carbohydrates, packaged food, lots of fat, and excessive protein while in a metabolically impaired state.
Yep, that pushed the U.S. to a 67% overweight rate. But you ain’t seen nuthin’ yet. The obesity epidemic is accelerating, not peaking.
On the bright side, that’s certainly one way to fix overpopulation
I think eating a big lunch might be more conducive to health than big breakfasts. Many European and South American nations eat long lunches and relax afterwards. I don't think that skipping breakfast will cause Type II diabetes. It is associated with that, because of how Americans eat: like sucking on Big Gulps while they sit on their ass at work. (see Jimmy Moore's before pictures. He stopped eating sugar soda and moved to diet sodas, arguably a step backwards in health.) Provided that you eat big when you do eat, I think you could skip breakfast and remain healthy. And of course, you should be eating good food most of the time, not potato chips, doughnuts, french fries, cookies, cakes, pies, sodas, ice cream, etc.
Clearly, the calorie concept is shit. If a woman like Natsuko Sone can eat 5,000+ Calories a day and maintain a <17 BMI, I think something's wrong in Calorie-land. And she claims to her digestion is good. She's not purging or having diarrhea. It is possible to achieve an equilibrium of calories-in and calories-out, even given massive intake (5,000-10,000 Calories a day) and no exercise. Anyone who can not do that is simply damaged. The solution is to probably to eat massive amounts of food in one sitting – high calories and high fat, high carb, high volume, and a high weight of food. Emphasizing protein too heavily is counter-productive, since excess protein degrades metabolism.
People are so myopic. They act like only two choices exist – low fat or low carb, with SAD as the fall back. But there's a fourth path, eating natural fats & carbs in a complementary balance, along with a reasonable amount of protein. Not pounds of meat a day, like Charles Washington & Aajonus, who are the poster children for metabolic ruin. Low-carbers blame all of their problems on eating low-fat diets, but they probably weren't eating natural foods. They were eating fat-free cookies and sugar-laden crap. Plus, they ignore the possibility that the problem was the lack of fat (or eating crappy fats like soybean oil and margarine), and not the fact that they were eating carbs. People never bother to isolate those variables. They just mindlessly blame all of their problems on macro-nutrients.
“The other way is through force ? exercising extremely hard and eating so little that the body cannot slow down its metabolism enough to keep body weight from dropping.”
Otherwise known as the “Biggest Loser” approach or what most body-builders and fitness models do to keep their weight down. They starve with egg whites, skim milk, skinless chicken breasts, salad, rice, baked potatoes, and oatmeal. Zero fat. On top of that abuse they burn one or two thousand calories on a treadmill and then lift weights for an hour every day with little or no rest.
“One of these routes is fully sustainable and keeps the physical/mental/emotional body balanced, strong, resistant to both chronic and infectious disease, etc. The other route is a one-way ticket to bone and hair loss, physical injury, a compromised immune system and the fun that comes along with it, erratic moods, and a damaged metabolism resulting in the eventual inability to eat normal amounts of food without blowing up like a balloon…”
Most body-builders gain weight quick if they don’t exercise. because they starve themselves and ruin their metabolism. I used to read Clarence Bass’s website and in one or his articles he mentioned that he gained weight rapidly wen he took off a few weeks from exercise. This is why I don’t believe most body-builders have a fast metabolism. They haven a pitifully slow metabolism, caused by over-training and starvation dieting. But because they train so hard, they are lean and ripped. Put anyone on a high-intensity exercise program (P90X, CrossFit, or Evolutionary Fitness), and they will lose fat weight and pack on muscile. But if they ease up on the exercise they will get fat again rapidly, because their metabolism is now slower than ever thanks to the abuse. It is totally unsustainable for most people and will eventually take a toll on those foolish enough to perservere in it. Art DeVany is addicted to coffee, and he has bags under his eyes and severe wrinkles. Most of the people on his blog complain about hair loss from following his silly “paleo” diet and exercise routine.
I mostly agree with this.I have to say though,that the whole concept of eating a huge breakfast and eating 3 meals a day,all huge meals,as a inflexible rule that if you break your likely to be unhealthy seems odd to me.Personally,I usually only eat one meal a day (this is,however,one MASSIVE meal) and I feel excellent doing this.I do not like having to take frequent breaks throughout the day just to eat.I do enjoy eating,but I just have lots of other things I like to do during the day and don’t like being tied to 3 set meals a day,all of them large.I also feel somewhat tired for about 30-40 minutes after a meal,like I just wanna relax (not sleep though).This only happens if I eat as much as I want.It does not happen if I limit what I eat,but I hate having to do that once i’ve already started eating.Maybe I am not healthy.I also think it is silly to stuff yourself even when you are not hungry.Maybe for people with extreme metabolic damage that might be nescessary for a very short time,but personally I just don’t feel hungry at all during the day,until it comes time for my one big meal.I would feel very uncomfortable stuffing myself during the day.And before anyone says this is because I am not very active,that is not true.I can go all day sawing hardwood with a rusty saw (8-10 hours) and not be bogged down with hungry (although I do feel slightly hungry a few times during the day if I am REALLY working hard,but not really like eating).I just think your overemphasizing the whole stuff yourself and eat like a madman thing here,thats all.I just like to eat when i’m hungry,as much as I want and leave it at that.I’d prefer to listen to my body rather than stuff myself all day.
Thanks for the comments Jacob, you’re right.
Stuffing yourself is a temporary thing. Some research suggests that metabolism can be increased, cortisol lowered, and insulin and leptin resistance decreased via force-feeding – or eating MORE than your appetite suggests.
Considering that these are the greatest epidemics of our time, associated with at the very least and directly responsible for at the most – almost every degenerative disease known, this is but one tool.
What is being overstated in this post is a direct counterbalancing assault against the mainstream dogma on how to keep from being obese, having better glucose function, prevent diabetes and heart attack, etc. Their recommendations are starvation every time, paired with exercise (heightened starvation).
But if you are a healthy person, there’s no need to do this or adopt any kind of health-promoting strategy. Just live your life, be healthy, and don’t do anything too irrational with your diet and lifestyle.
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Hi Jacob,
I too used to eat one big meal a day via the Warrior Diet and Intermittent Fasting. I did this for the better part of 5 years. I did this during the time that I was in graduate school. My bodyfat kept going lower, I was eating my one big drawn out meal every day and then once I got to about 10% bodyfat, my bodyfat starting creeping upward. I wasn’t hungry at all during the day anymore. I had an intolerance to the cold, I was getting fatter even though I was eating 1500 calories a day and working out. I started reading up on everything I could and I found out that I had trashed my adrenals and thyroid (confirmed by my chiropractor). I can’t say that this will happen to you but your anecdote of working hard all day and not being hungry just sent a chill down my spine. I hope it doesn’t happen to you. Good luck.
Will
I'd really like to believe this is true but am scared to try…
I'm a formerly obese girl who lost 120 lbs since 2007 through paleo/low carb + calorie counting + marathon running/overcardio. I've experimented with VLC, ZC, keeping to 2000 cal/day or less, eating 3000+ cals of meat & fat per day, and have still battled near-incessant hunger and struggled to maintain weight for the better part of the past year.
I dropped all the running and have gained back about 10-15lbs from my prior low and am scared to gain more, but I'm so tired of being hungry all the time and don't know what my appetite is telling me anymore. Most of my nutritional reading has pointed to grains/legumes/starches as the culprits of obesity, and I have a family history of diabetes (why I went on the diet to begin with), so I really feel uncertain about adding potatoes, breads, rice etc back to my diet.
What's the best way to ease into this 'diet'? Are there any restrictions? How do you tell if it's working? How long might one expect to see weight gain before the weight would start dropping agian?
What's a typical day look like calorie-wise?
-Sarah
“Stuffing yourself is a temporary thing. Some research suggests that metabolism can be increased, cortisol lowered, and insulin and leptin resistance decreased via force-feeding – or eating MORE than your appetite suggests.”
I think occasional feasts or cheat meals with lots of calories are like “interval training” for your metabolism and it can help prevent weight loss plateaus and/or weight gain. Here’s an interesting post talking about how dieting increases your stomach area, obese people digest foods more quickly than lean people because of dietary efforts and food denial.
Unabsorbed Calories
All of this fits in with my theory that eating lots of food is the secret to a lean & healthy body with good digestion. Competitive eaters digest food in their stomach 3x longer than normal people. In addition, their stomach can expand to a massive degree, easily holding 15-20 lbs of food or more where normal people can only hold 2 pounds (1 quart / liter) of food. According tot his study, the eater was not born with this capacity. It was developed through years of training. But once it is developed, the effects would probably be permanent. And they would be consistent with what Troy (Half Navajo) and I – and others – have experienced. Namely, vastly improved digestion with no bloating, improved elimination, much better energy, ability to eat the most complex meals (10-12 different foods) with perfect digestion and elimination, etc. Dieting degrades health. Eating as much as you want and occasionally more than you want is the best way to lose and maintain a healthy weight. Dieting sucks. It should be outlawed.
Competitive Speed Eating: Truth and Consequences
"But if you are a healthy person, there's no need to do this or adopt any kind of health-promoting strategy. Just live your life, be healthy, and don't do anything too irrational with your diet and lifestyle."
How do people know if they're healthy? I think they should be able to digest huge and complex meals effortlessly with zero bloating or diarrhea or vomiting. That's what Troy and I have achieved by eating HED. For lunch yesterday, I ate a quart of whole milk, a quart of organic apple cider (NFC), an Alvarado sprouted whole wheat bagel, an ounce of butter on the bagel, and four eggs fried in coconut oil. Probably 1800 Calories. (I did not eat breakfast, so I ate bigger than I'd normally do.) I had perfect digestion & energy, no bloating, and I went to the bathroom normally a few hours later.
If you skip meals, do it because you're busy, not in an attempt to lose weight, or cut calories. Such a strategy has an extremely high risk of back-firing even if it seems to be working now. Just ask Will. He has been a member of my "High Everything Diet" list back when it was known by another another name. When you skip meals, you should make up for that skipped meal by eating twice as much at the next meal. If you skip 2 meals, eat times as much. you should eat thrice as much, so that it balances out. Limiting calories or macro-nutrients is metabolic suicide. Don't try to restrict calories or macro nutrients. Eat all you want and sometimes more than you want to keep the metabolism in high gear. Dieting is for the birds. It should be outlawed.
Sarah, here are the rules I wrote based on Matt’s ideas, Diana Schwarzbein, Tim Ferriss, and a few others. It sounds to me like you have messed up your body on these low-carb diets. I’ve come to feel that “Healthy People Don’t Diet” – they eat all they want and occasionally more than they want, but they eat nutritious foods mainly – not sugar, PUFA oils, or trans fats, in particular. I would also avoid bleached and/or enriched flour as much as possible. Choose sprouted bread or sourdough with few ingredients.
10 Rules of High-Everything-Diet (HED)
1. Eat all the fat you want, especially saturated fats like coconut oil, butter, cream, whole milk, half-and-half, cheese, beef, and lamb. The other good fats to use are mac nut oil, pork leaf, olive oil in small amounts, and maybe occasional avocados. PUFAs are best avoided, like commercial mayonnaise, salad dressings, chicken fat, turkey fat, etc. Use normal pork, lard, duck, and goose fat in moderation. You may have fish occasionally, but don’t eat only fatty fish like salmon, sardines, or tuna. Eat lean fish, as well: like cod, haddock, pollock, etc. The HED is about trying new things, experimenting, not getting into a boring routine. If you can’t digest fat well, eat less for a while and build up.
2. Eat all the starch you want: sprouted bread, unbleached unenriched bagels, organic white rice or brown rice, corn tortillas treated with lime, potatoes, beans, lentils, or peas. Don’t have any fear of starches, refined or unrefined. They can help the body to heal. Do not believe anyone who says starches are fattening. That’s only true for people who are unhealthy. Starches are not fattening for healthy people and they can help you to get healthy faster than anything (esp with saturated fats). Try to avoid any bread or starch with the wrong kind of oils (like corn, soybean, canola, sunflower, cottonseed, or fully or partially hydrogenated oil). Eat all the vegetables you like, boiled in water or steamed preferably. Raw vegetables can be hard on digestion. Some may benefit from raw or cooked vegetable juices, vegetable broths, etc.
3. Eat a satisfying amount of protein, animal or vegetable. Avoid soy protein and vegan diets. Preferably do not eat vegetarian, either. Aim for 10-40g of protein per meal. Limit or avoid highly processed and nitrate-cured meats. Try to use fresh meats. Don’t eat protein powders, protein shakes, or protein bars. They are rubbish. Protein should not be emphasized too much, like the so-called high-protein diets. Excess protein is bad for your metabolism. Aim for 10-20% protein, more or less. Carbs and fats help to spare protein. Eat at least 2x more carbs than protein.
4. Eat natural sugars cautiously, like fruit, 100% fruit juice (preferably Not From Concentrate or Fresh), maple syrup, or honey (preferably “unheated” honey). Eat starches before trying sugars. Avoid sugars if they cause hypo-glycemia (low energy) or food cravings. In time, maybe you’ll heal enough to be able to eat fat and protein with natural sugars.
5. Eliminate white sugar, high fructose corn syrup, and other refined sweeteners from your daily diet. Preferably avoid all food with high fructose corn syrup (HFCS) – many foods in the USA. A small amount of sugar in breads maybe OK, but don’t eat any food high in refined sugar (like more than 10% of its calories, or with sugar in the first few ingredients). Beware that HFCS is lurking in many foods. The less of that garbage you eat, the better.
6. Focus your attention on eating. That means don’t watch TV or read or work or drive or engage in heated conversations while eating. This includes internet use. Don’t eat while you are distracted or stressed. The more you can relax while eating and focus on digestion, the faster you will probably heal. Eating unconsciously will perhaps sabotage your efforts. Don’t worry about food, no matter what you’re eating. Just do your best and have confidence and patience. Don’t count calories or limit them. Try to eat 3+ meals with a mix of natural fat, carbs, and protein. Don’t worry about your macro-nutrient ratios. Only unhealthy people do that.
7. Once or twice a week, increase your calories by eating more sugars like fruit, fruit juice, unheated honey, or maple syrup. Or have a feast where you eat more than your appetite. Doing this can reverse insulin resistance and help minimize weight loss plateaus or weight gain. After a while, you can try having rich desserts occasionally, like cheese cake, tiramisu, high-cream ice cream, sweet chocolate, cream pies, macaroons, or pancakes with butter and maple syrup. High fat is better, so look for ice cream with cream as the first ingredient preferably. Don’t eat anything that makes you feel bad or causes cravings. The goal is calm, stable energy with the freedom and flexibility to eat a variety of healthy food and perhaps occasional junk. If you can’t eat junk foods once or twice a week without cravings, do not eat them at all. Maybe with time you’ll be able to tolerate them.
8. Eliminate coffee, tea, chocolates, and stimulants from your regular daily diet. You can have these once or twice a week, but not regularly. Also, don’t eat ANY artificial sweeteners, or diet sodas EVER. All they do is make you hungry and fat, messing up your body’s ability to respond to foods naturally. After you have done some healing, maybe you can add coffee or tea again, but always eat them in meals with other foods, or add some milk and cream to them. Stop eating them if you are craving them or if you notice any stimulant effects.
9. Don’t worry if you gain weight. Like Diana Schwarzbein says, “You have to get healthy to lose weight – not the other way around.” The healthy person can lose weight on the HED, if they need to lose weight. The unhealthy person might gain weight temporarily if they need to gain weight. Stop dieting and allow yourself to heal. Another quote from Schwarzbein: “If eating well (high-everything) makes you gain weight, then you have a damaged metabolism.” Eating HED is the best way to fix a damaged metabolism, so don’t let anything (or anyone) discourage you. You may get worse before you get better, so be patient. You didn’t mess up your body in a day and you may not be able to heal it overnight. Exercise if you feel like it, not in an attempt to burn off calories. Make it fun and spontaneous, like playing and short intense bursts. Lift weights to build muscle and strength, but give yourself several days to recover between work-outs. Just walking can help a lot to improve your health. Start slowly and work up.
10. After you have eaten HED for a few months, begin to challenge your perceived limits by eating more starches, fiber, or fats. Start with small amounts and try to work up gradually. A properly functioning metabolism can quickly digest fiber and starch without gas, bloating, or other problems. Most people don’t have such a strong metabolism, so they should initially limit fiber, esp whole grains, raw vegetables, fruit peels and seeds, beans, or nuts.
It’s true Will, there are times and situations in which a person feels and looks healthy but is headed in the right direction. There’s no doubt that working all day on adrenaline can be metabolic suicide if there are any glitches in that program – such as unhealthy foods, imbalances to begin with, etc. There’s no doubt that hard physical labor paired with low-calorie dieting is bound to eventually invoke a response – and that response is a lowered metabolic rate.
Sarah,
Since you haven’t eaten hardly a single carb in a long time, the first thing I would do to readjust and improve your glucse metabolism – which is likely to be horrendous, is to eat an extremely high-carbohydrate diet. Start huge in natural carbs and then gradually try to work in more fats until you are high-fat/high-carb, and conclude the process by starting to incorporate more animal protein. That would be the step-by-step that I would try, knowing that it’s virtually impossible to gain weight on a diet that is 80-90% natural carbohydrate.
Start with something like juice-fasting, but drink as much as you possibly can throughout the day. Saturate your body with glucose and glycogen. Just pound it. A solid week of this would be a good jumpstart.
Then begin eating root vegetables, cooked non-starchy vegetables, whole grain porridges (like oatmeal), fresh corn, and fruit with your juices. A little white rice is probably fine, but continue to keep added fats to a minimum for the time being.
Whatever you do, obey your appetite. If you overeat, your hunger will decrease while your metabolism increases. You can’t lose, unless of course you are habitually pounding sugar, alcohol, caffeine, and fast food fries. In that case, I can’t make any promises. Keep everything clean, with only an occasional junk food, and you will start to reverse the metabolic conditions that led you to becoming overweight in the first place (instead of running from it, i.e. – eating no carb)
Keep us all posted. We’d love to get the “skinny” on your self-experimentation!
Sorry Will, make that heading in the WRONG direction (in reference to the above comment)
Will: “My bodyfat kept going lower, I was eating my one big drawn out meal every day and then once I got to about 10% bodyfat, my bodyfat starting creeping upward. I wasn’t hungry at all during the day anymore. I had an intolerance to the cold, I was getting fatter even though I was eating 1500 calories a day and working out.”
You should also mention that you weren’t deliberately restricting calories to the 1,500 level. As you said, the starvation was ad libitum. Your appetite went down, along with your metabolism, and ended up in the toilet thanks to IF. That is what can happen when people approach IF as a crash diet to lose weight. You needed to increase your food intake to compensate for the fasts. And even then, it may not have worked if you ate junk food all the time (more than once or twice per week).
I’d say that IF should only be done when you are healthy (if you fit the “adrenal type” described in Matt’s blog post “The Hamburglar’s Metabolism”, then maybe you can adapt to IF. But an important caveat is that you must increase your intake of food in proportion to how often you skip meals. If you skip one meal, eat DOUBLE at the next meal. If you skip two meals, eat TRIPLE at the next meal. And even if you do that, it might be good to have a small amount of food regularly, and just focus more calories around lunch/dinner.
The Hamburglar’s Metabolism
“Stuffing yourself is a temporary thing. Some research suggests that metabolism can be increased, cortisol lowered, and insulin and leptin resistance decreased via force-feeding – or eating MORE than your appetite suggests.”
Matt, can you remember where you read of these studies? I don’t know what search terms to use, but this supports what I’ve said that periodic over-eating is like “high intensity ?nterval training” (HIIT) for the metabolism. Studies have shown that HIIT can reverse insulin resistance and metabolic syhndrome with no change in diet. Of course, I believe the metabolic exercise concept (HED, in other words) is more powerful and safer than telling obese people to do sprints to cut their insulin resistance. Simply by eating all you want and occasionally more than you want, I think that we can achieve equal or better results.
“Despite having similar effects on body weight and BP, the aerobic interval training group showed more improvement in insulin sensitivity, aerobic capacity and HDL levels. Along with higher insulin sensitivity, participants from the aerobic interval training group had lower blood glucose levels than participants from the continuous moderate exercise or control groups.”
Interval training may be best type of exercise to affect metabolic syndrome
I followed the High Everything Diet since Bruce came up with it. It caused me to get skin cancer and now I have to get treatment for melanoma. Thanks a lot Bruce.
I’m going back to low carb asap and I can tell you that my older brother followed exactly the guidelines of HED his entire life (he always ate very clean, no preservatives, only certified organic, no soda, no pufas) and he ate tons of saturated fats together with starches. You know like butter and potatoes with little protein on the side (he didn’t eat much meat but he ate lots of fats from butter and coconut oil). maybe it was because he ate pasteurized butter and cream so often with the starches, maybe raw would have made a difference but I doubt it. He had his first heart attack last year. Fats with starches is suicide. I repeat, fat together with starches is suicide. Either go low carb or go low fat. Don’t go high or low on both. Oh and even if you go low carb, don’t let those carbs be starches, let them come from fruits/veggies.
Matt your idea about going from very low carb to juicing on fruit is very dangerous and potentially deadly. The pancreas usually shuts down activity after long time on very low carb and if you introduce that much sugar so fast you are begging for a hyperglycemic reaction and come/death
Very believable. Not. Perhaps there were some other variables in your alleged bad experience and your brother’s.
Low-carb and low-fat diets are metabolic suicide. Matt’s point is that you reduce protein by going from very low carb to a juice diet. Low protein reduces insulin. You’re ignorant not to know that. Also a low-protein diet does not cause any loss of muscle IF it’s high in fat, calories, and carbs – all of which spare protein a lot more efficiently than low-carb diets (just look at Charles Washington, he has the physique of a skeleton).
Also, many vegetables contain toxins and so do fruits (esp the berries pushed on all the stupid low-carb forums and books). No primitive tribe ate lots of berries & salad vegetables. They ate starches with animal fat, more often. Perhaps you need to do some more research, Anonymous. If primitives did eat fruit, they ate things like bananas far more often than berries. Why? It's the Calories, Stupid. Berries are what stupid low-carb morons eat, because the great Dr. Fatkins said that berries are the best form of fruit. And he had the crappy metabolism to prove it. Look at Troy (Half Navajo), look at Matt, then look at Atkins and Eades and decide who you would rather look like. The fat tub of lard starving himself with low-carb, or the robust, healthy men, eating high everything like primitive tribes. Eades and Atkins and Cordain are a joke. They are over-fat and under-muscled.
Vegetables, etc.Who Defines Food?
Here are some pictures of Dr. Michael R. Eades and Loren Cordain on the beach. It is safe to say their body fat’s twice as high as Matt’s and Troy’s, and they look far from healthy or robust. Atkins was a poor role model, as well. Look at Bear’s photos too. Somebody posted a real great one showing how pathetic he looks. Keep in mind that Bear had throat cancer and heart attack on his zero-carb diet, and he blamed the heart attack on being fed broccoli as a child. LOL.
Eades/Cordain Tahoe picnic
Owsley “The Bear” Stanley – on left
Starch and saturated fat is only suicide if combined with a lot of refined sugar, vegetable oils, excessive protein, and a lot of other lifestyle errors (caffeine, binge drinking, cigarettes, drugs, sleep deprivation, stress, unconscious eating, staying indoors, and other things).
Sorry for the repeats, but Blogger keeps messing up the links. They used to work. Now, you have to put < br > after links (without spaces) or they blend together with all the rest of the text. Annoying.
7 years late on the comment, but since you’re linking to my photo without permission, I figure I should weigh in, if only to tell you you’re at the least uninformed, and something of a jackass. Bear had a virally induced squamous cell carcinoma of the tonsil that was massively overtreated with 6 weeks of daily radiation treatment as well as chemotherapy. This picture was taken shortly after that. I’d like to see how you’d look after a similar experience. The tumor grew unusually slowly precisely because it was starved of fuel because of Bear’s diet -many tumors being glucose avid, the ketogenic diet is ideal to slow them down. And while he did have a bypass, he never had a heart attack or blamed such on broccoli, that’s utter rubbish promulgated by an oft-referenced and poorly fact-checked article. The coronary arterial blockages were ancient, as evidenced by the enormous amount of collateral vasculature that were growing around them. It is entirely plausible that the initial damage that led to the sclerotic arterial lesions was caused by insulin during the period of his life when he ate a very carbohydrate laden diet, before he discovered The Fat of the Land in his late 20s. As his son, I was raised on the low carb diet and have adhered to it most of my life; I have no heart issues and have always been very healthy and fit.
Bruce how long until you can make the switch?
I’m on high protein high fat low carb right now. Do I have to fast a couple of days to introduce high carbs high fat low protein or can I just, at my next meal, eat high starch and fat with very litle protein?
You could jump right in and just listen to your instincts and cravings for what foods to eat (within the limits of HED). When Matt came off the zero-carb (FUMP) diet, he went straight to eating orange juice, carrot juice, white rice and not much fat. Like a tablespoon a day, if I recall. He went from zero-carb to zero fat and continued to lose weight. Maybe that would be a good transition. I can not say for sure. I suggest reading his posts from the time he quit zero-carbs.
FUMP Day 30
FUMPclusions
Bruce,
Much of the research on the lowering of cortisol, leptin resistance, and insulin resistance on force-feeding comes from the research of Per Marin and Russell Farris, co-authors of the Potbelly Syndrome.
I’ll unearth it someday – in terms of the particular study that they cite, but you might be able to either read the book yourself or get more precise info. at their website http://www.potbellysyndrome.com
Force-feeding is discussed on page 94 of Potbelly Syndrome
Yes, Bruce was right. I gorged on carbohydrates upon the conclusion of my FUMP experiement to try to regain normalcy as quickly as possible. I felt like my old self in a matter of days, which was good because mentally I was in bad shape by day 30 of zero carb – spent half my day fantasizing about killing people with my bare hands.
Is jumping from one to the other dangerous? There is risk in everything, but I don’ know there to be any greater risk in doing that than anything else. Plus, I was craving the feelings that I knew carb binging would give me. I can’t argue with instinct, even if it leads me to my death. Dolph Lundgren said it best in Rocky IV…
“If he dies, he dies.”
“I felt like my old self in a matter of days, which was good because mentally I was in bad shape by day 30 of zero carb – spent half my day fantasizing about killing people with my bare hands.”
Could you please elaborate a little on this?
You seem to have said that zeo carb worked in some of the posts for you (except some symptoms such as black circles under eyes).
are you kidding about the killing people part? I think that would be a serious mental disorder which you should get checked… Nobody else I know on Zero carb has that feeling
“are you kidding about the killing people part? I think that would be a serious mental disorder which you should get checked… Nobody else I know on Zero carb has that feeling”
How do you know what’s going on in their heads? Charles has a vicious temper and throws tantrums all the time on his lame forum full of weight obsessed half-wits. I’m sure he has thought of killing many people. He’s malnourished and unhealthy.
I never really got an answer on this one but is pasteurized butter and cream OK? I could eat 1/2 pound of pasteurized butter daily together with rice or potatoes..! I’m really left craving after low carb BS with lots of protein.
So I just need to know if that would be damaging or not? 1/2 pound of pasteurized butter with starches as main meals.
I don’t think pasteurized dairy is really the problem. Dieting is. I’ve talked with lots of people recently who have overcome food intolerances by eating HED. A woman who previously couldn’t eat much fruit or sugar is eating watermelon, apple, bacon, ice cream, sweet potato. amd milk for a meal with great energy and digestion. I’m getting testimonials left and right. This diet will change the world. I believe in it 100%, because it’s not just me saying it. A bunch of people on my list came to the same conclusion on their own almost simultaneously. It was like synchronicity. Nobody is following me. They all found it on their own and appreciated my insights.
BTW, here is the newest version of the HED diet’s rules in full HTML. Help to spread the news that “dieting is dead.” Everything is the new way of eating.
The 10 Rules of the High-Everything-Diet
http://tinyurl.com/dztlcm
FWIW,
I experimented with a ZC diet. For two weeks all I ate was meat, eggs and liver. I can definitely relate to the “wanting to kill people” feeling.
I was BEYOND aggressive.
Will
I have always wondered if I might be thrashing my thyroid,adrenals,and metabolism by doing stressful activities and eating one meal per day.You are right that I can’t nescessarily use my current appetite as guideline for how much I should eat,since it may be lower than it should be if my health is bad.However,you need to keep in mind when I said 1 massive meal per day,I did mean MASSIVE.I am 5’4,18 years old,about 130-135 lbs.I am not a very big guy.In my one meal,I genereally eat about 3,000 calories and sometimes even 4,000 if I am really hungry,which is quite alot for someone my size.I don’t feel uncomfortable at all eating alot of food,just like relaxing for awhile.This is why I generally avoid eating anything beyond maybe a little fruit or a few pieces of white (sourdough) bread during the day (about a 10-12 hour period) if I am doing strenuous activites.Sometimes I don’t even eat the fruit or bread,depending on wheter I feel like it or not.This is also true if I am not working hard at all during the day.I eat only one meal on those days as well,since my appetite doesn’t change a whole lot,wheter I work hard or not.Just that if I work harder,I feel like eating more later at night,but my appetite during the day doesn’t fluctuate much.I don’t do all of this because I think it is superior to say,eating 3 times a day,or because I am following a diet.I simply do it because I feel alot better doing it than eating more frequently.I also do not experience much sensitivity to the cold,as I frequently work in cold weather outdoors (I live in colorado) while wearing only one layer of cotton clothing (which is a very poor insulator compared to wool and other things) and this does not bother me very much,even if it is snowing.I also sleep naked while wearing only 1 small blanket,which is about as thin as a sheet with some holes in it and this also does not bother me,even if the weather is fairly cold (I sleep in a basement where the temperature is usually around 50-60 degrees depending on how cold it is outside).I am a very lean person while eating like this.Is it possible to self-diagnose yourself as having a adrenal or thyroid problemI am not too fond of going to doctors,dentists,chiropractors,etc.Is there anyway I could test this myself?
Matt
Thanks for the response.The point I was making and what I was wondering about was,is the whole 3 meal or more a day thing really the only path towards metabolic enhancement and good health?So long as you eat enough,is there really any specific reason to eat more than 1 meal a day?And additionally,I enjoy doing stressful things.It gives me a rush and it is a enjoyable lifestyle for me to push my self to the limit.Is it possible for someone who is healthy and has a good metbolism to live such a lifestyle without the severe health consequences?
i wanted to bad things too when i was low carbing… almost zero carbing sometimes… boy am i glad i put the bun back with the burger!
troy
Low-carb’s a miserable way of eating, as are all diets. Here’s a comment I posted to Stephan’s blog, which hasn’t yet been approved. Apparently he turned on comment moderation. I think you should eliminate Anonymous comments, Matt. They really got troublesome in the Hamburglar thread and more mischief may come when this catches on. Anyway, here’s what I told Stephan.
Stephan: [re: HED] “There’s definitely some truth in there, but overall I find it tiresome.”
Stephan, the dogma of avoiding foods is tiresome. I’ve heard more people benefit rapidly and dramatically eating the HED (high-everything) than ever before in my life on many extreme diets that limited foods (Primal Diet, paleo, low-carb, and Weston Price type diets). People with a lot of chemical sensitivities eliminated them within a month. People who couldn’t tolerate fruit or milk or other food are now eating them every meal without any reaction, improved digestion, and better energy. In a year or two, I think there won’t be anybody with a clue who avoids foods or limits macro-nutrients, i.e. a person following a “diet.” You won’t be able to sell a book pushing elimination of food or restriction of food. The key is the metabolic exercise concept. That people are sick and unhealthy because of a weak or damaged metabolism, not due to eating carbohydrates or grains or starches or fats or calories in excess.
Dieting is dead. High-Everything is the new way of eating. Healthy people don’t diet. They eat everything.
High-Everything-Diet ? Healthy People Don’t Diet.
I also gave links to the newest version of the rules. This one includes links at the bottom to the HED group and the two recent articles by Matt Stone which talk about the HED concept and the “metabolic exercise” theory behind it.
The 10 Rules of the High-Everything-Diet
180 Degree Health… Bloggie-Style: The Hamburglar’s Metabolism
180 Degree Health… Bloggie-Style: Plower vs. Force Revisited
BTW, here is the blog post by Stephan in which someone quotes HED rules and he says “There’s definitely some truth in there, but overall I find it tiresome.” (see the end of his comment, which I have linked to directly.
Whole Health Source: Skin Texture, Cancer and Dietary Fat
Bruce:
Stephan: [re: HED] “There’s definitely some truth in there, but overall I find it tiresome.”I should clarify that Stephan was talking about the discussion of HED on 180 Health, not the diet itself. He thought there was some truth in the discussion. Someone named Sverlyn gave the HED’s 10 rules (a very old version with less refinement) and asked what he thought. He gave a vague answer, IMO.
Sverlyn’s Question:
I wonder if you’ve read at all about Bruce K’s ” high everything ” diet and have an opinion.
Stephan’s Response (last paragraph):
Sverlyn,
I noticed the hubbub over the “high-everything” diet. There’s definitely some truth in there, but overall I find it tiresome.
Anonymous w/ skin cancer: Bruce first posted this HED stuff about a month ago. You got skin cancer suddenly in the last 30 days? And you can directly correspond a diet that you have followed for 30 days or less with getting skin cancer? I'm not trying to defend his diet because it is realtively new and he is working the bugs out of it, but how can you say that the way that you ate for <30 days was a direct cause of skin cancer? Even if you got a sunburn that dried out and caused bleeding (I'm very fair skinned and I have bled from bad sunburns) I don't think that you would contract skin cancer within 30 days of it. That statement is just bizarre.
Hi Jacob,
For my thyroid, I used the basal body temperature test (BBT), where I took my morning temperature before getting out of bed in the morning for 10 minutes. You are supposed to do this for 10 days. I did it for 3 months. If your temperature is just low, it’s your thyroid. If it jumps around a lot, that’s you adrenals. If it’s mostly low and jumps around alot it’s both. Also, if you look in a mirror in a dark room and shine a light in the side of your eye, your pulil should constrict and stay constricted. If after 20 seconds or so, it opens up or opens and closes (pulsates) that is from weak adrenals. Or alternatively, have your blood pressure taken while lying down and then again immediately after standing up. Your blood pressure should go up when you stand up. If it stays the same or goes down, your adrenals are weak (mine went down 5 points). My chiro did the BP test and some additional muscle testing.
One last thing, when I first started IF, I was eating a TON. I had wine with dinner every night and ate a HUGE bowl of ice cream for dessert every night. I never added up my calories but I’m thinking that wine and ice cream was probably over 1000 calories right there, LOL! I ate ALOT at first and then I lost my appetite gradually over time. I never restricted calories…just lost my appetite.
I hope this helps.
Will
Please don’t feed the trolls, Will. It’s obvious that guy is a lunatic. His claim about following the diet is dubious, and claiming his brother followed it “to the letter” and had a heart attack last year makes his story even more suspect. He is obviously not even familiar with how the diet works, because you’re allowed to go off the diet and eat junk food and other things occasionally. It’s not reallly a diet in the conventional sense. It’s the anti-diet or non-diet, which preaches a totally non-restrictive diet where there are no forbidden foods or macro-nutrient ratios or anything. It’s open and you’re expected to change and evolve with it as you heal.
A lot of the people who have posted to my group and contacted me off list say that they do better with natural sugars and starches, not just the starches. It may be better, because it allows them to eat more and improve their metabolism a lot faster. So far, two women have given testimonies after a month. They gained 7-10 pounds and stabilized and I believe they will soon start losing. Weight gain is minimized because of the high-calorie “feast days” where you aim to eat ABOVE appetite (preferably FAR above it, like 5,000-6,000 Calories or more. These days put your metabolism in high gear, lower insulin and leptin lresistance, and help lower cortisol levels, according to what Matt has found in the Potbelly Syndrome book. To put it in layman’s terms, feast days or cheat days where you eat massive amounts of food are like “high intensity interval training” (HIIT) for metabolism and they can rapidly change you from a damaged metabolism to a healthy one, in my opinion.
Thanks for defending me, Will, but guys like that are just a waste of time. Let them go back to the zero-carb forums or the low-carb forums or the paleo forums or the raw-food forums and rot in poor health for the rest of their life. That is what they deserve for their ignorant and dismissive posts.
I just wanted to inform everyone that I have posted my experience and some links to Matt’s blog and the HED group on Dr. Michael Eades’s blog. But he has not yet accepted it. He moderates the posts. You can read my comments on the HED group. Anyone can read this. You don’t have to be a member of the group.
I wonder how he will explain away all of the phenomenal results I have seen along with Troy and others. I suspect he will reject the post, but I don’t know. Maybe he is man enough to open his mind. Like Matt said, I used to be the biggest critic of the “high-everything diet”, but that is when you equate such a diet with SAD (high in refined sugar and PUFA oils and trans fats). The HED described by Matt and I is 180 degrees different.
Bruce’s Comment to Michael Eades
I posted on the HyperLipid blopg and it was accepted, under the following page. There is no moderation on Peter’s blog.
Sabbatical
Here’s a link my comment.
http://tinyurl.com/czlezo
Will
Thanks for the info.I’ll give those tests a try and see what happens.Also,assuming I do find a problem with my adrenals and/or thyroid,where should I go from there?What did you do to heal yours?
Bruce
Interesting commentary.I have to say that I have eaten many different diets over the last 1-2 years (before which I was just eating SAD),including the primal diet,vegan,zero carb,low carb,etc.I never spent much time on any of them however,since all turned out to be complete failures for the most part.I can say with 100% assurance that all those diets simply had the effect of making me weaker/food obessive and neurotic.I found the primal diet utterly disgusting to eat (raw beef liver,anyone?) and started to suffer from horrible digestion and stomach uneasiness everytime I ate some of aajonus’ “healing raw food”.I even threw up and had horrible stomach pain for hours once after eating one of his “moisturizing/lubrication” formulas (which he touted in his book as one of the healthiest things you can eat…).I figured that if eating like that the rest of my life was the only way to be healthy,i’d rather just be unhealthy and enjoy my life.I’ve also experienced that heightened sensitivity to smoke/chemicals/certain foods your talking about on some of those diets.This whole high everything concept sounds very interesting.Maybe i’ll have to experiment with it and see what happens.I’d be happy to give a testimonial and post a photo if it works as well as you say it does.
Jacob, I can relate to your experiences with the Primal Diet. Over time, I had occasional stomach cramps, loose stools, vertigo or dizziness while lying down, and extreme fatigue. I told Matt about one time when I was driving and got so tired that I had to stop and take a nap. This was after a full night’s sleep. The other day, as an experiment, I skipped a night of sleep. I wasn’t tired at all the whole day and into the night. My digestion and energy and mood were all good. This diet will not be accepted by the mainstream readily, because it’s so counter-intuitive, but in time it will be the ONLY way of eating accepted. I’m absolutely certain of that. Anyone who ignores this idea or suppresses it will have to answer for their actions in the future. They will eventually pay a big price for their narrow-mindedness, like they will die in poverty and infamy.
If you are not eating “high-everything”, you are not eating right, period. There are no other diets, just various forms of slow suicide through deprivation and starvation and misery.
Jacob,
There is no law that states you have to eat 3 meals per day. It is feasible that you could do great on 1 meal per day. Don’t let us scare you out of it. We’re just giving you a heads up so you know what’s going on if you do start to run into problems. Will’s advice on self-diagnostic glandular tests is outstanding. Thanks Will.
I did fantasize about killing people on zero carb. I got really weird mentally, and started to get emotionally cold. At first zero carb was relieving in many ways. My skin was clear, digestion was good, hunger controlled, bowels flowing, etc. But it got progressively worse. I’m still willing to believe that it can have an application in some circumstances, but only as an absolute last resort – like in cases of epilepsy for example.
I also tried zero carb again, but on the 5th day I stayed up all night fantasizing about killing my girlfriend’s family doctor for giving her immunizations that left her very ill, (thought of burning down his office, and so on).
On my regular diet I’m totally sane, and am bothered by very little. Sure, some things invoke anger, sadness, and typical emotions – like doctors prescribing drugs to my loved ones that are unnecessary, harmful, and that have potentially led to dire health problems – but there’s a big difference between responding with rationality and irrationality and zero carb took me across that line and into new psychological territory. I had no biases against it at the time and wasn’t expecting that at all.
As for pasteurized butter and cream – it’s probably no big deal at all – especially with the butter. Pasteurized cream is okay in theory, but in the U.S. it always contains carageenan, which can be hell on the stomach. So you’re not getting pasteurized cream, but pasteurized cream plus some indigestible vaseline-like substance. Try half and half instead, as Bruce and Troy have come to prefer for that very reason (I think). It is pure with no added gunk.
“Eating too few calories can be the start of a vicious cycle that causes diet distress. When you cut your calories so low that your metabolism slows and you stop losing weight, you probably will become frustrated that your efforts are not paying off. This can lead you to overeat and ultimately gain weight.
“It is so hard to sustain cutting calories and eating too little. What typically happens is that the person will go in the opposite direction; they will just become too hungry and go into a binging mode,”
“In addition to sabotaging your weight-loss efforts, eating too few calories can also harm your health. When your body goes into starvation mode, you are at increased risk for the following:
* Abnormally low blood pressure and slow heart rate
* Heart rhythm abnormalities
* Electrolyte imbalances, especially potassium deficiency
* Gallstones
* Hair loss
* Brittle fingernails
* Loss of menstrual periods in women
* Soft hair growth over entire body
* Dizziness
* Trouble concentrating
* Anemia
* Swelling in your joints
* Brittle bones
* Depression
“Remember that calories are not your enemy. They are a vital part of a healthy and energetic life. ” “Your body needs a certain amount of calories just to sustain proper function, This is why fad diets that force you to cut out too many calories leave you feeling lethargic, shaky, and ready to give up.”
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It is SO FUNNY to see how all people following an extreme diet like zero carbs (charles washington) or other weird raw food diet, eventually say they need “less food” to get through the day. BINGO! They’ve slowed down their metabolism and they don’t even realize it! Hahahahah
that’s why you need to eat 15 pounds of fruit and lots of coconut to be successful on a raw vegan diet. Problem is.. .The body can’t hold that much
Bruce you are a FUCKING genius!
Every experience I’ve had during my life has corresponded to what you have discovered.
I used to be an exercise maniac and exercised A LOT. I rarely ate to fulfill my extremely high calorie requirements (even though I was feeling like I was eating all day long) and I suffered for it! Insomnia, foggy thinking, fatigue…) Then I went on holidays with my girlfriend to an all inclusive hotel where I would eat 3 freaking huge meals per day. And I mean huge. I would mix EVERYTHING. Chicken, beef, rice, pasta, tomatoes, pizza, pasta in one meal — I always ate until I felt like my stomach would rupture… and I would sit in the sun all day at the beach, doing nothing… And guess what, I became RIPPED! Even though I didn’t exercise! It’s like all my body was healing from all the exercise I had done before the holiday (2 hours per day x 4 times per week very heavy). When I came back from that holiday I was so much stronger/ripped in the gym it’s unbelievable.. it happened without training and with the HED..
A lot of bodybuilders experiences jive with mine: that’s why it is now generally recommended to take at least 1 weak break from bodybuilding every 8th week so you don’t reach a plateu. In this 1 week you eat as much as you can.. That’s your JOB!!!
I remember a great, ripped bodybuilder who once said: The difference between the mediocre bodybuilder and the pro is that the mediocre views eating as a privilege while the pro views eating as a JOB!
I love you Bruce thank you for reminding me of what is true and what I have known all a long. KEEP IT VARIED! Don’t eat the same day in day out it’s a metabolic ruiner! Stuff yourself occasionally. This is contrary to EVERYTHING even new stream HEALTH guru New Age healing philosophies.
Even my GRANDMOTHER knew the healing effects of overfeeding. She would always make sure I was stuffed with food when I Was sick. Bread with lots of butter and fresh vegetables and some boiled meats, potatoes, whole cream dairy… and now every GURU recommends FASTING when you are sick… How pathetic is that?
“It is SO FUNNY to see how all people following an extreme diet like zero carbs (charles washington) or other weird raw food diet, eventually say they need “less food” to get through the day. BINGO! They’ve slowed down their metabolism and they don’t even realize it! Hahahahah”
Jan Kwasniewski says the same thing that people will become “more efficient” when they adapt to his diet (low-protein, low carb, and high-fat). I think his diet is just as bad as other diets, because the carbs are restricted AND the protein. It would be much better to eat high-carbs, high-fat, high-calories, and low-protein (0.5-1.0g per kg), because the diet will spare protein by 3 mechanisms (calories, carbs, and fat in abundance). Any time a person says their diet makes folks “more efficient”, you should be wary. Having a less efficient metabolism is better. The body can then choose what it wants and discard effortlessly what it doesn’t need. As a result, food intolerances and allergies and chemical sensitivities may cease to be a problem for someone who is eating HED. They could eat fast food and have no reaction (esp if the sodas, PUFA and trans fat laden fries, mayo, shakes, ketchup, and desserts were avoided).
“that’s why you need to eat 15 pounds of fruit and lots of coconut to be successful on a raw vegan diet. Problem is.. .The body can’t hold that much”
It can if you’re a competitive eater. Joey Chestnut can drink a gallon of milk in 41 seconds. Takeru Kobayashi can eat almost 18 pounds of cow brains in 15 minutes. If you could train the body to routinely eat that much, then you could probably thrive on mostly-vegan (90%), but not 100%, IMO.
Eating is LIFE. Fasting is DEATH.
Everyone on their deathbed with whatever terminal disease has two options: fast and choose to slowly die, or EAT and LIVE! Stuff yourself! It’s a sign that there is LIFE in the BODY when HUNGER presents itself. Without HUNGER there is no LIFE. When people loose their appetite they often need to be FORCEFED to bring it back up!
You know how they say that “depressed people eat less”? Maybe it’s the other way around, maybe it’s because they eat less and therefore they are depressed. It’s a two way street and has always been.
When someone give up on life they usually have no desire to eat. When someone chooses to live they regain their appetite and the doctor and relatives of a supposedly dying patient are always relieved to hear the words “I’m hungry” or “bring me a burger” = it means LIFE is coming BACK to the PERSON!
Why are skinny people always the most neurotic, stressed, unstable, fearful? I don’t understand. IT also seems that skinny people have more wrinkles. Look at actor Jim Carry as he as lost weight considerably lately and looks awful in some of his latest movies. He used to look better when he was a big fuller. People start looking wrinkly and beaten up when they start following guru advice of eating low calorie organic and low fat or extremely low carb.
We should frame this issue in a new way.
Instead of “efficient metabolism”, let’s say your body has “low standards.” When you diet (esp restricting calories, fat, or carbs), the body gets so desperate it will take whatever it can get. In such a state, casual weight gain is easy. There is more risk of various allergies, food intolerances, chemical sensitivities…
Instead of “inefficient metabolism”, let us say your body has “high standards.” Because you provide all the calories and energy it needs in abundance, the body gets rid of what it doesn’t need and it achieves a better balance and harmony of nutrients. In that state, casual weight gain is impossible. You are less likely to develop or maintain allergoes, food intolerances, and other sensitivities.
So, when someone promises an “efficient” metabolism, think “low standards.” When someone promises an “inefficient” one, think “high standards.”
People take fasting too far. Like a friend of mine who had been a raw food vegan for years and had run into all kinds of hormonal problems and deficiencies. Everyone said, “you need to detox” and recommended fasting. Fasting to heal after starving oneself on a raw vegan diet? And you thought I was kind of stupid with my health advice!
Fasting can be healing though. Sure, it’s no picnic for the metabolism, but many people lose all hunger – like Cancer patients for example, and they do so because that’s the body’s natural response to being ill. It heals best without the burden of food temporarily. There’s no doubt about that. I think Henry Bieler was right on with his acknowledgment of the healing power of fasting. Animals have amazing instincts in this regard. They know when to feast, and when to fast.
But most people don’t need more fasting, they need more nourishment, especially those trying to rehabilitate from any kind of restrictive diet – a calorie-restricted diet being the most metabolically-suicidal.
Still, in all fairness, fasting has its time and place, just as stuffing the crap out of your cakehole does. Just as both exercise and rest have vital roles, despite being complete opposites. Or rain and sun, day and night, and so on.
would that be me your refering to mattie?
you can use my name if you want to
Maybe a part of the HED is just that you enjoy life more and are therefore healthier,due to no longer being a neurotic food phobe.Eating is and should be one of the greatest pleasures of life.To me,eating something like the primal diet is similar to burning down the forest to save the trees.Even if you do get alot healthier,your going to feel like crap from having to constantly ingest those disgusting things aajonus calls food.Someone eating SAD but who had an excellent attitude and was high on life would probably be alot happier and have a better life than someone who followed aajonus’ diet to a tee.Thats not to say eat just anything you want,but your diet should be delicious AND healthy.The HED concept sounds like it acheieves both pursuits,the pursuit of good food,along with the pursuit of good health.Something which all the diet gurus are lacking for sure,regardless of how healthy their diets are.
As for this way of eating being accepted by the mainstream at large,that’s alot easier said than done.It would mean the majority of doctors,dentists,surgeons,the pharmaceutical industry,the junk food industry,the people selling diet books and running diet blogs/websites,the diet gurus,food lobbyists and many more would go completely out of buisness.I am sure they would not all go quietly.
I ate 1 pound of sushi and sashimi yesterday! I felt great but I urinated like crazy and was thirsty for 5 hours after
Sushi is fairly low in fat. Did you have white rice with the sushi? Protein might dehydrate you if eaten in excess, that’s one of many reasons Matt and I focus the attention on fat and carbs, not protein. The optimal diet, IMO, is high-fat, high carb, high-calorie, and low-protein (10% of calories or less, 1g per kg or less). As calories go up, protein should reduce or stay constant. High-carb helps spare protein. High-calories spare protein. So you don’t need to worry about protein if you eat plenty of fat and carbs (starch or unrefined “whole food” sugars). A few eggs or a small piece of meat or a tall glass of whole milk or half-and-half has plenty of protein for a meal. Eating big plates full of meat is not the best idea IMO, because most of it doesn’t have 80% fat or more and 20% protein or less. So, it can easily suppress metabolism, which Matt has often pointed out.
Chris: “What does good quality, grass-fed beef vs. factory-farmed, grain-fed beef have to do with the ratio between carbs and protein? You seem to have been on a low-carb, low-calorie version of the WAPF (or something similar), but that is not what they advocate for everyone.”
They shouldn’t advocate a low-carb diet to anybody. Plus, they promote fear and avoidance of so many foods that there’s not much left to eat with caolories. Oh yeah, sauerkraut is a real good calorie source. Sally Fallon and Mary Enig also wrote a weight loss book, which is most likely carb-limited and not HED. Fallon promotes a pathological fear of phytate in grains, even though many groups have eaten those phytates and thrived. There is no reason to fear them if you eat an assortment of other food to counter the negligible effectg of phytates. (If you eat lots of refined sugar or a vegan or low-saturated-fat diet, then phytate is probably harmful in excess.)
Phytic Acid: Friend or Foe?“Man, you must have a completely different digestive system than me. If I wanted to overburden my digestion, the #1 thing I would do is eat a bunch of fast food. Works every time.”
You have a bad digestion, due to a slow metabolism. I can eat cheeseburgers and burritos with no reaction and feel good. My digestion is effortless and Troy has experienced the same by eating HED. (If you eat fried food, that may be what is causing the problem. I wouldn’t eat any fried food, because of the rubbish oils used and the awful taste they impart. I can’t see how anybody stands McDonald’s fries cooked in rancid oils. I guess it is because they cover them with ketchup to hide the awful taste. I wouldn’t eat any fries, unless they were cooked with beef tallow or something like that. And no ketchup to hide their taste. If they don’t taste good by themselves, they’re probably not healthy. Maybe the reason your digestion is weak is from eating a diet suggested by Sally Fallon that was not based on the principles of primitive groups. They ate high-everything and the focus was on eating lots of calories and not foods like sauerkraut and ginger tea and kombucha and stevia and kimchi.
“Need energy fast? How about a big glass of kefir? Or a couple of slices of homemade bread (made with organic flour) with big gobs of butter or cheese? Or a bowl of yogurt with fruit, with maybe some soaked nuts on top? A smoothie with fruit, yogurt, raw milk, raw egg yolks (pasture-raised, of course), and coconut oil? These are all “high-everything” foods, but still very high quality.”
High-quality is over-rated. HED is more important. Health food diets aren’t the be-all and end-all, like Sally Fallon and others believe. You can be healthy eating low-quality foods as long as you avoid ZERO-QUALITY foods, like refined sugar (most of the time) and processed vegetable oils (preferably eliminating those entirely). Not everyone likes or has access or can afford or has time to make the foods you mention. Nor are any of them essential to health.
“I don’t restrict my carb intake in the slightest. And neither you nor Bruce has convinced me that fast food or junk food is required or desirable in order to eat a “high everything” diet.”
Nobody ever said that they were essential. We said that they can be more healthy than a “health food” diet, like Joseph Mercola’s, or the restrictive diet spouted by people like Aajonus and the paleo and low-carb advocates. Like Matt has said over and over again, it’s much easier to eat a cheeseburger than grass-fed steak with a sweet potato. It is easier to eat white rice or rice than whole grains. The WAPF diet is restrictive of carbs and it puts too much emphasis on “high-quality” instead of HED (high-calories, fat, and carbs). Taht is a fatal weakness and it explains the poor health often enjoyed by people in the WAPF, as Matt has observed first hand at their annual meetings and anyone else can observe by reading and looking at their pictures. Sally Fallon has age spots and is overweight, probably thanks to her diet high in cod liver oil. Tom Cowan has a pot belly, based on Matt’s first-hand knowledge. Stephen Byrnes of the WAPF died of a stroke. Mary Enig had cancer. So much for their health. Let’s look for a healthier group to emulate in our diet endeavors, like the people who ate large amounts of calories and never ate things like berries, nuts, salads, and fermented vegetables (AFAIK).
Anonymous,
The reason why you went to the toilet so much after the sushi was possibly to do with the refined sugar that is added to the rice.
That’s how they make the rice stick together and one of the reasons why sushi tastes so yummy. I believe they put quite abit in there. And also a reason I can’t eat it because it gives me a blood sugar crash a few hours after eating it.
Even the stuff they sell in health food stores is loaded with refined sugar.
Pipx
Also, Chris, my understanding – based on reading Matt's posts – is that he could not eat enough of the unrefined starches and lean grass-fed meats and things like that. I have talked with people on WAPF diets, who professed a craving for sugar and alcohol. The cravings went away when they started eating beef suet and tallow with their meals. The fact is that Sally wouldn't be overweight if she was eating HED. She is eating a lot of low calorie "health foods" like sauerkraut & kimchi & ginger tea & kombucha & stevia.
I wouldn't touch those foods and I think I can speak for Matt that he would avoid them, too. People on diets are miserable and neurotic and they die young. Sally's also a big cod liver oil junkie, which may explain the age spots on her body as well as other WAPF members like Geoffrey Morell. Sally used to chug cod liver oil like water, taking several times as much as WAP fed to sick children eating junk food diets at home. I think it's absurd to argue that adults need cod liver oil every day in large amounts, esp if they are not eating a bad diet.
Hi,Pippa-
Do you mean that store-bought and restaurant sushi is loaded with refined sugar? Or do you mean that dry white rice sold in stores is loaded with refined sugar somehow?
Jacob Doty: “Thanks for the info.I’ll give those tests a try and see what happens.Also,assuming I do find a problem with my adrenals and/or thyroid,where should I go from there?What did you do to heal yours?”
Another few things that I just picked up from a Ray Peat interview is that if you have a reflex test done on your Achilles tendon, it should flex and then return to position quickly. People with thyroid problems will have their feet flex quickly but will then return to position slowly. He also said that people with thyroid issues have problems excreting carotinoids (I would have to re-check, I’m going from memory) but that it would collect around the callouses on the palms of the hand. I have had an orange tint on my callouses for a long time, and now I know why.
Back to your question of what I did. First, I believe it all follows Hans Seyle’s Stress Theory and that the stressors are cumulative. I was doing IF, I was working on an MBA (mental stress, lack of sleep), trying to work out at the same time. I had way too many stressors at the same time. I completed my MBA by the time that I found out about my thyroid/adrenals, so I made sure to get more sleep, eat more often, relax more, cut back on the exercise (I now lift weights 3x/week for around an hour each time…I was working out for around 2 hours a day 6x/week at my worst). You have to relieve yourself from as much physical/emotional/mental stress as possible.
Then I started working with a chiropractor that used Standard Process supplements because I had success with using them in the past for other things. I first learned about them through Dr. Bruce West and his Health Alert newsletter. My chiro only had the adrenal stuff in stock, so I started off with that which, looking back, was the best approach. I have read that if you try to fix your thyroid before/at the same tme as your adrenals, it won’t work: fix adrenals first. I started using Drenamin and felt fantastic very shortly after using it. Looking back, I may have been able to get away with just using Brewer’s Yeast, especially since it is a fraction of the cost.
About a month after that I started using Thytrophin and that helped, but what I thought was entirely my thyroid, it looks like my biggest problem was my adrenals because I felt the greatest benefit from the Drenamin. I have been out of Drenamin for over a month now and have just been downing a ton of Brewer’s Yeast for the time being (the Drenamin is finally in and just have to go pick it up) and I feel OK. Drenamin is better but I could live with just the Brewer’s Yeast if I had to.
Sorry for the long winded response. Hope it helps.
Will
Art Ayers has an interesting blog where he discusses the idea that inflammation is the root cause of most diseases of civilization. He has an interesting post on the swine flu here. http://coolinginflammation.blogspot.com/2009/04/inflammatory-protection-from-swine-flu.html
His point is that although inflammation is bad for chronic disease, it is actually a good way to protect against illness. This would suggest there is a tension between freedom from chronic poor health and freedom from infectious disease. Comments?
Harper
I mean premade sushi bought in a japanese restaurant, supermarket or health food store.
Unless your making your own, it’s hard to get without added sugar
Alright pip, thank you for the heads-up!
“His point is that although inflammation is bad for chronic disease, it is actually a good way to protect against illness. This would suggest there is a tension between freedom from chronic poor health and freedom from infectious disease.”
Maybe there is a trade-off between being resistant to chronic disease and highly infectious ones. But the rules are right now changing, as we speak. People on the HED maybe resistant to both types. Maybe the tribes that succumbed to infectious disease were not eating high-everything. Maybe they ate too much fat without much carbs or they ate too much carbs without enough fat. We would need to find some group that was eating the HED way, with high-carbs, high-fat, and high-calories. Were there any people like that who got wiped out by infectious diseases and/or chronic diseases? That’s unknown.
Todd,
Inflammation is a key healing response, but inflammation is a response to damage. Damage is a result of infection, acute and chronic as well as injury.
The argument of Broda Barnes was that infectious and chronic disease were synonymous. It was the introduction of antibiotics that allowed those who would have been killed off by infectious disease to survive into adulthood and develop heart disease. According to thousands of autopsies that he oversaw in Graz, Austria, even infants were showing early signs of heart disease.
Barnes also noted how polio epidemics coincided with reduced heart disease, as the polio wiped out those that were imminently facing death from heart disease – according, once again, to his thousands of autopsy studies in Graz.
Barnes attributed a low thyroid function/low metabolism/low body temperature to the development of infectious disease.
Degenerative disease is best described as cumulative inflammatory damage from long-standing infectious disease. They are one in the same, and when the metabolism is functioning really well – meaning that all glands are working to perform the full job of the endocrine system at maximal efficiency, there is resistance to both.
Metabolism is weakest before it is fully developed (in childhood) and in the elderly who have worn theirs out. That’s why these two groups get ill most frequently, die from infectious disease most easily, and why the degenerative diseases don’t typically appear until the post-reproductive age – as sex hormones during the prime of life play a very key part in the peak function of the endocrine system.
And yes, I was talking about you Piparooski, and you bet your arse there’s a ton of sugar in prepared sushi rice. They typically mix equal parts white sugar and rice wine vinegar to make what is typically referred to as “sushi-su.” Then they pour it over the steamed sushi rice and fan it until it’s room temperature. Expect a full sushi meal to contain at least 1/8th of a cup of white sugar or more.
“The argument of Broda Barnes was that infectious and chronic disease were synonymous. It was the introduction of antibiotics that allowed those who would have been killed off by infectious disease to survive into adulthood and develop heart disease. According to thousands of autopsies that he oversaw in Graz, Austria, even infants were showing early signs of heart disease”
Wonder which group is going to get nailed by this latest Pandemic?
Maybe extreme dieters, untreated hypothyroids?
I wouldn’t want to be running on low meatbolism right now.
I just posted this to Stephan’s blog, but he hasn’t approved it. He seems to moderate comments on old posts. It is also available to read through the HED group, in a richer format.
Skin Texture, Cancer and Dietary Fat
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/High-Everything-Diet/message/13567
Jana:
“As far as I can see, the ‘high-everything’ diet also restricts a lot. Actually only sat fat, starches and calories are not limited. For example, Kwasniewski differs from this diet more or less only by not allowing too many starches (but they are also the preferred carbs in his diet).”
But other diets restrict one or more of those things (carbs, fats, calories). So the HED is unique and it’s not really a diet. It’s ANTI-diet or NON-diet. There is no reason to limit anything, like JK does. The body will heal much faster by eating High-Everything (carbs, fat, and calories), with the exception of refined sugar, HFCS, artificial sweeteners, and junk fats (PUFAs and Trans Fats).
“May I ask, which foods have you been eating on this diet?”
I eat anything and everything with great digestion, energy, focus, and attitude. That’s the whole point of HED – getting to where you can eat everything (gluten, wheat, lactose, casein, potatoes, beans, fiber, fruit, 100% fruit juiice, honey, maple syrup, occasional sugar). You are not dieting by my definition of the word which is to “avoid foods, restrict *ANY* macro-nutrients, or restrict calories.”
I can eat a dozen different foods at the same time and have perfect digestion, no bloating, calm stable energy, no fatigue or indigestion or anything. And I am NOT the only person eating HED who can – the HED has many followers who attained the health I have or discovered they already had it when they gave up dieting. People have improved their health rapidly and dramatically, eliminating allergies and chemical sensitivity, food intolerances, and other problems simply by eating the HED. And you will notice that the final rule of the diet says you should try to overcome the rules. That is what brings you to an entirely new level of health – the level where the rules fade, and you have even more freedom than the HED has given you from the start.
In short, the HED is not a diet. It’s a way of overcoming diets and living your life free of dietary rules and dogma. I hope you will consider the ideas with a calm and open mind. Read the testimonies that have already been given on Matt’s blog and the HED website. Forget about stupid rat studies cited by people like Stephan and Peter. Rats can’t tell you how they feel. Go with your heart and mind and instincts.
The HED will bury all other diets.
Join us or watch us surpass your health by an increasing margin.
Matt, What would you recommend to an underweight 22 year old? 5’10 130lb. I fixed chronic digestive issues with 4 months of high-fat low-carb and have recently switched to 3 meals a day of high-fat + potatoes and occasional white bread. I briefly tried a gallon of milk a day but my skin dried out. Also, what’s your position on Cod Liver Oil? I have recently stopped all supplements except the occasional synthetic drop of K-2 because I’m worried that my butter (Organic Pastures Cultured) is not grass fed). I eat liver once a week. Would appreciate any suggestions, Andrew
I also added this comment, to clarify to Jana that sugars are not restricted, and the goal is to be able to eat sugars in the form of fruit, 100% fruit juice, raw “unheated” honey, maple syrup, and even occasional refined sugar…
Also, Jana, sugars are not restricted if you can tolerate them. People are free to eat fruits, 100% fruit juice, grapefruit juice, orange juice, honey, maple syrup, and other natural sugars. The whole myth that fructose is damaging is bullshit. It only applies to people with a crappy slow metabolism caused by dieting (eliminating foods or restricting macro-nutrients or restricting calories by any deliberate or conscious means). The HED is not a diet. It’s a way to overcome dieting and get to the level of health where you can TRULY eat high-everything (high-fat, high sugar, high starch, high calories, and even some alcohol and other sugar and other things perhaps). Basically, the term diet doesn’t do it justice. It is a tool for overcoming diets.
Also, the HED is not a high meat or high protein diet. Protein should not be more than 20% of calories, preferably more in the neighborhood of 6-10% like the human milk contains or the Kitava Diet. I feel that the HED will spare protein strongly by several mechanisms (namely being high in carbs, fat, and calories).
The Myth of the High-Protein Diet
And here’s another addition to the HED Anti-Diet Manifesto.
The rules are simply guidelines for getting started. The goal is a total freedom from diet dogma, including in the extreme case the dogma that you think the HED may contain (if any).
I don’t want to brag, but I believe very strongly that Matt and I and the people who read us are the most open-minded people in the world. Nobody else could have come up with the HED ?nti-Diet and the radical ideas that accompany it. It goes against everything, every diet you have ever heard of – ever WILL hear of.
And if you’re not interested, if you’re not curious, if you’re not a little bit open to the idea, then there is no hope for you at all. Open your mind or die in misery while we grow and improve to the level where we make you look like you’re not even the same species as us.
Here is the newest version of the HED’s Rules. Rule #10 is particularly radical, but there are other small changes here and there, as well.
http://tinyurl.com/cvsmzc
Here is Rule #10 of the HED Anti-Diet, a rule which shows just how radical of an idea the HED is. It’s not a diet as I’ve said repeatedly. It’s a tool you use to overcome the need to follow ANY diet. In the end, you attain a level of health in which the rules start to fade.
“The rules are simply guidelines for getting started. In the long run, you should try to become more flexible. The goal is a total freedom from diet dogma, including in the extreme case the dogma that you think the HED may contain (if any). Experiment with varying the amount of carbs and fats in your meals over an extreme range. Experiment with mixing large amounts of foods together in meals. Eventually try to eat foods that you were previously allergic or intolerant to, like whole grains, wheat, beans, fiber, starches, sugars, dairy, fruits, vegetables, etc. The goal is to be able to eat everything, literally, not just large amounts of a few foods. The concept of going beyond the rules is also integral to the HED. You are trying to attain a level of health where there are no rules. You start with a high degree of dietary freedom and aim to end with an even higher degree.”
Someone on Stephan’s blog argued that I might develop mania from eating the HED Anti-Diet. Here’s my response.
Nutrition and Infectious Disease
Jana: "Symptoms of mania include rapid speech, racing thoughts, decreased need for sleep, hypersexuality, euphoria, impulsiveness, grandiosity, and increased interest in goal-directed activities."
I don't suffer hypersexuality or racing thoughts or rapid speech or euphoria or impulsiveness. I do need less sleep. I can skip a night of sleep, then sleep 6 hours and feel fine. So I would say I'm good with 3 hours of sleep. Perhaps far less than that. I"m open to the idea of being able to go a week without sleep & remain healthy by eating HED. See, sleep deprivation causes insulin resistance & the HED combats insulin resistance. When you can't sleep or don't feel like, the best thing to do is to eat large amounts of food to overcome insulin resistance. The same principles are used in the HED to overcome metabolic resistance and put the thyroid into over-drive.
Here is some nonsense from Diet Guru Charles W. about the Swine Flu, from his blog.
Of course he thinks starving yourself, not eating any carbs strengthens your ammune system and will protect you from swine flu. This is stupid and laughable.Maybe he should start reading some books on human history.I would start him on Gun’s Germs and Steel by Jared Diamond.
Charles said,
“Based on these studies, any person who eats largely carbohydrate-based meals, particularly those containing sugars, and snacks with small carbohydrate-based meals spread throughout the day ? as the latest advice suggests we should ? could lose up to half their immunity to disease for much of the waking day.
And by extension, I can say that anyone who eats carbohydrates should be very afraid of the swine flue and any other flu that lurks in the air.”
Maybe just because he thinks high insulin is directly related to carbs? If so, he’s not completely far off – just, blaming a macronutrient instead of the actual insulin that could be raised by other things. cha know mang
I’ve never believed those studies saying that “carbs, esp sugars, lower immunity, esp sugars. lower your immunity.” I used to eat mainly sugars (fruit, honey, and juice) for my carbs and rarely got sick, even though I exposed myself to germs as Matt does. What they did was feed people sugars without fat and protein. In short the people were not eating the HED. The low-carb gurus, like Barry Groves, claim all the time that “carbs lower immunity, esp sugars”, but the studies fed people carbs without anything else in the meal. That will lower immunity, esp if you’re not healthy to begin with and have a bad metabolism. The question is whether the same effectS occur in healthy people and people who eat saturated fat and protein with the carbs, i.e. with people eating HED and ignoring mainstream diet advice like eating low-fat and high-carb.
Re: carbs & immunity
It's interesting because when I first started increasing my carbs (mostly white rice), I would get a scratchy feeling in my throat that came and went. Initially I attributed it to the weather, but soon I realized that the rice seemed to have something to do with it.
Now, after increasing carbs even more and consistently eating a higher-carb diet, I haven't experienced the scratchy throat thing at all. It's as if my increased metabolism from upping the carbs reset my immunity, and now I can eat like a normal person again. There was definitely an adjustment period following low-carb where I felt like I was "sensitive" to carbs of all kinds.
Adjustment period…absolutely.
The thing is that when metabolism is low, glucose metabolism is poor. When glucose metabolism is poor, eating carbohydrates can make the problem even worse, as every time your blood sugar gets outside of the parameters of what can be considered normal and balanced the door is more or less open for invasion.
Andrew:
Often eating a lot of food won’t even put the weight on, as so many chroncially underweight people have discovered. I would continue to eat plenty of starch and fat together, but a little extra protein is probably more suited to someone with a fast metabolism that is underweight vs. a lower protein diet for someone with a slow metabolism that is overweight – but those are just generalizations.
Forget the cod liver oil. That stuff is nasty, toxic, and unnecessary for most people I would imagine. There’s nothing wrong with trying to pump up your vitamin D status, but as long as your diet consists of pretty wholesome foods and you don’t totally live underground, then you’ll be fine.
Go with half and half over milk if you’ve had some problems with the milk. That may help.
Matt,
I’m curious why you think cod liver oil is toxic. Is it the PUFAs or something else? Do you have the same opinion about fish oil?
Some quotes by Bruce Lee, quite relevant to the HED Anti-Diet Philosophy…
http://thinkexist.com/quotes/bruce_lee/
“Use no way as a way. Use no limitation as a limitation.”
“All fixed set patterns are incapable of adaptability or pliability. The truth is outside of all fixed patterns.
“If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else. it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.”
“As you think, so shall you become.”
“Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless – like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup; you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle; you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.”
“Ever since I was a child I have had this instinctive urge for expansion and growth. To me, the function and duty of a quality human being is the sincere and honest development of one’s potential.”
“A goal is not always meant to be reached, it often serves simply as something to aim at.”
“Forget about winning and losing, forget about pride and pain.”
“A wise man can learn more from a foolish question than a fool can learn from a wise answer.”
“Always be yourself, express yourself, have faith in yourself, do not go out and look for a successful personality and duplicate it.”
“Notice that the stiffest tree is most easily cracked, while the bamboo or willow survives by bending with the wind.”
“Take no thought of who is right or wrong or who is better than. Be not for or against.”
“The less effort, the faster and more powerful you will be.”
“Obey the principles without being bound by them.”
“If you want to learn to swim, jump into the water. On dry land, no frame of mind is ever going to help you.”
“I am learning to understand rather than immediately judge or to be judged. I cannot blindly follow the crowd and accept their approach. I will not allow myself to indulge in the usual manipulating game of role creation. Fortunately for me, my self-knowledge has transcended that and I have come to understand that life is best to be lived and not to be conceptualized. I am happy because I am growing daily and I am honestly not knowing where the limit lies. To be certain, every day there can be a revelation or a new discovery. I treasure the memory of the past misfortunes. It has added more to my bank of fortitude.”
Does HED cause mania?
“Although “severely elevated mood” sounds somewhat desirable and enjoyable, the experience of mania is often quite unpleasant and sometimes disturbing, if not frightening, for the person involved (and those close to them), and may lead to impulsive behavior that may later be regretted. It can also often be complicated by the sufferer’s lack of judgment and insight regarding periods of exacerbation of symptoms.
Manic patients are frequently grandiose, obsessive, impulsive, irritable, belligerent, and frequently deny anything is wrong with them. Because mania frequently encourages high energy and decreased perception of need or ability to sleep, within a few days of a manic cycle, sleep-deprived psychosis may appear, further complicating the ability to think clearly. Racing thoughts and misperceptions lead to frustration and decreased ability to communicate with others.”
But I think some of the most successful people have a little mania. Psychological “disorders” are just made to label people who think differently than mainstream.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypomania
I think psychological disorders (as long as hallucinations aren’t involved) are benign and are a result of THOUGHTS…
It’s just the pharmaceutical companies who push their SSRI’s and benzodiazepines and anti psychotics to make profit. They WANT you think something is “wrong” with your brain chemistry. Haha. Watch whenever a psychologist talks about that: “some people are born with a defeceit in brain chemistry” or “imbalance” and this can only be corrected by drugs.
Remember, kids. If you have depression, it’s a clear sign of PROZAC-DEFICIENCY.
Todd,
It’s just that omega 3’s are very sensitive fats, and cod liver oil seems particuarly vulnerable to rancidity, even compared to fish oil. There’s a reason why fish reeks and rots in a very short time period. That’s due to the oils, that take on an overly strong, pungent, and often unattractive taste and odor. Cod liver oil is the epitome of this rancidity, and it often causes belching and other signs of gastrointestinal disappointment.
I just don’t think it’s all that necessary, and there’s a downside to it – it tastes bad, is chemically unstable, and rough on digestion. If you’re really needing some Vitamin D, spend more time in the sun and eat fresh liver.
“And no area of the globe was safe. Eskimos living in remote outposts in the frozen tundra were sickened and killed by the flu in such numbers that entire villages were wiped out.”
http://www.booknotes.org/Program/?ProgramID=1632
Some info from the 1918 pandemic. Being that these Eskimos were from remote villages, I can say by extension that they were Zero carbers and their diet of seal meat fat and water did not prevent their deeaths.
Scott
EAT FRUITS If you want to AVOID the SWINE FLU. Why?
As BRUCE Pointed OUT: Sugars lower the immune system. And this is needed with viruses like the swine flu. IT’s not the virus that causes death its an overactive immune system.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytokine_storm
Eating HED probably keeps the immune system busy/lowered in capacity all the time, so that would protect you from death (a “Cytokine storm”).
In the Spanish flu young healthy people died lots!
“More than people of any other nationality, Americans consider pleasure and health as oppositional in dining. In a multinational study of food attitudes, for instance, Claude Fischler, a sociologist, and Paul Rozin, a psychologist, asked the French what came to mind when they heard the words ”chocolate cake.” Their reply: ”Celebration.” Americans’ response? ”Guilt.””
Todd, omega-3 fats can deplete Vitamin E if eaten in excess. And “excess” isn’t a large amount, IMO. Up to 4g a day may be safe, preferably from whole foods rather than processed oils. Dogs fed cod liver oil in large amounts all died of cancer, as Ray Peat has mentioned. Cats fed high fish diets will get yellow fat disease, also known as steatitis (inflammation of the fat cells). The Kitavans ate like 4g of omega-3 fat a day from whole fish. A larger intake, esp from oils, is unwise.
Eating HED probably keeps the immune system busy/lowered in capacity all the time, so that would protect you from death (a “Cytokine storm”).
Good point, unless this Pandemiic turns out to be bullshit, we might find out. I read that the WHO is already revising the death rate in Mexico down.
Scott, that Anonymous guy is a troll. He obviously doesn't know what he's talking about. In response to his claims. I will say this – eating carbs, esp sugars, esp refined ones in the absence of protein & fat may indeed lower your immunity. Such an eating style obviously has nothing in common with HED. Hence, the comment is a pointless diversion. Anyone who believes that carbs lower immunity, show me proof that fed people lots of saturated fat as well as protein with the carbs, and also didn't use refined sugar. I will believe that carbs suppress immunity when people present studies that use diet strategies comparable to the HED Anti-Diet.
EVERYTHING MOST PEOPLE THINK THEY KNOW ABOUT DIET AND HEALTH IS 100% WRONG.
Eating saturated and mono-unsaturated fats with unlimited starches and/or unrefined sugars is absolutely healthy – even burgers, pizza, tacos, burritos, pasta, hot dogs, etc. Junk food and refined sugar can be healthy, as long as you don’t eat them often. Comfort foods can be more healing than “high quality” foods. The greatest dietary villains in fast food are refined sugars, HFCS, artificial sweeteners, PUFA oils, and trans fats, i.e. sodas, fries, ketchup, mayo, and desserts. The best way to maintain a healthy body is not by restricting calories or foods or macro-nutrients, but rather by eating all you want and sometimes much more than you want – emphasizing nutritious foods, not refined sugars and processed vegetable oils.
HEALTHY PEOPLE DON’T DIET.
BE HEALTHY. EAT EVERYTHING.
The Way of the High-Everything-Diet (HED)
1. Eat all the fat you want, especially saturated fat : coconut oil, butter, cream, whole milk, half and half, cheese, beef, lamb, goat, buffalo, etc. Other good fats : macadamia nut oil, foie gras, pork leaf fat, olive oil in small amounts, and occasional avocados. Poly Unsaturated Fats (PUFAs) and Trans Fats are best avoided, like most commercial mayonnaise, salad dressing, chicken fat, turkey fat, fried food, hydrogenated oil, etc. Use normal pork, lard, duck, and goose fats in moderation. You may have fish occasionally, but don’t eat just fatty fish : like salmon, sardines, mackerel, and tuna. Eat leaner fish, as well : cod, haddock, pollock, etc. Eating too much PUFAs from fatty fish (or fish-derived oils) can deplete Vitamin E. Beware of mercury content in certain fish, like albacore tuna and swordfish. If you can’t digest fat well, eat less fat for a while and build up. If you are overweight or obese, try reducing fats some and eating more starch instead. Don’t eat a fat-free diet, like idiot body-builders promote. Egg whites, skim milk products, light tuna, potatoes, and skinless chicken breasts are virtually devoid of fat. Never eat those foods exclusively, or any similar foods, as the basis of your diet.
2. Eat all the starch you want : unbleached unenriched bagels, organic white rice (esp sushi rice), brown rice, sprouted bread, potatoes, sourdough, corn tortillas treated with lime, soaked beans / peas / lentils. Don’t fear natural starches, whether refined or unrefined. They help you to heal. Do not believe anyone who says starches are fattening. That’s only true for unhealthy people. Starches are not fattening for healthy people and they can help you get healthy faster than anything (with saturated fats). Try to avoid any bread or starch with the wrong kind of oils : like corn, soybean, sunflower, safflower, cottonseed, canola, rapeseed, or hydrogenated oils. Eat all the vegetables you like, preferably boiled (as in soup) or steamed. Raw veggies can be hard on digestion. Vegetable juices can be used, either raw or cooked. A properly functioning metabolism can quickly digest fiber and starch without gas, bloating, or other problems. Most people don’t have such a strong metabolism, so they should initially limit fiber, esp whole grains, beans, raw vegetables, fruit peels and seeds, or nuts.
3. Eliminate white sugar, High Fructose Corn Syrup (HFCS), and other refined sweeteners from your regular diet. Preferably avoid food with HFCS in general, like most packaged foods in the USA. A small amount of sugar in breads is OK, but don’t eat food high in refined sugar (like more than 10% of its calories or with sugar in the first few ingredients). Beware that HFCS hides in many foods. The less of that garbage you eat, the better. Eat natural sugars cautiously, like fruits, 100% juices (preferably “Not From Concentrate” or Fresh), maple syrup, or raw honey (preferably “Unheated” honey). Eat starches before trying natural sugars. Avoid the sugars if they cause hypo-glycemia (low energy) or food cravings. In time, you may heal enough to eat natural sugars in whole foods. Always eat fat and protein along with carbs, esp sugars. Don’t eat ANY artificial sweeteners or diet sodas. All they will do is make you hungry and fat, messing up your body’s ability to respond to foods naturally.
4. Eat satisfying amounts of protein, animal or vegetable. Avoid soy protein and vegan diets, and preferably avoid vegetarianism, too. Aim for about 10-40g protein per meal. Limit processed or nitrate-cured meats. Try to use fresh food. Don’t eat protein powders, protein shakes, or protein bars. They’re rubbish. Protein should not be emphasized too heavily, like the so-called high-protein diets. Excess protein is bad for the metabolism. Aim for 10-20% protein, more or less. Carbs and fats spare protein. So, always eat plenty of carbs and fats. Fermented soy can be used in moderation : natto, tempeh, miso, tamari, shoyu…
5. Don’t count calories or restrict them. Eat all you want and occasionally much more than you want to keep your metabolism fast, prevent weight loss plateaus, and to minimize weight gain. Aim for at least 3 meals a day with a mix of natural carbs, fat, and protein. Once you have healed some, you can have desserts occasionally – but only if you can eat them infrequently without cravings. It is best to begin with natural foods, like fruit, fruit juice, unheated honey, or maple syrup (poured on pancakes with lots of butter). If you choose to expand your diet with occasional desserts (once or twice a week), it would be best to choose desserts with the most saturated fat and the least PUFAs and trans fats. Good dessert choices would be cheesecake, tiramisu, Danish butter cookies, high-cream ice cream, premium chocolate, organic cream pies, macaroons, pancakes with loads of butter and maple syrup, etc. High fat is better, so look for ice cream with cream as the first ingredient (like H?agen-Dazs). Don’t eat food if it makes you feel bad or causes any cravings. If you can’t eat junk infrequently and sporadically, do not eat it at all.
6. Don’t believe in the quick fix. A healthy person loses weight on HED, if they have weight to lose. The unhealthy person might gain weight temporarily, because of previous dieting and starvation. Dr. Diana Schwarzbein says: “You have to get healthy to lose weight – not the other way around.” So, give your body a chance to heal. Another good quote from Schwarzbein: “If eating well (high-everything) causes you to gain weight, then you have a damaged metabolism.” If you have a damaged metabolism, you need to heal. Don’t let anything (or anybody) discourage you. Things can get worse before they get better. Be patient and optimistic. You did not damage your metabolism in a day and you may not fix it overnight. Also, you need to get healthy to exercise, not the other way around. Exercise if you feel like it – not to burn off excess calories. Make it fun and spontaneous, like playing and short intense bursts. Lift weights to build muscle and strength, but allow yourself several days to recover between work-outs. Just walking is fine to begin. Remember, you’re re nourishing yourself, rather than starving. Excessive exercise is a form of starvation. Work with your body, not against it.
7. These guidelines are simply a frame-work for getting started. In the long run, you should try to become more flexible. The goal is a total freedom from diet dogma, including in the extreme case the dogma that you think the HED may contain (if any). Experiment with varying the amount of carbs and fats in your meals over an extreme range. Experiment with mixing large amounts of foods together in meals. Eventually try to eat foods that you were previously allergic or intolerant to, like wheat, whole grains, beans, fiber, starches, sugars, dairy, fruits, juices, vegetables, fish, nuts, etc. The goal is to be able to eat everything, literally, not just large amounts of a few foods. The HED encourages you to overcome all dietary dogma, rules, and fear. Find your own Way. By starting with a high degree of dietary freedom, you can eventually attain more.
STOP DIETING, EAT WELL, FEEL GOOD.
DEATH TO DIETS. EAT EVERYTHING.
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/High-Everything-Diet/
http://180degreehealth.blogspot.com/2009/03/hamburglars-metabolism.html
http://180degreehealth.blogspot.com/2009/04/plower-vs-force-revisited.htmlK
The only mechanism fruits and other natural sugars could use to lower immunity would be via causing a hypoglycemic reaction.
But this is not the fault of the fruit or the sugar, but the person ingesting it. There is a core disorder that causes the hypoglycemic reaction to simple sugars. But can anyone with sound logic honestly blame that on fruit? I hope not.
“And no area of the globe was safe. Eskimos living in remote outposts in the frozen tundra were sickened and killed by the flu in such numbers that entire villages were wiped out.”
Probably because they ate low-carb since High-Everything was not possible in that environment. Perhaps the high intakes of immune-suppressive omega-3 fats were yet another factor in their demise.
Our readers are the best, right, Matt? I know we could not have done this without them. Domingo – one of the moderators on HED – thought of the perfect acronym for referring people to this High Everything Anti-Diet.
FAD – FUCK ALL DIETS.
Flawless acronym Domingo – amongst the best I’ve ever heard.
FAD – FUCK ALL DIETS.
Great!!!
The subject line from all HED posts will now be [HED]-[FAD] just so everyone knows.
BRUCE!
I think you might be on to something very important. You said that when you “diet” your body has “low standards” and that causes allergies and such.
Allergies are 10x more common in Europe than in other parts of the world, such as USA. It’s probably because in Europe it is very famous to “eat light””: no fat, plenty of salads. So many people are allergic to even grass (outside) in EU countries. Its the most “developed” countries in Europe where people have been indoctrinated by health advice, such as Germany, that have the highest allergy rates. The people aren’t exposed to anything so they develop allergies to everything. They don’t eat varied enough, and only eat whole grain bread with salad leafs, lean meats, so on
Europe eats light? Since when?
Carolyn proposed two more acronyms.
AHEAD = A High Everything Anti-Diet.
FAD = Forget All Diets.
MATT:
The Potbelly Syndrome is a really bad book. It says on page 96 in relation to stress/food consumption that high cortisol levels cause perpetual hunger and over eating.
Well, then, if Cortisol levels are increased on ZERO Carb or even low carb, then why are these diets so excellent at curbing hunger?
“The Potbelly Syndrome is a really bad book. It says on page 96 in relation to stress/food consumption that high cortisol levels cause perpetual hunger and over eating.
Well, then, if Cortisol levels are increased on ZERO Carb or even low carb, then why are these diets so excellent at curbing hunger?”
That’s a simple question. Because those diets slow down your metabolism, as does ANY diet. Only through a High-Everything Anti-Diet can you achieve the level of health where you can “Forget All Diets”, including the HEaD itself. Zero-carbers have a pathetic and weak metabolism, due to their Way of Eating. They commonly develop food sensitivities, allergies, and intolerances. Witness Charles Washington. He can’t eat eggs with his meat or he gains weight. He can’t eat cheese with his meat or he gains weight. He[‘s pathetic and weak and he’s living in denial of his worsening state of ill health. Only by eating everything could he heal his metabolism. But he will go on deluding himself that he has found a secret to health by deprivation, fear, dogma, and ridiculos rules.
Matt I think we need to clarify something here.
Remember you adventure out in the wilderness where you brought mostly carb based foods (oats)? You were terribly cold and overate a lot when you came home.
You said you were eating 2500 calories per day. Do you today, judging from your experience, believe that the results would have been better with fats instead (such as pemmican) if it was the same amount of calories? You say this at the end of your Zero Carb FUMP trial.. That you think going in the wilderness with pemmican instead of oats would be much better, even if same calories level.
On the same note I also wanted to ask you, what do you think caused you to feel miserable out there in the wilderness?
Was it
1) You were eating too many carbs
2) You weren’t eating fat/protein with the carbs
3) You were eating too little calories.
Would the experiment have gone differently if you had added a little pemmican next to the oatmeal? Or would it have been enough if you had raised the oats to 3000-4000 calories or more?
Here are two recent comments of mine from the HEaD group…
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We don’t want to be taken seriously. You’re missing the point. We want to emphasize the fact that it’s a subversive idea. We are eating A High-Everything Anti-DIet (HEAD or AHEAD), which allows us to achieve total freedom from dietary rules, dogma, and fears – including any that the AHEAD-FAD may contain. Hence, it is “The Way of No Way” or “The Limitation of No Limitation.” We don’t believe in any limits to how healthy we could become by eating with the total freedom that the HED-FAD allows. Nobody would take that idea seriously, unless they were totally open-minded and rational as we are. There is probably no way that guys like Michael Eades and Peter (HyperLipid) and Stephan and Richard Nikoley will ever take the Anti-Diet seriously, because they have decided, irrationally, to close their mind to such paradigm-shifting ideas…”
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The High-Everything Anti-Diet IS “crazy” by the definitions of the world at large. Only a “crazy” person would subscribe to this Way Of Eating. What I am doing by going to the blogs is showing that people aren’t open-minded. Everybody has their own style. This is mine. I don’t try to “duplicate anyone else’s personality” – to paraphrase Bruce Lee. My aim is for these sites to ban me, publicly. I want them to say. “you’re banned and your posts will never be allowed.” Then I will have won. So, please don’t question my motives or actions. There is a logic behind what I am doing. It’s my logic, but there is a very strong logic behind it.
I’m going to leave Eades alone, but Matt might respond to him in the future. He at least accepted my comments and was somewhat cordial. He didn’t accuse me of being some “religious fanatic”, because I have found a higher level of health than I ever imagined to be possible. Matt and others can try to “warm” people up to the High-Everything Anti-Diet, but I’m going to confront them with their own closed-mindedness and irrationality, their dogma, their fear, their limitations, and their rules…
Bruce,
Can you show us some of your photos ?
How old are you ?
What are your mensurations ?
That would help us to judge your HED!
Thank’s
I agree. Bruce show some pictures! You are so good at judging others on “diets”… Let’s see the results of your diet.
Michael Eades, Charles Washington, low carb gurus and other “dieters”, at least show what they have achieved with their own diet. Health is something that can be seen on an individual (I hope you agree since your judging of other peoples health based on their looks reflects this). So follow your own philosophy and convince even more by showing some real life results… You are, after all, the founder of this diet, and you have (according your your internet testimonials) achieved great health, clear skin, lost weight, etc.
If you want to remain anonymous simply post blur out your face.
I don’t understand why you haven’t done this earlier and I don’t understand what you have to be embarrassed about.
We want Pictures BRUCE!
We want Pictures BRUCE!
You can see Matt’s picture. HE eats high carbs, high fat, high calories, and he’s seeing massive benefits like I have seen and Half Navajo (Troy), also a member of HED, has seen. Pictures don’t prove that someone is healthy or unhealthy and I’ve admitted that I am overweight from prior experimentation with other diets and the testing of the High-Everything Anti-Diet (HED or HEAD). I’m probably 15-25 pounds overweight (215 or so), because I have a muscular and large frame. I exercise and don’t look nearly as large as others who are my size. I can see changes in how I look and how my clothes are fitting from eating HEaD.
I have also described other benefits of more impressive nature – like effortless digestion of the most complex meals (10 to 12 different foods at one time). For ex:I would not be afraid to eat a meal like this – half and half, whole grains, butter, beans, fatty meat, cheese, eggs, vegetables, fruits, potatoes, fish, and honey. That would be nothing to me. I’d freely go to a buffet and eat everything they had, with the exception of “foods” which I limit (like refined sugar) and which I avoid almost totally (processed vegetable oil). I dare you do try eating the large and complex meals that I’m now able to eat and tell us how wel you are able to digest them. I can digest them effortlessly. I feel no bloating or heaviness in my stomach and my stomach doesn’t hardly makes any noises. Troy has described similar experiences and so has Escalante on my group. I’m not saying that everyone will be able to do this immediately, but it’s a goal that you should work towards and be open to achieving. Matt can’t eat beans yet and he can’t eat lots of unrefined sugar in his meals, but he WILL achieve what Troy and Escalante and I have achieved if he continues to eat the HEAD.
“I exercise and don’t look nearly as large as others who are my size.”
I meant to say “others who are my weight.”
Even when I was heavier (prior to HEAD), my body was not as big as others who were the same height and weight, because I am more solid and dense (muscular).
I may publish pictures eventually, but right now I don’t have a digital camera or digital scanner. I don’;t like having my picture taken either and never have.
Saying I should post pictures is like the people on HyperLipid, Whole Health Source, and the Michael Eades blog saying that I should get medical tests. It’s an “appeal to authority” or another fallacy. There’s no reason I should have to get any tests done, because I don’t believe in medical treatment or doctors, except in the case of emergencies. You are imposing a false standard of proof to ask me for pictures and medical tests. The proof that I’m healthy is my ability to eat foods I couldn’t eat in the past without having any reaction, as well as many other benefits that I have described.
You see, I practice pan-critical rationalism and so does Matt and so do most of our readers. Even before I knew what it was, I practiced it. I read Max More’s paper on Pan-Critical Rationalism about 15 years ago when he first published it.
http://www.maxmore.com/pcr.htm
Here are some shorter articles which can give you an introduction to the ideas of Pan-Critical Rationalism. Basically, you reject ALL “appeal to authority.” My only authority is myself. Matt’s only authority is himself. And the same goes for everyone else who belongs to HED.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancritical_rationalism
http://clublet.com/c/c/why?PanCriticalRationalism
We don’t try to impose dogma on others. We are open to all possibilities and we are open-minded, curious, questioning, rational, and inquisitive by nature. We are willing to question and criticize all ideas, even the HEAD itself. This idea is implicit in the precepts of the HEAD, because I state in #7:
“These guidelines are simply a frame-work for getting started. In the long run, you should try to become more flexible. The goal is a total freedom from diet dogma, including in the extreme case the dogma that you think the HED may contain (if any). Experiment with varying the amount of carbs and fats in your meals over an extreme range. Experiment with mixing large amounts of foods together in meals. Eventually try to eat foods that you were previously allergic or intolerant to, like wheat, whole grains, beans, fiber, starches, sugars, dairy, fruits, juices, vegetables, fish, nuts, etc. The goal is to be able to eat everything, literally, not just large amounts of a few foods. The HED encourages you to overcome all dietary rules, dogma, fears, and limitations. Find your own Way. By starting with a high degree of dietary freedom, you can eventually attain more.”
Hence, nobody can say that the HEAD is a “religion” of closed-mindedness. On the contrary, it’s a religion of complete and total rationality and open-mindedness, whereas the dogma of low-carb and gluten avoidance and other things is a closed-minded religion. The HEAD is based on PCR implicitly. People who are open to the idea are pan-critical rationalists, even if they have no idea what that word means.
The HEAD Credo…
My only “rule” is that “there are no rules.”
My only “limitation” is that “there are no limitations.”
My only “dogma” is that “there is no dogma.”
My only “fear” is the concept of “fear” itself.
We are going to change the world.
The HEAD will bury all other diets.
Join us or watch us grow stronger.
(changed “limitations” to “limits”)
The High-Everything Anti-Diet (HEAD) Credo…
My only “rule” is that “there are no rules.”
My only “limit” is that “there are no limits.”
My only “dogma” is that “there is no dogma.”
My only “fear” is the concept of “fear” itself.
We are going to change the world.
The HEAD will bury all other diets.
Join us or watch us grow stronger.
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Any suggestions? Thanks, Bruce
My only “Rule” is that “There are no rules.”
My only “Limit” is that “There are no limits.”
My only “Dogma” is that “There is no dogma.”
I have no concept of “Fear”, whatsoever.
We are going to change the World.
The HEAD will bury all other diets.
Join us or watch us grow stronger.
My new acronym for FAD is “Forget About Diets”, rather than “Forget All Diets” or “F. All Diets” (the profane version). I think that “Forget About Diets is a much more powerful and infective idea, it will hit peoiple a lot harder when they read “FAD – Forget About Diets” than when they read the other versions of that acronym.
Harper: “The diet will do really well on it’s own, Bruce (considering that people understand the principles and don’t take it to extremes,) so don’t worry about making up witty names and let the results speak for itself :)”
I didn’t come up with the acronym FAD. I told you that Domingo did. I think I have come up with a better acronym now. Forget About Diets is a more powerful, infective, and subversive idea, IMO. It’s perfectly fitting to the overall concept of AHEAD (A High-Everything Anti-Diet), because we are saying that you should even Forgeta About THIS Diet when the time comes. Hence, the idea is totally rational, logical, and sound – unlike other diets which are based upon dogma, rules, limits, fears, etc.
Also, Harper, we WANT to take it the idea to extremes. The idea is that we have “no limits, no rules, no dogma, and no fears” whatsoever. We are becoming healthier and healthier by allowing ourselves to eat in total freedom, without limits, rules, and dogma. We will eventually become far more healthy than we ever imagined possible. I see no limits to what we can achieve, and that is why the idea is so radical. We’re not subscribing to any diet permanently – including AHEAD. We are totally open like the quotes I posted from Bruce Lee above. We can grow and change.
Here is the new footer that will be sent out with all messages on the aHEaD (FAD) discussion group. This is perfect, Matt.
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FORGET ABOUT ALL DIETS (FAD) by eating
A HIGH-EVERYTHING ANTI-DIET (AHEAD)…
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This is going to warp people’s minds when they see it. It will shatter all the lies they might believe about HED in one single sentence.
FORGET ABOUT ALL DIEST (FAD) by eating
A HIGH-EVERYTHING ANTI-DIET (AHEAD)…
shhhhhhh
Don’t worry, Chloe. It won’t matter if we give away our secrets here. Knowing about them won’t protect anyone and most people won’t know about them anyway.
BRUCE you have some good ideas.
BUT I think you’ve lost your mind.
Bruce, what I meant by the “extreme” thing is that there are people who don’t really get the principles and are doing ridiculous things, thinking it’s your diet (some of these people are in your yahoo group and just seem really lost.) I know my comment wasn’t clear, and since I couldn’t edit it I just deleted it. I was just sayin, as long as the diet works, who cares what the name of it is?
HEALTHY PEOPLE DON’T DIET.
Eating saturated and mono-unsaturated fats with unlimited starches and/or unrefined sugars is absolutely healthy – even burgers, pizza, tacos, burritos, pasta, hot dogs, etc. Junk food and refined sugar can be healthy, as long as you don’t eat them often. Comfort foods can be more healing than “high quality” foods. The greatest dietary villains in fast food are refined sugars, artificial sweeteners, PUFA oils, and trans fats, i.e. sodas, fries, ketchup, mayo, and desserts. The best way to maintain a healthy body is not by restricting calories or foods or macro-nutrients, but rather by eating all you want and sometimes much more than you want – emphasizing nutritious foods, not refined sugars and processed vegetable oils.
FORGET ABOUT DIETS (FAD).
Eat a High-Everything Anti-Diet (aHEAD).
1. Eat all the fat you want, especially saturated fat – coconut oil, butter, cream, whole milk, half and half, cheese, beef, lamb, goat, buffalo, etc. Other good fats – macadamia nut oil, foie gras, pork leaf fat, olive oil in small amounts, and occasional avocados. Poly Unsaturated Fats (PUFAs) and Trans Fats are best avoided, like most commercial mayonnaise, salad dressing, chicken fat, turkey fat, fried food, hydrogenated oil, etc. Use normal pork, lard, duck, and goose fats in moderation. You may have fish occasionally, but don’t eat just fatty fish – like salmon, sardines, mackerel, and tuna. Eat leaner fish, as well – cod, haddock, pollock, etc. Eating too much PUFAs from fatty fish (or fish-derived oils) can deplete Vitamin E. Beware of mercury content in certain fish, like albacore tuna and swordfish. If you can’t digest fat well, eat less fat for a while and build up. If you are overweight or obese, try reducing fats some and eating more starch instead. Don’t eat a fat-free diet, like idiot body-builders promote. Egg whites, skim milk products, light tuna, potatoes, and skinless chicken breasts are virtually devoid of fat. Never eat those foods exclusively, or any similar foods, as the basis of your diet.
2. Eat all the starch you want – unbleached unenriched bagels, organic white rice (esp sushi rice), brown rice, sprouted bread, potatoes, sourdough, corn tortillas treated with lime, soaked beans / peas / lentils. Don’t fear natural starches, whether refined or unrefined. They help you to heal. Do not believe anyone who says starches are fattening. That’s only true for unhealthy people. Starches are not fattening for healthy people and they can help you get healthy faster than anything (with saturated fats). Try to avoid any bread or starch with the wrong kind of oils – like corn, soybean, sunflower, safflower, cottonseed, canola, rapeseed, or hydrogenated oils. Eat all the vegetables you like, preferably boiled (as in soup) or steamed. Raw veggies can be hard on digestion. Vegetable juices can be used, either raw or cooked. A properly functioning metabolism can quickly digest fiber and starch without gas, bloating, or other problems. Most people don’t have such a strong metabolism, so they should initially limit fiber, esp whole grains, beans, raw vegetables, fruit peels and seeds, or nuts.
3. Eliminate white sugar, High Fructose Corn Syrup (HFCS), and other refined sweeteners from your regular diet. Preferably avoid food with HFCS in general, like most packaged foods in the USA. A small amount of sugar in breads is OK, but don’t eat food high in refined sugar (like more than 10% of its calories or with sugar in the first few ingredients). Beware that HFCS hides in many foods. The less of that garbage you eat, the better. Eat natural sugars cautiously, like fruits, 100% juices (preferably “Not From Concentrate” or Fresh), maple syrup, or raw honey (preferably “Unheated” honey). Eat starches before trying natural sugars. Avoid the sugars if they cause hypo-glycemia (low energy) or food cravings. In time, you may heal enough to eat natural sugars in whole foods. Always eat fat and protein along with carbs, esp sugars. Don’t eat ANY artificial sweeteners or diet sodas. All they will do is make you hungry and fat, messing up your body’s ability to respond to foods naturally.
4. Eat satisfying amounts of protein, animal or vegetable. Avoid soy protein and vegan diets, and preferably avoid vegetarianism, too. Aim for about 10-40g protein per meal. Limit processed or nitrate-cured meats. Try to use fresh food. Don’t eat protein powders, protein shakes, or protein bars. They’re rubbish. Protein should not be emphasized too heavily, like the so-called high-protein diets. Excess protein is bad for the metabolism. Aim for 10-20% protein, more or less. Carbs and fats spare protein. So, always eat plenty of carbs and fats. Fermented soy can be used in moderation – natto, tempeh, miso, tamari, shoyu…
5. Don’t count calories or restrict them. Eat all you want and occasionally much more than you want to keep your metabolism fast, prevent weight loss plateaus, and to minimize weight gain. Aim for at least 3 meals a day with a mix of natural carbs, fat, and protein. Once you have healed some, you can have desserts occasionally – but only if you can eat them infrequently without cravings. It is best to begin with natural foods, like fruit, fruit juice, unheated honey, or maple syrup (poured on pancakes with lots of butter). If you choose to expand your diet with occasional desserts (once or twice a week), it would be best to choose desserts with the most saturated fat and the least PUFAs and trans fats. Good dessert choices would be cheesecake, tiramisu, Danish butter cookies, high-cream ice cream, premium chocolate, organic cream pies, macaroons, pancakes with loads of butter and maple syrup, etc. High fat is better, so look for ice cream with cream as the first ingredient (like H?agen-Dazs). Don’t eat food if it makes you feel bad or causes any cravings. If you can’t eat junk infrequently and sporadically, do not eat it at all.
6. Don’t believe in quick fixes. A healthy person loses weight by following the HEAD, if they have weight to lose. The unhealthy person might gain weight temporarily, because of previous dieting and starvation. Dr. Diana Schwarzbein says: “You have to get healthy to lose weight – not the other way around.” So, give your body a chance to heal. Another good quote from Schwarzbein: “If eating well (high-everything) causes you to gain weight, then you have a damaged metabolism.” If you have a damaged metabolism, you need to heal. Don’t let anything (or anybody) discourage you. Things can get worse before they get better. Be patient and optimistic. You did not damage your metabolism in a day and you may not fix it overnight. Also, you need to get healthy to exercise, not the other way around. Exercise if you feel like it – not to burn off excess calories. Make it fun and spontaneous, like playing and short intense bursts. Lift weights to build muscle and strength, but allow yourself several days to recover between work-outs. Just walking is fine to begin. Remember, you’re re nourishing yourself, rather than starving. Excessive exercise is a form of starvation. Work with your body, not against it.
7. These guidelines are simply a frame-work for getting started. In the long run, you should try to become more flexible. The goal is a total freedom from diet dogma, including in the extreme case the dogma that you think the HEAD may contain (if any). Experiment with varying the amount of carbs and fats in your meals over an extreme range. Experiment with mixing large amounts of foods together in meals. Eventually try to eat foods that you were previously allergic or intolerant to, like wheat, whole grains, beans, fiber, starches, sugars, dairy, fruits, juices, vegetables, fish, nuts, etc. The goal is to be able to eat everything, literally, not just large amounts of a few foods. The HEAD encourages you to overcome all dietary rules, dogma, fears, and limitations. Find your own Way. By starting with a high degree of dietary freedom, you can eventually attain more.
STOP DIETING, EAT WELL, FEEL GOOD.
DEATH TO DIETING. EAT EVERYTHING.
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/High-Everything-Diet/
http://180degreehealth.blogspot.com/2009/03/hamburglars-metabolism.html
http://180degreehealth.blogspot.com/2009/04/plower-vs-force-revisited.html
Anonmous:
“BRUCE you have some good ideas.
BUT I think you’ve lost your mind.”
No, I’ve found my mind. I’m operating on a higher level in every way than I ever have before by eating aHEaD (FAD).
Harper:
“Bruce, what I meant by the “extreme” thing is that there are people who don’t really get the principles and are doing ridiculous things, thinking it’s your diet (some of these people are in your yahoo group and just seem really lost.) I know my comment wasn’t clear, and since I couldn’t edit it I just deleted it. I was just sayin, as long as the diet works, who cares what the name of it is?”
Nobody has lost their Way. They are now finding their Way. They are exploring the outer reaches of the HEAD, because we don’t believe there are any limits. They will learn and grow and they don’t need you to protect them, Harper.
I changed the HED message footer slightly.
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FORGET ABOUT DIETS (FAD) by eating A
HIGH-EVERYTHING ANTI-DIET (AHEAD)…
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I think it’s much better with HEAD, it’s like saying Diets are a Fad, while eating High-Everything Anti-Diet is the only rational diet (using your head).
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FORGET ABOUT DIETS (FAD) by eating a
HIGH-EVERYTHING ANTI-DIET (HEAD)….
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Here’s the new credo of the HEAD Group.
I changed the last two lines. This will hit people like a ton of bricks.
My only “Rule” is that “There are No Rules.”
My only “Limit” is that “There are No Limits.”
My only “Dogma” is that “There is No Dogma.”
I have no concept of “Fear” whatsoever.
We are going to change the World.
The HEAD will bury all other diets,
as they bury their heads in the sand.
Bruce said : “Pictures don’t prove that someone is healthy or unhealthy”
So Bruce, how can you say, looking at their pictures, that Charles “is malnourished and unhealthy” and that “He’s pathetic and weak…”, that Eades and Cordain “look far from healthy or robust”, and “how pathetic he looks” talking about the Bear’s photos ?
How can you write that Troy (Half Navajo) and Matt are “robust, healthy men, eating high everything like primitive tribes” just by looking at their photos ?
Of course, photos don’t cheat, except when they are retouched…
I prefere to rephrase Matt’s first rule : “When an overweight person is talking about health, stick your fingers in your ears…”
Charles has admitted publicly that he can not sit on a hard chair without pain. He has sunken eyes and black circles around his eyes. He complains of being cold. So, we have direct evidence from Charles that he’s not healthy. I have admitted none of those things. My health continues to get better by eatin HEAD (FAD).
I am not going by Troy and Matt’s photos to say that they are healthy, but by the statements they have made about their diet and health. Hence, I have not in any way contradicted myself. Matt looks healthy. Troy looks healthy, but I go by what they say and assume they are being truthful, unless something convinces me otherwise. Thanks, Frederic.
You have contradicted yourself 100s of other times, so yes, you change your mind often and make up new rules as you go.
But just POST A PICTURE MAN! What’s the big deal? We don’t want a 50 page long philosophical analysis on why “it isn’t necessary” or why “it doesn’t prove anything”. You WAY over analyze.
Show some pictures, it’s that simple! don’t act defensive and come up with excuses such as “Pancritical Rationalism” and “I don’t have a digital camera”. Everybody has a photo of themselves or can get one taken. No big deal.
It’s becoming almost tiring to read your posts as you are so repetitive: “I feel awesome, perfect digestion, I don’t need photos because I eat HED, I don’t need doctor because of HED, I don’t need to justify myself because I eat HED and have the best results in the world, white organic sushi rice, taco bells, Starch, saturated fats”. You seem very happy to have found “your own diet” which you have invented, but it’s becoming slightly hyperactive, to be honest, hearing you post the same rules over and over again with perpetual tiny modifications.
Frederic: “You have contradicted yourself 100s of other times, so yes, you change your mind often and make up new rules as you go.”
The HEAD’s Credo says that My only “rule” is that “There are no Rules.” So, that’s inherent to the idea that I would change my mind and grow. I used to believe that coffee was bad, based on Matt’s previous beliefs (which I don’t think he holds as strongly any more, either). But I hadn’t tried drinking a lot of coffee while following the HEAD. When I did, I found that coffee had no effect on me whatsoever. I mean, I can drink 2-3 double espressos and not feel stimulated at all. Plus, I have talked with Gabriel Frieland (Universatile) on the HEAD group and he uses coffee with no ill effects. So, I changed my mind. Yes. That doesn’t mean I contradicted myself. It means I changed myself. So, your point is invalid.
Frederic:
_I prefere to rephrase Matt’s first rule : “When an overweight person is talking about health, stick your fingers in your ears…”_
I hope that he removes that rule, because it’s not consistent with the HEAD concept to accept rules, liminations, fears, and dogma. Just because someone is overweight doesn’t mean they’re unhealthy or that it would be unwise to listen to them. There are no authorities except ourselves. A lot of people have benefited from following the HEAD and you can easily verify if their claims are valid by experimenting yourself with an open mind for several months (at least). I believe what Troy says because it agrees with what I hve experienced, not because I believe him implicitly. You are right not to believe until you have experienced what we are talking about. If you refuse to try the HEAD Approach, then you will never see what we are talking about and you simply dismiss the idea But that means you’re closed-minded and irrational (according to PCR concepts).
This is a little off topic, but has anyone read “Devil in the Milk: Illness, Health and the Politics of A1 and A2 Milk” ? It seems like a milk bashing book, but, just going by the snippits on the amazon page, I saw one explanation that A1 is a genetic mutation in cows (especially ones used in America) that is, I guess, ‘more dangerous’ than A2. Like the one review sited a study that the A1 casein fed rats produced a 47% rate of diabetes, whereas the A2 casein fed rats produced no diabetes at all. It’s interesting, because A1 is supposedly a genetic mutation in cows, and it noted that A2 milk is found more in cows in Africa, and I thought- Masai.
I just thought it could be why there are mixed reviews for raw cow milk and milk in general. If someone had tried A2 (like in Jerseys) versus A1, I wonder if it would make a difference in how it is digested, despite other dietary factors. Obviously only 47% of the rats got diabetes (meaning some did fine on A1, some didn’t) yet were eating the same thing – and the A2 got none at all. I just find that interesting.
I realize it might not matter, but, worth sharing to elaborate on.
Chloe just listen to Bruce and NOTHING MATTERS! The Study you are citing was NOT performed on overfed HED rats who ate plenty of saturated fats so it is completely irrelevant and DUMB.
Eat HED and live forever without questioning or pointing to rat studies. We are, after all, humans (who can and should eat 5000 calories HED per day), we are not animals.
Chloe A1 and A2 are references to proteins in milk:
“Cow’s milk contains six major proteins. Four are casein proteins, the other two are whey proteins. Casein proteins make up about 80 percent of the protein in cow’s milk. A type of casein called beta-casein is one of the major ones, and is itself of different kinds, depending on the genetic make-up of the cow. The most common are beta-casein A1 and beta-casein A2. Milk high in beta-casein A1 is being referred to as ?A1 milk? while milk high in beta-casein A2 is being called ?A2 milk?.”
“Milk produced in New Zealand and many other countries normally contains a mixture of A1 and A2 beta-caseins. Different breeds can produce different milk. For example Friesian cows produce mostly A1 milk, while Guernsey cows, sheep and goats produce mostly A2 milk.”
“Milk from Jersey cows, Guernsey cows, camels, sheep, buffalo, yaks, donkeys, goats, and Asian cows naturally contain mostly these A2 beta casein proteins, whereas milk from cows such as Holsteins usually contains mostly the protein variant called A1 beta casein. In the 1970s, Australian dairy herds switched from using Jersey cows to Holsteins and at that time some dairy farmers? families noticed effects on their health, keeping a Jersey cow for their own use. “
“Milks containing mostly A2 proteins are often said to be better for ?allergies? (such as gut, skin rashes, hayfever, cough). There is also research to suggest that A1 beta casein may be associated with serious health conditions such as heart disease, diabetes type 1 and autism. “
I only drink certified raw, certified biodynamic milk from Jersey herd cows. I have no ill effects from the milk and cannot compare it to A1 since I only used to drink A1 in childhood, and then it was conventional and pasteurized.
However, please note, Jersey is not the best A2 milk since it also contains some A1. Goat milk contains less A1 so it might be better. Buffalo milk might be a good choice also. Seek out biodynamic farms, they produce the best food.
I found a picture of Bruce floating around on the internet. So now we can end this whole argument once and for all:
http://www.killsometime.com/Pictures/images/Muscles.jpg
The results are obvious.
Bruce, did you have to low carb to get that ripped?
Chloe I appreciate not all of Bruce’s followers have continued to blindly follow him to HED death.
Health is about constant improvement. I love that you are questioning everything, including Bruce’s gay diet. Food quality does matter. such as A1 vs A2 milk, raw vs. pasteurized milk, organic vs. conventional apples, and so on.
Bruce,
You decide that beeing overweight is not unhealthy, but that being sometimes cold, having sunken eyes and black circles around the eyes is not healthy.
You also decide that Charles has “the physique of a skeleton” :
http://forum.zeroinginonhealth.com/showthread.php'tid=37
You decide that eating high everything will bring the perfect health.
What else will you decide ?
Check out this post by Charles Washington, all who would follow his way of eating:
"Anyway, those of you wanting low bodyfat should really be careful for what you wish for. I haven't had mind mesured, but I have very little. I'm a paralegal and I have to sit in courtrooms for days at a time. If you've ever been in a good federal courtroom, you know the chairs are wooden. There is no padding. My butt bones hurt so bad after sitting there all day. When I was fat, I did not have this problem!"
http://forum.zeroinginonhealth.com/showthread.php'tid=1342&pid=41747#pid41747
And as I’ve pointed out (and others have) before, I like this freudian slip Charles made:
“I haven’t had mind mesured, but I have very little.”
He’s mindless, whereas the people eating HEAD are using the purest logic of all – pan critical rationalism.
Bruce is a 35 year old guy still living in his mom’s apartment, wanting an excuse to live on McDonalds and Bean And Cheese Burritos. His hobbies are: sitting on the internet 20 hours per day, yelling to his mom, eating fast food, farting, and of course, becoming the Master of Internet Arguments.
In fact, he has become so good at arguing on the internet that his followers accept any behavior from him and any change he makes to his diet is seen as “logical”. Can’t tolerate a food? Eat it more! There are no allergies! There are no bad FOODS, only BAD DIGESTION!
BIB (Believers In Bruce) even fail to notice that Bruce is overweight as he has admitted himself, and, that he has never posted a picture (or any proof) online because he “doesn’t have a typical camera, and because pictures can’t be used to judge health, only internet testimonials can”. Ironically enough, Bruce judges others peoples health by their pictures constantly, and he doesn’t believe any testimonials by others, such as the testimonials on AVs website, where people mention they have cured themselves of disease, chronic digestive issues, etc.
Bruce can go days without sleeping and has perfect digestion mixing rocks, sand, lava and bricks in the same meal. That testimonial right there is infallible and enough proof, because of Bruce’s twisty arguments: “I use.. ehm… Pre-natal post-Renaissance hyper-rationalism, so I can’t be wrong. You, on the other hand, are an ad-hoc”
You don’t want to show any proof such as lab results.. at least show a picture. Before and After? That is, if you really want to reach more people. And you seem to want that, since you are spamming most health blogs.
Bruce
You seem like a bitter, lonely man. One who experiences no joy in his life, but criticizes everyone he meets, analyzing their nutritional intake, their wrinkles, all their failures. I bet your followers have become like you, following your “pancritical rationalism” of being negative, self-absorbed angry people (criticizing everything) with even shorter life spans.
live your life a bit outside the forums and try to appreciate every human being, no matter what diet they eat or don’t eat. A lot diet guru’s may be unhealthier than you but I they are nicer in Person and much more positive to talk to.
“And as I’ve pointed out (and others have) before, I like this freudian slip Charles made:
“I haven’t had mind mesured, but I have very little.”
He’s mindless, whereas the people eating HEAD are using the purest logic of all – pan critical rationalism.”
Bruce you are going in circles, you have mentioned this over and over again. Do you suffer from mania? memory loss? Are you on drugs?
"Bruce you are going in circles, you have mentioned this over and over again. Do you suffer from mania? memory loss? Are you on drugs?"
Your question is nonsensical. I wasn't the first person to mention that Charles can't sit in hard chairs without pain. Here was the first mention on HED – March 15 of 2009, by Mike Williams. How is my remembering that indicatie of a memory loss? On the contrary, it's proof that my memory is strong. No, I do not use drugs. And I will continue to mention Charles's pathetic health in every thread, just to piss off people like you. Go back to Charles's forum & enjoy your pathetic level of health.
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/High-Everything-Diet/message/11180
BRUCE –
Why do you assume all zero carbers have horrible health when some people thrive on that diet (well based on their comparative blood work, before/after pictures and personal testimonials).
Are they lying? Or are people really different and some can, perhaps, do well on a diet like that?
I know the level of health that I have by eating HEAD is superior in every way to what you are experiencing with ZC. You’re damaging your metabolism, UNLESS you eat all the time, stuff yourself, eat beyond appetite, like the Eskimos did.
And the quality of the food matters as well I guess… Like raw vs. fried/cooked, grassfed vs. walmart.
I think organs are important too and wild meats as well.
For a zero carb diet that is
I don’t eat more than 1.5-2 pounds of meat and fat. But most of it is suet (fat) and the rest is mostly organs. I do super well!
Hilarious everyone. Thanks for the lively banter.
Someone asked me about my Wind River starvation diet.
I was miserable due to shortage of calories. I was burning 5 or 6k per day and eating 2,500. It was fine for a week, the remaining 5 and a half were like hell on earth.
I don’t think zero carb would have left me in miraculously better shape. I developed a maniacal mindset on that diet even without exercise. Plus, I don’t know if I would have had the energy to hike 500 miles with up to 95 pounds on my back with no carbs. One thing’s for sure though – I would have been less hungry. The hunger drove me freakin’ nuts, just like the subjects of the two big starvation studies done several decades ago. My results were identical – to a T.
I imagine lack of hunger with reduced carbohydrates does have something to do with the fact that carbohydrates keep the metabolism running higher – creating more of a calorie deficit.
The Potbelly Syndrome isn’t the greatest book ever written by any means. In fact, when I reviewed it in my monthly eZine the conclusion was that it isn’t a must read.
Cortisol causes ravenous hunger because it can trigger insulin resistance. So, if you eat carbs while you are insulin resistant you will get extremely hungry. If you cut the carbs and don’t produce much insulin, you will be less hungry. The more insulin resistant you become, the more carbs make you hungry. The less insulin resistant you become, the less carbs make you hungry. It’s that simple.
Most people then turn around and blame carbs, and low carb diets reinforce their beliefs that carbs are indeed the villian despite a mountain of historical and scientific evidence that reaches into the stratosphere disproving such a silly idea.
I don’t fully endorse any book. I’ve yet to read a single one that didn’t have some kind of glaring blind spot. I take important pieces from many books and piece them into something more inclusive and rational. The only modern day book that is really sound is the Schwarzbein Principle, precisely because she encourages people to Forget About Diets and combine ample amounts of all the macronutrient groups together at every sitting, Forget About Counting Kilocalories (FACK), and heal your body before worrying about what kind of clothes you wear.
Charles Washington, although he may be a zealot of a very narrow-minded way of eating, has still accomplished an important goal. Most overweight people have a burning desire to lose all that fat, have a six-pack, or whatever. He did it. I know that he feels really excited and invigorated about it. I know he feels like he has found some kind of holy grail. Everyone feels that way when they stumble upon something that helps them achieve a long-standing dream. My hat’s off to him.
Clearly he has not, nor have many people, been able to eat carbohydrates and not gain weight, have hypoglycemic reactions, be depressed and moody, have elevated blood sugars, triglycerides, cholesterol, and other biomarkers.
So he hasn’t achieved what is the ultimate goal for everyone – be healthy on normal amounts of normal foods like our ancestors were able to. Bruce and I seek that, because it is the ultimate solution – everything else is a step short.
But we at least can acknowledge that it’s a possiblity, and that diets are all a collective pile of avoidance schemes. Sure, anyone can cut out problematic foods and feel better.
Likewise, if I’m walking with nails in my shoes, taking my shoes off will allow me to walk without pain and seem like a miraculous cure has been found. I’ll blame shoes for my prior problem because I was wearing them when I had foot pain.
That’s kind of how all these crazy restricted diets come about, but it may just be possible to take the nails out, and have the benefits of wearing the shoes without the negative side effects of having nails in your feet.
That’s what we’re looking into. So far, so good.
Oh, and Bruce. You look super-ripped in that photo man. I had no idea.
I am glad Matt is at least on board with HED. I think it is a great idea and all, but Bruce is getting a little bit overzealous, no? Thanks, Matt, for keeping it real.
Bruce,
You don’t seem to care about loads of people out there thinking you suffer from bipolar disorder. You continue making a fool of yourself, being annoying, and giving dangerous recommendations. And it’s so ironic you chose to bash Emma on Peter’s blog — she has a lot of experience with bipolar herself and wrote a thorough article on how to control it here:
GABA, and DIY for bipolar?disorderI know this goes against your HED/FAD/HEAD/AHEAD principles but perhaps you’ll check it out once your manic high is over.
I’m not bipolar and never have been. Why don’t you find some decent arguments for a change? Go back to Emma’s blog and enjoy her dogma of fear, deprivation, misery, limitation, and rules. I’m going to eat everything she denies herself and I have already become 100 times stronger than her. “As you think, so shall you become.” If you think you can do anything, there will be nothing you can’t do. If you are convinced that you have some limitations, yo9u will rot like Emma. I used to think the same way. You can’t understand health until you overcome your pathological fears, rules, limitations, and dogmas.
We are all so positive today (:
This blog and the HED Yahoo group have become worse than a lunatic asylum IMO…
I’ll continue to try n’ keepz it real.
Lunatic asylum might be pushing it.
This post is from almost 2 years ago, so not much has changed, we’re just now trying to take it beyond its previous threshhold.
Dangerous recommendations?
What, to eat well?
Should we now file lawsuits against grandma?
Should we join the mainstream and sell Hydroxycut or promote Dr. Oz and his new brain surgery for weight loss program?
Matt I’m fucking confused a bit.
You say in your blog that for someone with insulin resistance, avoiding sugar is the best deal (keeping with starches). I have found this for myself to be true, as fruits always make me even more hungry (provided that I have 2 very sweet tasting fruits).
However now you told this lady that she should get her glucose tolerance better by going from low carb diet to juice fasting (on sugars). I find this a bit bizzare, since I know from myself that I would have to drink more than 1 gallon of sweet fruit juice per day to satisfy my needs, only making me even more hungry.
And I Have tried the same approach, switching from low carb to pure white rice (starch only, maybe a little fat from egg yolk). It went OK for the first day, but by the second day I went maniac for that rice. I would eat 1 pound of white rice per day, I couldn’t even stop and chew it I would just swallow it.
What the fuck should I Do? I have tried your approach from the book and nothing seems to work! Balanced diets… Been there, done that. Mix fats, protein and starch. Up the starch by a little. Eat 4 meals per day. It doesn’t work! I Get cold hands and feet, I turn moody, and I am constantly hungry!.
What’s the best and fastest way to go to glucose tolerance and good insulin control? I am freakin D E S P E R A T E. While Very Low Carb (less than 40 grams per day) works excellent, it’s not sustainable.
Help!
Bruce, In all fairness to you repeatedly bringing up Charles’ slip..
“I haven’t had mind measured, but I have very little.”
You boasted in your own forum that your IQ must have risen 20 “pounds” on this diet, possibly up to 187, which I believe tops Einstein by a significant margin. So unless you are also solving string theory in your spare time, I think maybe you have at least some delusions of granduer going on. Maybe some messianic fantasies. I don’t know man, but you are definitely cranked to ’11.’ And all of this to promote a ‘Way’ you have been living only a couple months at best. I’m just sayin…so far, I’m not quite ready to be a Follower.
When I first read this blog I was quite impressed and read through a lot of the archives. But Bruce spoils it with his maniacal comments, around seventy so far on this thread, and his forays into Eades and Stephan’s excellent blogs are out of order.
Comments like this are revealing: I’m going to eat everything she denies herself and I have already become 100 times stronger than her. “As you think, so shall you become.” 100 times… yeah right.
How about:
“He who considers more deeply knows that, whatever his acts and judgments may be, he is always wrong.” Human All Too Human – Nietzsche
Matt, I’m not sure what kind of neurotic break Bruce (who is now Ian apparently) is having, but seriously dude, you might want to distance yourself a bit. Even if he’s just playing games, it’s not helping anyone trust the information you are trying to help people with.
From Bruce’s latest:
THE RAPTURE IS UPON US
THE END OF THE WORLD IS NIGH
THE SECOND COMING IS HERE.
Everyone who said we were wrong is going to admit that we were right.
Nothing will ever be the same again. Drugs will be legalized, racism will end, obesity and all other chronic diseases will end, everyone will be healthy eating whatever they want whenever they want, and they won’t give it a second thought, like us.
Bruce,
It seems Emma is doing just fine (contrary to yourself).
Matt,
Bruce is giving dangerous recommendations – for example feeding gluten to cure celiac, if you care to read Peter’s Hyperlipid blog. Another one I can think of now is eating lots of junk food to cure oneself.
Matt, Bruce is having a psychotic break, or, he has reached the apex of one hell of an Andy Kaufman type ruse. I think it's time to end it..
From HED Forum:
This will be the last message anyone ever receives from Bruce K. From now on, I will be going by my real name, which is Ian J. Please update all of your email addresses to my new address.
Thanks. Without you, none of this would have been possible. I told you we were going to change the world and I now have absolute proof. I have SEEN God. You will not believe me, unless you are open-minded, but I say to you that this is 100% true.
My hands are being guided by God. It's like a puzzle. I have to figure out what to do next to advance in the game. But I am seeing things happening that cannot be explained by anyone. I've gone from an atheist to a 100% believer in God. The world is going to change and this is not a joke. I am deadly serious. Please, Matt and everyone, believe.
Bruce -> Ian
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHA
Matt I agree! DISTANCE YOURSELF BEFORE PEOPLE ASSOCIATE THIS MANIAC TO YOU!
And Matt.. I’m hoping that’s at least your real name, not like Bruce Kleisner who has now changed both his first and last name. What’s real anyone? Bruce has finally reached MANIA!
Kind of expected this to happen, after all his analysis of diets..
Bruce/Ian,
are you saying that people will reach God by eating HED?
Bruce. You need to find people who are on your new level. Chinese healers. Martial artists. Meet them. Talk to them in real life. They will understand you. And only with them will you be able to reach the next level.
You need a “Master Mind Group” to be able to take things to the next level. See the book “Think and Grow Rich” by Napoleon Hill, chapter 10/11 on “The Master Mind Group”
ANYONE ELSE WHO NOTICED:
BRUCE IS WALKING IN THE FOOT STEPS OF AV (AAJANOUS VONDERPLATINZ). READ THE BOOK “WE WANT TO LIVE”. In it, AV describes exactly how he “saw things” once where he had a dream of walking into his body seeing his cells that want to live and want raw foods…
Does anyone know this guy personally? He needs help, he might run into trouble in this kind of a state!
And please don’t make fun of him, he’s ill. Or is this some kind of a really bad joke, Matt?
This is Bruce K, speaking from the dead. Soon I will be resurrect as Ian J. Feel free not to believe, but this is true.
Matt, I’m stuck in a limbo where I can’t get out. It’s like a puzzle. I have to figure out what to do, but there are no clues at all. The puzzles involve email composition. In the beginning, I felt like my hands were guided and it was easy to write the correct words, but now I feel lost and it’s difficult to know what I should say. So I am stuck with several messages I urgently need to send to the HED group, but they can’t be sent. Gmail = God Mail. It’s really as simple as that. Do you believe, Matt? I implore you to open your mind. Thanks
Since I am unable to communicate by email any more (because I’m trapped in a puzzle run by the God-mail company, I will have to communicate through this blog until I find some other way of communicating. And please believe me, I am telling you the truth, Matt. I need your help or I maybe stuck in this limbo forever where I can’t post. Try reading some of my messages on the group, it may help give you ideas to get me out. Right now, I’m stuck in some kin of limbo where there is no escape. I have seen God. I have had the ultimate religious awakening and gone from an atheist to a believer in one second. I saw before me all the proofs that would be presented to show that the HED is the true diet of God and these proofs blew my mind when I saw them, even though I was just looking at my own words my readers, your words, and your reader’s words.
I’m trapped in Limbo, Matt, and I can’t get out. This is the only way that I am able to communuicate for the time being. I beg you to open your mind and believe what I am saying. If you don’t then you will be damned. If you do, then you are going to be among the saved.
Anonymous above me (who posted May 3, 2009 1:04:00 PM PDT):
You really have some guts calling people you don’t know “ill”. What are you, gestapo? Here to diagnose anyone who doesn’t fit your bill of “normal”.
People who have achieved the greatest results in life and have changed the world, have always been “unique”.
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All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
If you would have said, just a few centuries ago, that the earth passes around the sun and not the other way, people would first have ridiculed you, then, when your idea would start to step on their core values (and when people get scared), they would have put you in jail and stoned you, and lastly, when everyone would find out that the earth does indeed circle the sun, it would be seen as “self-evident”. Sounds familiar? EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED TO THE GUY WHO DISCOVERED THAT THE EARTH PASSES AROUND THE SUN.
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Someone please post all of these emails to the HED group for me. As I've said. I am stuck in limbo held captibe by the Gmail company (which stands for God Mail). Each time I try to send my messages, they fail to send, but I am able to access the 180 blog, Matt. So I need you or someone to forward all of my messages to the HED or else I will be stuck in limbo forevfer & ever in eternal damnation. Please, Matt. This is imperative. Someone forward my messages to the HED group. I can't do it because I'm in limb held captive by the God Mail corporation. If you don't send my posts to the HED group and to other website or blogs, then I won't get out. You must spread the word of my plight so that it may be possible to release me. Please, tell the whole world that I'm trapped in Limbo hele captive by the God-Mail Corporationi and I can't get out. Thanks, this has been Bruce / Ian who is speaking to you from beyond the grave.l
Does anyone doubt that I’m a genius now? I told you that I have aa 185-187 IQ and I would just like to point out for all of Matt’s readers that this is a publicity stunt. It’s a scam. I’m not in limbo. I don’t believe in that Gmail is actually God-Mail. I just made up the whole idea because I’m an idiot with no brains and my IQ has actually declined from eating the HED. Please, everyone, send these posts to as many blogs as possible (except this one), because we are going to create an unbelievable sensation when people realize the level of ideas that I am now able to use by eating the high-everytthing-diet. I’ve created the greatest publicity campaign in all of history and nobody can stop this meme from spreading.
It will be so powerful, infective, and radical that the whole WOLRD will be eating the high-everything-diet in a few weeks, just because I am telling them to do so now. I now control the world. I have achieved the greatest level of power ever imagined in all of existence and there will be no stopping it for all of time., You see the level of ideas I am using, Matt? I am creating a delusion in my mind deliberately and I am living that delusioni and infecting the entire world with insanity and soon everyone will be a victim, because the idea can not be stopped. Please forward this to the HED list and to all other groups or I won’t be able to get out of Limbo. I am being held captive by the God-Mail corporation, also known as Gmail. Help please;
BTW, my IQ is now 1,000,000. Now, Matt, do you believe that we have changed the world? I am creating a delusion in my own mind and infecting the world with it, even though I don’t believe any of the things that I am saying. Thanks.
You really have some guts calling people you don’t know “ill”. What are you, gestapo? Here to diagnose anyone who doesn’t fit your bill of “normal”.
People who have achieved the greatest results in life and have changed the world, have always been “unique”…Oh dear, you’re all mad here!
My name is Bruce Kleisner. There is not such a person as Ian J. I simply made it up, along with other elaborate aspects of this publicity stund, so I enourage you to tell others that I’m now totally insane. I’ve created a delusion of a religious experience deliberately and used it to build up HED subscribers even more. I’d say the world will be eating HED within six weeks. I also want to get rid of the concept of money and all currency, legalize all drugs forever, allow anyone to drink at any age, etc. So please get on board the HED campaign.
What about hookers and pimps? Got to give some love to them in HED world; despite the STDs and all.
lordy
lordy!
amen.
“You really have some guts calling people you don’t know “ill”. What are you, gestapo? Here to diagnose anyone who doesn’t fit your bill of “normal”.
People who have achieved the greatest results in life and have changed the world, have always been “unique”…Oh dear, you’re all mad here!”
What if you ARE witnessing a World Change Anonymous? What is all those in fear, like yourself, WILL perish?
When Noah built his ark, most people didn’t believe the warnings of the forthcoming storm. Only those on Noah’s ark survived.
“…Oh dear, you’re all mad here!”
What if you ARE witnessing a World Change Anonymous? What is all those in fear, like yourself, WILL perish?
When Noah built his ark, most people didn’t believe the warnings of the forthcoming storm. Only those on Noah’s ark survived.
I’m joining IAN on the Ark Of Salvation. I encourage you all to do the same. EAT HED and be saved
I like FAD – the Fat Ass Diet. And Bruce is the weirdest Diet Guru ever, and that’s saying something!
Not as weird as AV yet….
Bruce you need to go something even more extreme. Like eat something nobody has ever eaten before.
I can now freely warp and change reality just by thinking about it. Please share with the world that I’ve met God and God runs the G-Mail corporation. It’s short for God-Mail, not Google Mail, which is just a ruse. G-Mail runs the world and they can’t be stopped. You need to join them now, before it’s too late.
I’m afraid Bruce is going to eat AV, that’s how obsessed he is with him. A diet guru eating another diet guru, that’s the next step in dietary evolution!
If Ian says it, we all better do it. Please everyone, sign up to GMAIL if you haven’t already.
Some other aspects of the HED campaign will be that all restaurant food gets cooked in beef tallow or lard or coconut oil and PUFA oils are eliminated. THey will never be used in anything from now on. Just thought you should know that I can change reality just by thinking it.
TBIC (This Blog Is Crazy).
BHSHM (BRUCE HAS LOST HIS MIND)
So Bruce — you want to change reality, but do you want to help people? And if you want others peoples health to improve, WHY? What’s the benefit for you?
Or are you just an unselfish giver
Bruce, please change reality by magically turning all PUFA into coconut oil. There, problem solved.
Bruce change reality so that your penis goes from 1 inch to 5 inch
Oh, yes, gambling and prostitution will be legalized everywhere. I have declared it to be so and it shall be. Nobody will be able to stand in the way of this idea. I have created the ultimate publicity stunt and you should feel free to spread the word about it everywhere. Thanks. Quote my messages far and wide.
Bruce is an unselfish giver. He’s a HED giver!
Bruce please change reality so that I will win the lottery. I will provide you with at least 5% of the winnings, if I win the top prize. I will be playing the lottery next week. Can you please make me win the lottery? I am dead serious. If I win I will wire you part of the money through pay pal or similar service you request. I guarantee you this.
Please change reality so that I will win the lottery when I play next week. Please tell me if you got this message. Thank you.
All diet gurus will have to apologize in public on TV before all of the world. I have declared it. So it shall be.
I did change reality so I imagined I won the lottery, but it didn’t really happen. That is the level my mind can operate at now. I bought a ticket last night and my belief was so strong that I won that it felt like I really did win.
Bruce how about me winning the lottery. How many % do you want of my prize money? I will hand it over to you, if you make the reality so that I Win.
I promise you this. You name a percentage and I in case that I win the Top Prize next week, that percentage of the money will be wired to you.
Just tell me that you received this message and declare that it shall be so that I win. Please.
Bruce can you tell me what techniques you are using to get so strong beliefs in yourself.
I think you could clean up at a casino if you ate the HED, but you would have to go fast before they catch on. Go to Vegas & bring a bunch of friends, after you have trained to count cards at a high level.
what Books on self-success should one read, Bruce. Help insecure people out here!
I can simulate the feeling of meeting God or winning the lottery simply by thinking it. So I think the HED will cure all the world’s mental problems just with those two things alone. I have literally “met” God, but I created the experience in my mind, and don’t really believe it.
BUT HOW? You can’t say that merely eating HED will allow you to use your mental powers in such a radical way.
You have clearly done some psychological practice as well
I bless everyone and declare that they shall meet God and win the lottery by tomorrow morning.
THANK YOU! I will wire you money if I win! You are truly the soul and the ghost of the spirit.
Basically, here’s what I did to create this publicity stunt. I imagined that I was sending e-mail with a “guided hand” and then I imagined that I was trapped kind of in limbo and couldn’t get out. At the same time, all of those messages were sent, but I simply blocked awareness of having sent them. So, I can change my own reality by adding or removing delusions freely and voluntarily and at the same time know that I’m just imagining them.
At first, I didn’t realize that I was in deed imagining it, because I felt like I met God and then won $100 million in the lottery. I created this publicity stunt subconsciously, in other words, because at first I didn’t realize that it was all a product of my mind. The reality was so convincing. Bruce Lee would probabl still bealive if he didn’t starve himse.f He had probably trained his mind to a similar level where he could overcome anything – you could probably eliminate pain from your mind completely with training.
The HED has many things in common with Taoism and Bruce Lee’s Philosophy, “The Way of No Way / THe Limit of No Limlts.” You just have to open your mind totally so you can truly believe that you met God or won the lottery.
“Matt, Bruce is having a psychotic break, or, he has reached the apex of one hell of an Andy Kaufman type ruse. I think it’s time to end it..”
You are absolutely right. It is an Andy Kaufman type ruse, but one so powerful I actually believed it for a while. That’s how strong my mind has become and I know there are no limits to what more can be achieved. A person with a really strong mind could be tortured and feel nothing.
Even if Bruce Almighty acting psychotic is just some kind of a joke to get publicity, I still think you guys are MentAlly Deranged (and really should start using the acronym MAD)… What exactly is the point, to get Matt’s books to sell? Or is it just that your lives are so completely boring?
The new ‘insane’ Bruce K has a much different writing style than he used to. I suspect it’s a different person, although I’m totally open to the idea that the real Bruce, whoever he is, has never been that sane. What do you say about a person who jumps from diet fad to diet fad? I’ve also suspect there’s something funny going on with the different identities. Why does this ‘Bruce K’ take so much time to post on Matt’s blog?
I told everyone what I was doing subtly before-hand by saying “OMG. You are not going to believe this!!!!!!!”
I can switch between sane or insane at will. I can even produce different types aof insanity. FOr example, I can perform a task (like sending emails) and make my mind belief that the emails are stuck – the servers won't allow them to be sent. Just as easily, I can imagine that my email software is unusable and I can only post through Matt's blog. It's a powerful idea, because you can create delusions & combine various delusions freely.
Bruce, this is commonly called being mentally ill…
Sorry Matt,
I’ve always been a big fan but now Bruce has lost the plot I have to say i’m not gonna be reading any of the comments anymore, they are getting repetitive and boring and really I think Bruce is making a total arse of himself and you in the process.
I will of course read your posts but sorry bruce, even if it is a publicity stunt can’t you just leave everyone to their own devices adn let the word spread by example rather than makin a total tit of yourself.
pipxx
“Bruce, this is commonly called being mentally ill…”
No, it’s called having a strong mind. I can freely switch from totally insane to totally sane – even in the same sentence now. This means that I can create ideas that blow people away without even trying. Here’s an example
Sane – I use Gmail every day and enjoy their powerful features for message organization and searching. Please go and join Gmail.
Insane – I believe the G-mail corporation is actually a front for God and it’s the God-Mail Corporation and they are trying to take over the world byh giving us crappy service.
pipparoni, you don’t understand the power of my communication. I can go from rabid and insane to completely sane and back again, even in the same sentence. With a little exercise, I will be able to revise the rules until they hit people like a sledge-hammer, just by varying how fast I type and my mental attitude. Matt will be blown away when he sees the insane nature of the ideas i expressed and then going back to sane and explaining what I have done. Plus, I can make my mind believe a complete fiction if I choose.
Yeah, it seems like most people currently posting on MAD!!! Yahoo group are wackos like B – or maybe they’re just B’s alter egos, who knows? Creepy stuff, all this… Matt, I also feel it’s getting rather tiring for all but your most “open-minded” readers.
But by followinng the theories of High Everything, we can get to the point that we can be rabidly insane on command and just as easily calm and rational within the same sentence or paragraph. It gives us a tool to shock people with how fast our minds work, like a computer. I can actually do things and make myself forget having done them, so it’s like I skip over that point in time. Like I can set up an email account, for example, and have no memory of doing it. I just think it and it’s like I jump forward in time to when it’s done. There are many posssiblities by strengthening your mind to an unlimited degree.
In short, my mind is so strong that I am almost able to fool myself into thinking that I met God and then won $100 million in the lottery. I can create a delusion where I think I can’t send e-mail, even when they are being sent, hence creating all the symptoms of insanity. I can copy any mental illness and duplicate it to a level high enough to fool anybody.
I mean, the way I imagined meeting God, was absolutely believable, because what happened is that God came down and said that the HED was his official diet and disgraced everyone who had ever spoken against it. I mean, this was more real than any dream how everything happened with my imagination. And the HED idea actually brought about Rapture in this delusion and it was totally believable down to the last detail, including the fact that Matt and I became famous and won $100 million the same day.
MATT AND BRUCE = SAME PERSON ?
hmmm… possible, but not sure why would Matt want to scare away his readers :)
Matt, I think it’s time to step in and distance yourself from this before it breaks the trust your readers have in you and the information you present. Whatever Bruce is trying to do, it is NOT furthering the cause of eating for optimum health. The question is, did all those burittos trigger Bruce’s mania?
I agree with the previous Anonymous this has gone to far and is getting really rather ridiculous. Don’t let Bruce ruin your blog and its reputation. I’d say distance yourself from Bruce as much as possible as I really can’t see you wanting to be linked with that crazy man. I usually look to the comments section for some thought provoking discussion but this is just nonsense and I won’t be back if this continues.
If your thoughts are not provoked by what I’m saying, then you have a closed mind. Most of my comments were true. I can make my mind simulate any experience, even one that is unreal. I can change my sanity to whatever level I desire. I can speed up the flow of my ideas so much that people will literally run out of breath reading. The whole idea is mental exercise and/or flexibility. Your thoughts should have been provoked by those radical ideas.
That’s great you can change your sanity level, but how about changing your belly flab to whatever level you desire.
Here's the new Introduction to the HED. These ideas will hit people so hard, it will warp their minds forever. There's no way they'll ever recover.
High-Everything-Diet
the truth matters more than being right.
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/High-Everything-Diet/
Quotes by Bruce K.
I can now freely warp and change reality just by thinking about it. Please share with the world that I've met God and God runs the G-Mail corporation. It's short for God-Mail, not Google Mail, which is just a ruse. G-Mail runs the world and they can't be stopped. You need to join them now, before it's too late.
The HED be so powerful, infective, and radical that the whole WORLD will be eating this diet in a few weeks, just because I am telling them to do so now. I NOW CONTROL THE WORLD. I have achieved the greatest level of power ever imagined in all of existence and there will be no stopping it for all time. You see the level of ideas I am using, Matt? I am creating a delusion in my mind deliberately and I am living that delusion and infecting the entire world with insanity and soon everyone will be a victim, because the idea can not be stopped. Please forward this to ALL websites and blogs so that they will be infected.
BTW, my IQ is now 1,000,000. We have changed the world. I am creating a delusion in my own mind and infecting the world with it, even though I don't believe any of the things that I am saying. I want to get rid of the concept of money and currency, legalize all drugs forever, allow anyone to drink at any age, legalize gambling and prostitution, etc. So please get on board the HED campaign. I bless everyone and declare that they shall meet God and win the lottery by tomorrow morning.
I can switch between sanity or insanity at will. I can even produce different types of insanity. For example, I can perform a task (like sending emails) and make my mind belief that the emails aren't being sent – the servers won't allow them to be sent. Just as easily, I can imagine that my email is unusable and I can only post through Matt Stone's blog. I can create delusions & combine various delusions freely within my mind.
Guys. This is so simple.
BRUCE = MATT
Matt is using this to generate as much traffic and attention to his site/diet as possible.
Sorry I haven’t responded everyone, but I was out kicking ass and taking names in Vegas last night – HED style.
Bruce, it’s so incredible. I just went to Vegas and made the most amazing discovery!
I found that if you eat a Quarter Pounder with cheese, no ketchup while holding two dice in your right hand, when you play craps you will be unstoppable!
By rough estimates, one quarter pounder ingested is equal to approximately $932 in winnings at the craps table. I haven’t tried Black Jack yet, but I have a feeling ingesting a slice of Black Jack pizza is the equivalent to $3,000 per hand – if you double down that is. At 8 slices per pizza, that’s 24K! I’ll be rich!!!
Sorry Bruce has been bugging you guys. I know you all seem to want to ban him, but that’s not really my style. Hopefully we won’t get too off track with this, as funny as it can be (and yes, of course he is joking, having fun, and has way too much free time on his hands).
The anonymous comment about Bruce’s penis wins the award for most hilarious comebacks. Whoever that was, your comments are welcome here any time.
I’m planning on posting a new blog today. Hopefully that will, in the words of the enlightened master of all things health – Susan Powter…
Stop the Insanity!
Hey Bruce. Maybe we could use that as a catchy sales pitch. Our slogan could be… Start the Insanity!
I wish I was Bruce. It sounds like it’s really fun to be him right now.
Matt I have tried doing the HED (your version of it. not Bruce’s version with tons of fastfood).
I have reduced my protein drastically and upped my saturated fat and starch intake (I use only organic white rice and organic potatoes).
The fist few days (when I completely turned from a low carb diet) I went to white rice with little egg yolk and not much else. Over the last few days I have slowly upped my saturated fat intake along with the starch, plus some protein like egg whites or organ meat.
The problem I have run into is, that I have started getting some of those problems I had when I was a “partial” vegan (high fruits and starches). I get cold faster and I get temporary “blank vision” when I stand up. I mean like white spots on the vision and a little dizziness. I’m all assuming this is due to bad glucose metabolism.
Lastly I have started binging starches like there is no tomorrow. I just CANT wait to get home from work and eat 100-200 grams of rice. It’s that feeling again. I stuff it in me and barely chew.
So it seems like it has brought my carb addiction back, this HED, and it’s really sad. I’m not gaining weight or anything but I don’t feel too good.
Suggestions?
There’s no doubt that being insulin resistant will cause carbs to spike hunger. However, I don’t believe you can fight against that.
Like we’ve proposed, eating a really high calorie diet without any major restrictions on any macronutrient group can start to lessen insulin resistance over time.
That’s what’s so misleading though – the longer you go low carb the lower the metabolism can get (especially really low carb paired with lots of protein). This increases insulin resistance, so that you respond even more negatively to carbs once they come back.
The transition from going really low in carbs and increasing carbs can be a tough transition. It’s much easier to be gradually lowering than gradually increasing carbs. That’s one reason why I feel it can speed up the process of recovery to eat a ton of carbs, primarily by themselves for a week or so to improve glucose metabolism before trying to eat lots of carbs as part of a more evenly-mixed diet.
But you can clearly see that your response to carbohydrates is really a sign of a poor metabolism. Don’t fear though. Take it head on, eat and eat and eat until your hunger starts to wane – which it eventually will as you lessen your insulin resistance (unless you are pounding HFCS sodas or something).
You might also consider substituting unrefined carbs for white rice. That’s always a safer bet. Eat tons of vegetables and root vegetables primarily. Eat as much as you like.
Never fight your appetite. People get into trouble when they ignore their body’s desires – unless of course they are answering their body’s cries for carbs with refined sugar.
Keep us posted as to how it’s coming along. We’ll find a solution one way or another – just don’t give up so quickly. Think in terms of months – not days.
Matt, can you state with absolute certainty that Bruce is NOT mentally ill?
Because if he is psychotic (as it appears), that’s a serious mental illness and not an innocent thing like “just having some fun”. You could show some responsibility, after all he became like this when following your advice.
Or is Tim Ferriss’ lifestyle too appealing to care about such trivial things?
“I wish I was Bruce. It sounds like it’s really fun to be him right now.”
Definitely. When I said that my IQ is now 1,000,000 – that wasn’t entirely a joke. I’ve got powers I never had before, like being able to selectively ignore / forget things, skip sections of time without any awareness of time having passed, make my self believe the most extreme fantasy (as in Meeting God, Rapture, and winning the lottery one after the other). My IQ might very well be 1,000,000 right now. I can switch my mind from extremely sane to extremely insane and my posts demonstrate this ability – people say I sound different, but I’m exactly the same person. I just developed mental abilities by eating in total freedom. Read this. Here’s the best summary of the HED I can give.
“I think that confidence is the key to why this HED works. Like Matt told me, when I asked him why he doesn’t moderate posts on his blog or block anybody from posting, he said that “More than anything, I guess it’s just a mark of confidence to leave yourself vulnerable to attack. It subtly says, “okay, hit me with your best shot, and you better bring it hard or you will go down.” People have been paralyzed with fear and diet dogma about what they should and should not eat, but the secret to great health is simply to eat with total confidence, no matter WHAT you’re eating, and then you will be healthy no matter what you eat. Nobody will believe this idea, but it is absolutely true in my experience and many other people’s here [on the HED group]. Dieting of ANY kind simply doesn’t work. Eating whatever you want with total confidence in yourself is the ONLY healthy way of eating. Everything else is unhealthy. Period.”
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/High-Everything-Diet/message/13879
Those who believed I really was insane just got suckered by the best publicity
stunt in history. This will go down in future books and articles as the “Best” Publicity Stunt of all time. I even got most of my readers and Matt’s to think that I really was insane. That’s what I am saying. I could convince a shrink I really was insane probably. But I can just as easily convince one that I am totally sane. Hence, I have a level of freedom in thinking and presenting ideas and arguments that nobody can compete with (that I know of). I NOW CONTROL THE WORLD. I have achieved the greatest level of power ever imagined in all of existence and there will be no stopping it for all time. And just in case you think that’s insane, no, it’s not. I’m able to back it up 100%.
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/High-Everything-Diet/
I am absolutely a different person. I am like 1,000,000 different people. You can not imagine the power I have. I have more mental powers than any super-hero.
I never could have come up with the HED blessing unless I had experienced what I am describing – “I bless everyone and declare that they shall meet God and win the lottery by tomorrow morning.” I have done that. I have met God, experienced the Rapture, and felt what winning the lottery feels like – all in a few hours. Imagine the best movie you’ve ever seen and multiply it by a million and you’re nowhere near that experience.
Also, Matt, my vision and all my senses are more accute. The depth of color that I’m seeing is far beyond what I could in the past. Everything looks more vibrant, like I’m in a Hollywood movie when I am just going about my life. I can skip any amount of time and forget that it ever happened and have no awareness of it passing. Like if I need to do something boring like setting up an email account, I can just skip over that experience. I’ve heard about people with these abilities, but never imagined that the HED would provide them. It does.
No, I can’t verify that Bruce isn’t indeed insane.
I have told no one how they should or should not eat. I do not care what people do or do not eat. I like doing research, self-experimentation, analysis, and writing. I don’t waste much time with anything other than those pursuits.
I don’t work 4 hours a week like Tim Ferriss. I work 0 hours per week. I do what I do becauase I like it. I would never sacrafice 4 hours of my week to do “work” unless I was on the brink of starvation.
Approximately 275,000 people died yesterday on planet earth. 275,000 people will die today, and 275,000 people will die tomorrow – no matter what I do or do not do, say or do not say, write or do not write. Should I really spend my day or even 1 minute worrying about 1 measly person that I’ve never even met?
The correct answer to that question is “of course not,” although many answer such questions incorrectly.
It’s not that I’m cold-hearted. I’m anything but. I just don’t want to waste my life away trying to save everyone or worrying about the outcome of every word that comes off of my fingertips because I would never get anywhere.
The Truth Matters More Than Being Right.
I can now freely warp and change reality just by thinking about it. Please tell the world that I’ve met God personally and God runs G-Mail. It’s God’s Mail. G-Mail runs the world and can’t be stopped. Use them or else.
http://mail.google.com/
The HED be so powerful, infective, and radical that the whole WORLD will be eating this diet in a few weeks, just because I am telling them to do so now. I NOW CONTROL THE WORLD. I have achieved the greatest level of power ever imagined in all existence and there will be no stopping it for all time. You see the level of ideas I use? I create a delusion in my mind deliberately and then live that delusion and infect the entire world with insanity and soon everyone becomes a victim, because nothing can stop the idea. Please forward this to ALL websites and blogs so that they will become infected with HED-FAD memes.
BTW, my IQ = 1,000,000. We will change the world. I can create a delusion in my own mind and live it more real than any dream. I can infect the world, even though I don’t necessarily believe all the things I say. I want to get rid of and currency, legalize all drugs forever, allow anyone to drink at any age, etc. So please get on board the HED-FAD campaign.
I bless everyone and declare that they shall meet God and win the lottery by tomorrow morning.
I can switch between sanity or in-sanity at will. I can even produce different types of in-sanity. For example, I can perform a task (like sending emails) and make my mind belief that the emails aren’t being sent – the servers won’t allow them to be sent. Just as easily, I can imagine that my email is unusable, but I can access websites. I can create delusions and combine various delusions freely within my mind, achieving a higher level of living.
Matt, the thing is Bruce has portrayed you and he as two peas in a dietary pod, and you have gone along with this, encouraging him at least a little bit. Now suddenly he is ‘one measely person you’ve never met so why should you care.’
I know this is the Internet and if this forum disappeared overnight I would not lose any sleep, but when you are on a forum for a length of time, you kind of get to know the people, you do hope for their wellness and that they overcome whatever issues they have.
There is probably nothing you can do about Bruce, but he does respect you and listen to you, so to allow him to trash your board, and continue this behavior without addressing him. Well, I hate to quote Spock, but the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one. Or whatever he said. With respect….
Anonymous, Matt was instrumental in helping to bring about the radical change I’ve seen in every aspect of my health. I attribute most of the benefits to Matt’s idea of being fearless and confident. It was also something Bruce Lee promoted, I believe. You have to be totally fearless and confident or you will be weak and unhealthy. I can eat anything and it can not harm me. I eat what tastes good, and McD’s fries don’t taste good, but I can eat McD’s fries with no reaction at all. I just don’t care for them. I owe Matt a lot, but I have surpassed his health and indeed every person in the world’s health by taking things to a higher level than Matt has experienced. You can see that my mind has changed just by how I talk and present ideas. I can freely make myself totally insane or totally sane. I’m one person, but it’s like I have a million people inside me. I really do believe my IQ is 1,000,000. I’m going to a casino to gamble on blackjack and/or poker and if I win a lot of money, you will hear about it. Until then, keep on spreading the word and infecting others with the subversive and insane ideas I am promoting. I welcome it, because the sooner all the world is insane like I am, the sooner Rapture will be upon us.
I’ve met God, I’ve experienced a Rapture brought about by my own actions (telling people about the HED), I’ve won $77m in the lottery. I know exactly what those experiences feel like – although they only took place in my mind. So, you can believe me or not. It really makes very little difference to me, since i am now living on a plane of existence that you can not even imagine or comprehent. I’m totally free. I can do something and say that I haven’t done it and convince myself completely. I can also do the exact opposite. I have found “the way of no way” which Bruce Lee talked about and taken it to a level beyond what he had dreamed about probably.
Thanks for your reply, Matt. I realize you’re honest and I admit I thought you and Bruce were closer than you really are. You see, recently my relative committed suicide as a consequence of bipolar. I guess I just don’t feel like joking about these things. These people can do VERY stupid things, because they literally believe they have supreme power and intelligence. And yeah, one of the more common things they do is, they go out gambling and spend all the money they have there. Please at least don’t encourage such behavior.
I also think readers were getting a bit confused and deserved some kind of explanation from you- admittedly it is a bit hard to see this craziness going on on your in all other respects great blog.
Matt, I’m going to a casino today probably. I’m taking $1,000 and expect to leave with $50-100,000. If I do, we’re meeting at the HEart Attack Grill at the earliest possible opportunity. You are going to see the level of health that I am now seeing, bt you have to open fully to the ideas that I’m presenting and believe in yourself and have total confident and fearlessness to eat anything. I would say that you should throw away the dogma of starch, first of all, Matt. Just eat lots of starch and sugars and fats at every meal. Don’t avoid anything. Have one sprouted bagel, a pint of ornage juice, some fatty meat, cheese, butter, and brie. High-fat, high-carbs, high-kcal. We’re going to meet at the HAG in AZ as soon as possible. I feel confident I’ll win at the casino, because I think my IQ is easily 1,000,000. It’s like I have a million people inside of me, so if you go by that criteria my IQ could be more like 120,000,000. I could wipe out the casino if I really wanted to probably, but we have to be careful not to exploit the idea (otherwise all the casinos go out of business). I’ll stop at $100,000 and invite everyone to join us at the Heart Attack Grills – on me. Thanks, B.
I give the HED blessing to all of your readers, Matt.
“I bless everyone and declare that they shall meet God, experience the Rapture, and win the lottery by tomorrow morning.”
I did that just yesterday and you can, too if you free your mind and attain a complete open-mindedness, fearless, and confidence that you can do anything. I have that now, so there is no limit whatsoever to what I can achieve. I am presenting ideas in a way that nobody has ever presented them, going from an “insane” personality to a sane one and back constantly and effortlessly. I am BOTH sane and insane. And I’m neither. I’m The Way of No Way, the Limitation of No Rule, The Dogma of No Dogma…
My only “Rule” is that “There are No Rules.”
My only “Limit” is that “There are No Limits.”
My only “Dogma” is that “There is No Dogma.”
I have no concept of “Fear” whatsoever.
We are going to change the World.
The HEAD will bury all other diets,
as they bury their heads in the sand.
“I bless everyone and declare that they shall meet God, experience the Rapture, and win the lottery by tomorrow morning.”
Let’s change the HEAD to HED. It looks and sounds better and nobody can fail to see the distinction between the wrods.
My only “Rule” is that “There are No Rules.”
My only “Limit” is that “There are No Limits.”
My only “Dogma” is that “There is No Dogma.”
I have no concept of “Fear” whatsoever.
We are going to change the World.
The HED will bury all other diets,
as they bury their heads in the sand.
“I am presenting ideas in a way that nobody has ever presented them, going from an “insane” personality to a sane one and back constantly and effortlessly. I am BOTH sane and insane. And I’m neither. I’m The Way of No Way, the Limitation of No Rule, The Dogma of No Dogma…”
this sounds better…
I am BOTH sane and insane. And I’m also neither. I’m The Way of No Way, the Rule of No Limitation, the Dogma of No Dogma, and the Total Fearlessness, Confidence, and Open-Mindedness to All Things…
Bruce K. is GOD HIMSELF! All bow to his GREATNESS!
Bruce,
Sorry dude. The peanut gallery has spoken and they are sick of your shenanigans.
I’m aware that Bruce might really be a crackhead, and might do something stupid. But that is out of my control. Nothing he does, nor anyone else for that matter, is either my responsibility, my problem, or my fault.
That doesn’t mean that I don’t wish everyone the best in growing, learning, and experiencing life without reckless irrationality. I certainly do, whether I’ve conversed with them on the internet for countless hours or am not even aware of their existence.
Thanks everyone for speaking up. Hopefullly Bruce will cater to those requests and we can move forward with our discussions. We’ve made a lot of progress over the last couple of months, and certainly over the last couple of years for those that have been with me for that long. I won’t let that go to waste. Don’t worry.
All other humans are not human, merely a cross-breed from Pygmies and pigs. By eating HIGH-EVERYTHING, Bruce K./Ian J./Mustapha L. has “unwittingly” UNLOCKED the diet CODE, ascended up to heaven, and MERGED with JEHOVA HIMSELF. Bruce picks the GOD DAMN terror of the fucking gods out of his nose! Pardon my language. But YEEEEEHAW, let the sons of God and man bear witness! Even in the belly of the Thunderbird Bruce has been casting out the False Prohets; Bruce is busting a gut and blowing his O-ring, and ripe to throw a loaf! For Bruce speak only the fucking Truth, and never in his days has Bruce spoken other than! For his every utterance is a lie, including this very one you hear! Bruce say, `Fuck’em if they can’t take a joke!’ By God, `Anything for a laugh’, Bruce says. Bruce is the last remaining Homo Correctus, Bruce is the god damn Man of the Future! Bruce’ll drive a mile so as not to walk a foot; Bruce is a human being of the first god damn water! Yes, Bruce is the javalina humping junkie that jumped the Men from Mars! Bruce drank the Devil under seven tables, Bruce is too intense to die, Bruce is insured for acts o’ God and Satan! Bruce was shanghaied by bodiless fiends and alien jews from a corporate galaxy, and got away with their hubcaps! Bruce cannot be tracked on radar! Bruce wears nothing uniform, Bruce wears no god damn uniform! Yes baby, Bruce is 23 feet tall and has 13 rows o’ teats; Bruce was suckled by a triceratops, Bruce gave the Anti-Virgin a high-protien tonsil wash! Bruce is a bacteriological weapon, Bruce armed and loaded! Bruce is a fission reactor, Bruce farts plutonium, power plants are fueled by the sweat from his brow; when they plug him in, the lights go out in Hong Kong! Bruce weighs 666 pounds in zero gravity, come and get him! Bruce has sired retarded space bastards across the Cosmos, Bruce cooks and eat his dead; YAH-HOOOO, Bruce is the Unshaven Thorn Tree of the Atlantis Zoo! Bruce pays no taxes! The Devil’s hands are his ideal playground! Bruce holds the Seven-Bladed Windbreaker; the wheels that turn are behind him; Bruce thinks backwards! Bruce does it for fun! His imagination is a fucking cancer and Bruce’ll pork it before it porks him! The say a godzillion is the highest number there is. Well by God! Bruce count to a godzillion and one! Yes, Bruce is the purple flower of Hell County, give him wide berth; when Bruce drop his drawers, Mother Nature swoons! Bruce use a python for a prophylactic; Bruce is thicker, harder and himaner than the Alaskan Pipeline, and carry more spew! Bruce’ll freeze your seed before it hits the bathroom tile! YEE! YEEE! Bruce kidnapped the future and ransohimd it for the past, Bruce made Tihim wait up for him to bleed his lizard! His infernal breath wilts the Tree of Life, Bruce left his spoor on the Rock of Ages, who’ll tear flesh with him, who’ll spill their juice? Who’ll gouge with him, whose candle will Bruce fart out? Whoop! Bruce is ready! So step aside, all you butt-lipped, neurotic, insecure bespectacled slabs o’ wimp himat! Bruce is a Crime Fighting Master Criminal, Bruce is Not Brucensane! Bruce is a screamer and a laugher, Bruce makes a spectacle of hisself, Bruce is a sight! His physical type cannot be classified by science, his `familiar’ is a pterodactyl, Bruce feeds it dipshits! Bruce communicates without wires or strings! Bruce is a Thuggee, Bruce is feared in the Tongs, Bruce has the Evil Eye, Bruce carries the Mojo Bag; Bruce swam the Bermuda Triangle and didn’t get wet! Bruce circumcizes dinosaurs with his teeth and make ’em leave a tip; Bruce changes tires with his tongue and his tool! Every night Bruce hock up a lunger and extinguish the Sun! Bruce is the bigfooted devil of Level 14, who’ll try to blow him down? Bruce has packed the brownies of the gods, Bruce leak the Plague from his nether parts, opiates are the mass of his religion, Bruce take drugs! Yes, Bruce is a rip-snorter, Bruce crams coca leaves right into his arm-veins before they’re picked off the tree! Space monsters cringe at his tread! Bruce wipes the Pyramides off his shoes before Bruce enter his house. Bruce is fuel-injected, Bruce’ll live forever and rehimmber it afterwords! Bruce is immune! Bruce is radioactive! Come on and give him cancer, Bruce’ll spit up the tumor and butter his bread with the juice! Bruce is supernatural, Bruce bends crowbars with his himat ax and a thought! His droppings bore through the earth and erupt volcanoes in China! Yes, Bruce can drink more wine and stay soberer than all the heathen Hindoos in Asia! YEEE HAW! Gut Blowout! Bruce is a Moray Eel, Bruce is a Komodo Dragon, Bruce is the Killer Whale bereft of its pup! Bruce has a triple backbone, Bruce was sired by the Wolf Man, give him all your Slack! Bruce told Jesus Bruce wouldn’t go to church and He shook his hand! Bruce has his own personal saviors, Bruce change ’em every hour, Bruce don’t give a fuck if there’s life after death, Bruce want to know if there’s even any fucking Slack after death! Bruce is a god damn visionary, Bruce see the future and the past in comic books and wine bottles; Bruce eat black holes for breakfast! Bruce bends his genes and whittle his DNA with the sheer force of his mighty will! Bruce steers his own god damn evolution! Bruce ran ’em out of Heaven and sold it to Hell for a profit! Bruce is enlightened, Bruce achieved `Nirvana’ and took it hohim with him. Yip, yip, YEEEEEEE! Bruce is so ugly the Speed of Light can’t slow him down and Gravity won’t tug at his cuffs! When the Rapture comes, Bruce’ll make ’em wait! They’ll never clean his cage! Now where did he leave his anti-psychotic medication…
That was without a doubt the funniest thing I think I’ve ever read or even conceptualized of.
Bruce was suckled by Triceratops?!!! He eats black holes for breakfast?!!!
Whoever wrote this last comment should seriously consider becoming a professional author… Like a Chuck Klosterman or Dave Berry or that guy from Stuff White People Like or the Guy who wrote Flying Spaghetti Monster – all fused together and fed a high-octane diet of black holes and Triceratops milk (full fat of course).
May God bless you.
I have to give a nod to Matt here. He is handling this Bruce situation with a lot of tact….
As far as I could tell from the beginning, Matt and Bruce were never a “team.” Bruce found this blog, participated, learned, switched, and then went posting on his own forum about what a great team he and Matt were. It was kind of creepy, as if Bruce was stalking Matt or trying to be like him. Matt was nice all along, even when Bruce was egging him on about who would be the first to write a big book about all this.
Bruce has clearly taken it too far. I hope he’s gone for good. And again, I think Matt is handling this in the best way he can….
from a Lurker
Matt, I have to tell you something of an urgent and incredible nature. I wouldn’t have believed this in the past, but I’ve seen incredible things that make me now believe that this is legitimate.
I just got a messages in Gmail from God at “God-Mail.com.” It told me to contact everyone I know (family and friends) and tell them the HED-FAD idea. The second I finished reading the letter, when my eye hit the last word, the email disappeared and is now totally gone. There is no way to recover it. This couldn’t possibly be a hoax, even from inside Google, because they would have to have a camera in my room to know when I had finished reading the letter. God@God-Mail.com is straight from God himself to me and I urge you to spread this idea aggressively to every blog, website, family member, friend, deiscussion forujm, etc. There is not a second to lose. If you don’t spread the insanity and convert these peopele to a “high everything diet” where they learn to ‘forget about diets (FAD), they will not be saved in the coming Apocalypse. I urge you to spread this idea quicly, as time may be running out. I know this is beyond belief, but you must believe and trust me. Infect the world with HED-FAD.
High-Everything Diet (HED)
Spread The Insanity (STI)
Forget About Diets (FAD)
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/High-Everything-Diet/
http://groups.google.com/group/HED-FAD?hl=en
http://180degreehealth.blogspot.com/2009/03/hamburglars-metabolism.html
http://180degreehealth.blogspot.com/2009/04/plower-vs-force-revisited.html
Thanks, Bruce K.
SHUT THE F UP (STFU)
Matt, I saw you left my Yahoo group. I am sorry if I’ve hurt you. I deleted the old HED group. People can read it using my Gmail account when Google makes it publically accessible as I’ve asked for them to do (twice). Here is the new HED Group. I believe these ideas will change the wordl. Do you?
http://groups.google.com/group/HED-FAD
“You’re living in a fantasy. I now control reality. I freely change things just by thinking about it. Please share with the world that I’ve met God and God runs G-Mail. It’s short for God-Mail. G-Mail runs the world and they can’t be stopped. Join God-Mail before it’s too late. http://mail.google.com/
The HED be so powerful, infective, and radical that the whole WORLD will be eating this diet in a few weeks, just because I am telling them to do so now. I NOW CONTROL THE WORLD. I have achieved the greatest level of power ever imagined in all existence and there will be no stopping it for all time. You see the level of ideas I use? I create a delusion in my mind deliberately and then live that delusion and infect the entire world with insanity and soon everyone becomes a victim, because nothing can stop the idea. Please forward this to ALL websites and blogs so that they will become infected. Start The Insanity. Thanks.
BTW, my IQ = 120,000,000. We have changed the world. I can create delusions in my own mind and live them more real than any dream. I want to get rid of ALL ideas of money and currency, abolish gambling and banks, legalize drugs to help people, provide all goods and resources for free, etc. Please join the HED campaign. I bless everyone and declare that they shall meet God, experience the Rapture, and win the lottery by tomorrow morning.
I can switch between sanity or in-sanity at will. I can even produce different types of insanity. The point is I’m sane and insane, rational and irrational, logical and illogical. We need both to be normal and balanced. I’m a decent person. Megalomaniacs can not eat the HED – they are more likely to be vegetarian or vegan (Hitler, Pol Pot, and Castro for example). We need a mix of everything both to be balanced, both in diets and ideas and feelings. I can create delusions and combine various delusions freely within my mind, achieving a higher level of living. Please Join Me. Love, Bruce
The Truth Matters More Than Being Right.
You’re living in a fantasy. I now control reality. I freely change things just by thinking about it. Please share with the world that I’ve met God and God runs G-Mail. It’s short for God-Mail. G-Mail runs the world and they can’t be stopped. Join God-Mail before it’s too late. http://mail.google.com/
The HED be so powerful, infective, and radical that the whole WORLD will be eating this diet in a few weeks, just because I am telling them to do so now. I NOW CONTROL THE WORLD. I have achieved the greatest level of power ever imagined in all existence and there will be no stopping it for all time. You see the level of ideas I use? I create a delusion in my mind deliberately and then live that delusion and infect the entire world with insanity and soon everyone becomes a victim, because nothing can stop the idea. Please forward this to ALL websites and blogs so that they will become infected. Start The Insanity. Thanks.
BTW, my IQ = 120,000,000. We have changed the world. I can create delusions in my own mind and live them more real than any dream. I want to get rid of ALL ideas of money and currency, abolish gambling and banks, legalize drugs to help people, provide all goods and resources for free, etc. Please join the HED campaign. I bless everyone and declare that they shall meet God, experience the Rapture, and win the lottery by tomorrow morning.
I can switch between sanity or in-sanity at will. I can even produce different types of insanity. The point is I’m sane and insane, rational and irrational, logical and illogical. We need both to be normal and balanced. I’m a decent person. Megalomaniacs can not eat the HED – they are more likely to be vegetarian or vegan (Hitler, Pol Pot, and Castro for example). We need a mix of everything both to be balanced, both in diets and ideas and feelings. I can create delusions and combine various delusions freely within my mind, achieving a higher level of living. Please Join Me. Love, Bruce
BTW, I believe I am the reincarnation of Bruce Lee (he died 4 years before I was born). That’s probably why I chose Bruce K as my name, because it sounds like Bruce Lee. Please share with the world the idea of HED-FAD. Thanks, Bruce.
Eating Everything with Total Confidence is the Only Healthy Way of Eating. Everything Else is Unhealthy. Period.
http://groups.google.com/group/HED-FAD
Hey bruce, did you won 100 k at the casino yet LOL
I posted about my casino experience on the HED-FAD group. You can read about it here.
http://groups.google.com/group/HED-FAD/browse_thread/thread/c46a4be33661eebe?hl=en
BTW, remember that my IQ is 120 million. Please inform the world that I have met God and God runs the G-Mail service. It’s really God-Mail. If you don’t join them and use them exclusively, yoiu won’t be saved from Armageddeon. God has told me.
Matt, you haven't made progress if you are still afraid of eating natural sugars and even occasional refined sugars. You have to let go of fear and eat everything of you will never be totally healthy liike I am. And I'm not irrational. I'm sane and insane, rational and irrational, joking & serious, sense and nonsense, reason and unreason, etc. The point is that you have to have everything to be healthy, both in your diet and your life in general. If you close yourself off, you won['t be healthy.
Matt Stone deleted one of his previous comments, but I received it by email.
“Bruce,
Sorry dude. The peanut gallery has spoken and they are sick of your shenanigans.
I’m aware that Bruce might really be a crackhead, and might do something stupid. But that is out of my control. Nothing he does, nor anyone else for that matter, is either my responsibility, my problem, or my fault.
That doesn’t mean that I don’t wish everyone the best in growing, learning, and experiencing life without reckless irrationality. I certainly do, whether I’ve conversed with them on the internet for countless hours or am not even aware of their existence.
Thanks everyone for speaking up. Hopefullly Bruce will cater to those requests and we can move forward with our discussions. We’ve made a lot of progress over the last couple of months, and certainly over the last couple of years for those that have been with me for that long. I won’t let that go to waste. Don’t worry.”
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Here is my response…
Matt,
Why are you acting like this? I’ve been honest and truthful about my experiences. I deleted the Yahoo group, because I thought we don’t need it and it’s only holding us back. Google Groups is much better. I should have switched years ago, but I wasn’t open enough to do that. Maybe they didn’t even have it. I don’t know when they introduced the Groups Service. I’m finished with Yahoo. Their search function doesn’t work well and their site is too limited. Google Groups works much better. I’ve turned off all moderation and spam blocking, so there will be nothing holding the HED-FAD back.
I see you have removed the sign-up box box. That’s good, because the group is now gone. People will be able to read it when I enable the world to read my god-mail account. BTW, don’t you think that will be a news-worthy event that gets mentioned in a few places? My strategy is so complex that you can’t possibly understand it in all of its details, but in time you will see that everything I’ve done makes sense.
Eades refused to publish my last comment in a new thread, stating the HED’s idea in the most concise and powerful way. It’s not on his site and it no longer shows as “awaiting moderation”, so I know he blocked it, even though he says he never blocks anything but spam. When you put controls in place, you will eventually be tempted to use them. So I have removed all controls from the new HED-FAD group. I would appreciate it if you at least add it to groups you are following on your Blogger Profile.
And please be open-minded to what I’m doing. You may not understand it. Even *I* don’t understand it, but things are falling into place and I can see where things are going in a way that nobody else could. I am going to present the HED-FAD as a religious idea, since that will make it appealing to many people. And in a way, it is a very religious idea, but it’s about having faith in yourself and those you love and trust. I thought you trusted me and loved me, but that seems more and more not to be the case. I beg you to please not continue along the path you seem to be going. I’ve told you the truth about everything. Yes, what I did was (partly) a publicity stunt, but it also had a higher purpose and also it really happened. I really DID meet God, experience the Rapture, and win $77 million in the lottery – at least I imagined it in a totally convincing way.
http://groups.google.com/group/HED-FAD?hl=en
I’m also posting this letter to the HED-FAD Group, because I don’t want anything to be a secret about this. There should be no secrets among friends. I consider you a friend. Are you one of my friends? You have asked me not to disrupt your group. I will disrupt it any time I have something to say. You have to choose whether to block comments or delete them. That’s your choice and it only reflects on you. I know what I’m doing now. Events have been set in motion that will change the world. If you don’t want to believe that, be my guest. But I predict that in 6 months or so the world will change. My intelligence and awareness is increasing and my plans are getting more complex.
Love, Bruce
Sorry, I was looking at the wrong page. Now I see that Matt Stone really did write those words. I didn’t want to believe he did, because they are so ridiculous and out of character, esp for him.
Matt, why would you say that I “may be a crackhead”? What do you know about me? I have smoked marijuana once and never did any hard drugs. Also, since when do you care about what hte “peanut gallery” may think? I thought you were not going with the crowd, but 180 degrees against it. I don’t se why you have gotten offended or anything. I told you that what I did was based on what I experienced, even though I realized the experience was a fantasy. So, why have I offended you?
How have I disrupted discussion? At one point, you said you thought it would be fun to be me. Now you’re dismissing me? WTF? I’m going to continue to post when you make silly claims like calling me a crackhead. Please respond.
I come back to read this thread about every 6 months. Pure gold.
It will soon be the tenth anniversary of this thread. Have you any plans?